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More like civilised people know theatre when they see it. Muslims don't know window dressing from the price tag.
Firstly not all Jews, Christians or Muslims even read the bad bits, so are unaware of them, or if they are aware they interpret them differently, or even if they believe them 100% they still might lack the guts to carry out an attack.
Mass shootings in the US ?
More like civilised people know theatre when they see it. Muslims don't know window dressing from the price tag.
I'm sure we all think consciously that they can. But if the unconscious part of our brain (the part that contains any repressed trauma, mental complexes etc.) is significantly influencing the decision making process then it seems to me that we can be often unaware of the real reasons for our actions. In this case I can consciously 'rationalise' a reason for doing something, when really my actions are being driven by something deep inside my mind. Because of the past trauma the brain disguises this reason as something more pleasurable (ie. a glorious crusade to gain access to heaven), when really they're just scared to death of doing the wrong thing because they were beaten by their father as a kid or something.So Ves, are you saying you don't think religious teachings can alter what a person considers right and wrong?
when really my actions are being driven by something deep inside my mind.
Yes, obviously.
Muslims would pray five times a time, and during each and every of those times, they'd be thinking of whether they ought to beat their many wives first, or abuse their children second, or go write bad things about the way Christians and the West live their life... then go out to take on the US and its militaries.
Good thing those bases are in their backyards too. Save them from having to pretend to be refugees; or buy a ticket.
Yes, such as brainwashing from early childhood.
As Steve Weinberg, the Nobel laureate in Physics, eloquently put it: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
Yes if they were good people they would embrace Christianity if they must have a deity overlording them.
I'm sure we all think consciously that they can. But if the unconscious part of our brain (the part that contains any repressed trauma, mental complexes etc.) is significantly influencing the decision making process then it seems to me that we can be often unaware of the real reasons for our actions. In this case I can consciously 'rationalise' a reason for doing something, when really my actions are being driven by something deep inside my mind. Because of the past trauma the brain disguises this reason as something more pleasurable (ie. a glorious crusade to gain access to heaven), when really they're just scared to death of doing the wrong thing because they were beaten by their father as a kid or something.
Do you think all of the people involved in dropping the nukes on Japan were not just doing what they thought was right, but were instead acting because of some repressed trauma or mental complex? I mean lots a lot of people, eg designers, engineers, flight crews, chain of command who sign off on it etc
I would put it to you that when deciding to commit an act of extreme violence, there is not much difference in thought process between a guy deciding that the right thing to do is drop a nuclear bomb on Japan to end a war, and a guy deciding to do a suicide bomb in what he sees as a struggle between good and evil, it's just that the guy doing it for religious reasons has had his world view warped by religion, but it feels very real to him, they believe there is a real cause they are fighting for, but it's not real.
It's more complicated than my posts of course. It's not just trauma and mental complexes that are repressed in the unconscious it's also primitive 'animalistic' survival instincts (aggression in particular).Do you think all of the people involved in dropping the nukes on Japan were not just doing what they thought was right, but were instead acting because of some repressed trauma or mental complex? I mean lots a lot of people, eg designers, engineers, flight crews, chain of command who sign off on it etc
I would put it to you that when deciding to commit an act of extreme violence, there is not much difference in thought process between a guy deciding that the right thing to do is drop a nuclear bomb on Japan to end a war, and a guy deciding to do a suicide bomb in what he sees as a struggle between good and evil, it's just that the guy doing it for religious reasons has had his world view warped by religion, but it feels very real to him, they believe there is a real cause they are fighting for, but it's not real.
Value Collector said:I would put it to you that when deciding to commit an act of extreme violence, there is not much difference in thought process between a guy deciding that the right thing to do is drop a nuclear bomb on Japan to end a war, and a guy deciding to do a suicide bomb in what he sees as a struggle between good and evil, it's just that the guy doing it for religious reasons has had his world view warped by religion, but it feels very real to him, they believe there is a real cause they are fighting for, but it's not real.
Personally I think dropping 2 atomic bombs on civilians was the wrong thing to do, but I can see that the people who made that decision based it on a rational thought process that it would save many more lives if it forced Japan to surrender.
The Allies had already been through a bloody invasion of Europe and wanted to avoid a repeat in Japan.
A terrorist though is irrational, because killing a few people is not going to change anything as far as global politics go. The West will simply use acts of terror to justify their current platitudes that terrorism must be wiped out. The terrorist cannot see that and therefore bases his actions simply on revenge or what the scriptures tell him. So therefore religion denies a rational thought process and appeals to the emotional belief of what is right or wrong.
Not that having emotions is wrong, it's part of the human makeup, but to completely exclude rational thought and let emotions reign is dangerous.
What make you think all terrorist believe in Allah and does it because Allah somehow tells them to?
How did the Arabs fought war against the Romans before Islam? How did the Persians thought to invade the Greek states?
Beats me, please enlighten me.
How about if they drop a few tonnes of bombs here, there, everywhere around you? They're the good guys and meant well to have come all that way into your land, so that's cool?
Saudi Arabia has formed an alliance of 34 Muslim nations to fight ISIS and tackle 'the Islamic world's problem with terrorism'.
The Saudi-led coalition, which will be based in Riyadh, includes powerful gulf states Egypt and Turkey but excludes Iran.
Alliance members from the Middle East, Africa and Asia will work from the capital 'to coordinate and support military operations to fight terrorism', according to the SPA state news agency.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-anti-terrorist-coalition.html#ixzz4ZGzxGFCf
It's not just trauma and mental complexes that are repressed in the unconscious it's also primitive 'animalistic' survival instincts (aggression in particular).
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A terrorist though is irrational, because killing a few people is not going to change anything as far as global politics go. The West will simply use acts of terror to justify their current platitudes that terrorism must be wiped out. The terrorist cannot see that and therefore bases his actions simply on revenge or what the scriptures tell him. So therefore religion denies a rational thought process and appeals to the emotional belief of what is right or wrong.
Not that having emotions is wrong, it's part of the human makeup, but to completely exclude rational thought and let emotions reign is dangerous.
if you believe you can fly, its totally rational to jump of a building, and if you believe there is a god, and he wants you to kill the infidels and he will reward you with eternal bliss, its totally rational to do that.
As has been pointed out before the West is assisting Muslim countries in the area to get rid of ISIS.
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