Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[qldfrog]

nothing to do with Islam

If taking lessons from Europe on how to handle the non-problem, we will end up in the same way as they are;

 

[Tink]

Really sad to see.

Everything they are doing in Melbourne, this Labor/Greens, regarding stopping Christmas, the songs etc.
Never thought I would see this in this country.

Now we have bombing....

 

[noco]

Really sad to see.

Everything they are doing in Melbourne, this Labor/Greens, regarding stopping Christmas, the songs etc.
Never thought I would see this in this country.

Now we have bombing....

This all a part of the Fabian plot to destroy our way of life and what we believe in.....They are anti Christian.

 

[luutzu]

This all a part of the Fabian plot to destroy our way of life and what we believe in.....They are anti Christian.

Most Christians are anti-Christian value. Same with any other people of any other religion.

People take out of religion what they like to take out of them.

Would Jesus condone money, greed and bankers? Would Jesus accept refugees, teach his followers to serve his Father through helping others - be the good Samaritan and all that.

Even Pope Francis recently says that refugees are not the danger, that they are in danger.

So all those lessons and words are stupid, weak, leftist, commie nonsense?

Real Christian values is to rather kill 99.99% of innocent rather than let 1 terrorist get away? Yea, I think some King Herod had that same idea when some idiot told him a child born in that general direction will one day be King of Kings. Let's do what Jesus would and cleanse the city.

I'm not a Christian but I'm dam sure that if Jesus has anything worth gloating about, he'd be pretty freaking upset hearing some of the crap that's being done by "his people" in his name.

Maybe that's why he's not coming back.

 

[noco]

Most Christians are anti-Christian value. Same with any other people of any other religion.

People take out of religion what they like to take out of them.

Would Jesus condone money, greed and bankers? Would Jesus accept refugees, teach his followers to serve his Father through helping others - be the good Samaritan and all that.

Even Pope Francis recently says that refugees are not the danger, that they are in danger.

So all those lessons and words are stupid, weak, leftist, commie nonsense?

Real Christian values is to rather kill 99.99% of innocent rather than let 1 terrorist get away? Yea, I think some King Herod had that same idea when some idiot told him a child born in that general direction will one day be King of Kings. Let's do what Jesus would and cleanse the city.

I'm not a Christian but I'm dam sure that if Jesus has anything worth gloating about, he'd be pretty freaking upset hearing some of the crap that's being done by "his people" in his name.

Maybe that's why he's not coming back.

I have posted this link before and I will post it over and over again if I have to.

The influx of Muslims and the problems they are causing are over shadowed by the damage being done by the Fabians (Communists)......I know they hate being branded as Communists but they can no longer gloss it over.

http://www.cirnow.com.au/the-fabians-and-gillard/

Ever since Gough Whitlam took power, we have seen the Fabian fingerprint on everything successive Labor governments have done. It’s not just that they spend all the money so carefully built up by their opponents the LNP or its predecessors whenever they are in power. The Laborites have made sweeping changes to the social fabric of our country, whittled away little by little at our freedoms, and pushed us ever closer to the communist ideal of collectivism.

As well, we have been disarmed, a key element in the Fabian agenda. An unarmed citizenry is unable to face the overwhelming force at the disposal of a Fabian-led government. So far, they have not had to implement force against us. Over the decades they have perfected ways to strip our rights and subjugate us, until we have a population so used to being told how to behave and what to do that our citizens willingly accept the impositions a free people would never submit to.

It is well know Labor let our ADF slip to 1.8% of GDP the lowest since 1938.

I have already indicated on another post that Bill Shorten is a member of the Fabian Society along with most of the Greens and Labor MPs.

 

[luutzu]

I have posted this link before and I will post it over and over again if I have to.

The influx of Muslims and the problems they are causing are over shadowed by the damage being done by the Fabians (Communists)......I know they hate being branded as Communists but they can no longer gloss it over.

http://www.cirnow.com.au/the-fabians-and-gillard/

Ever since Gough Whitlam took power, we have seen the Fabian fingerprint on everything successive Labor governments have done. It’s not just that they spend all the money so carefully built up by their opponents the LNP or its predecessors whenever they are in power. The Laborites have made sweeping changes to the social fabric of our country, whittled away little by little at our freedoms, and pushed us ever closer to the communist ideal of collectivism.

As well, we have been disarmed, a key element in the Fabian agenda. An unarmed citizenry is unable to face the overwhelming force at the disposal of a Fabian-led government. So far, they have not had to implement force against us. Over the decades they have perfected ways to strip our rights and subjugate us, until we have a population so used to being told how to behave and what to do that our citizens willingly accept the impositions a free people would never submit to.

It is well know Labor let our ADF slip to 1.8% of GDP the lowest since 1938.

I have already indicated on another post that Bill Shorten is a member of the Fabian Society along with most of the Greens and Labor MPs.

One terrorist is one too many, but as we've discussed before, should the crime of any one person be blame on all people of similar race/religion/culture...

If Islam is evil and all its followers are terrorists, then all Muslim in Australia would be terrorist and would already be out there burning the place down.

Since they are not all committing act of terrorism, but all are Muslims and apparently read and follow everything the Koran says - much like all Christians and Buddhists read and follow the teachings of those holy books - it follow that maybe something else beside religion better explain their stupid criminal behaviour.

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A society have to have a balance between collectivism and complete "capitalistic" individualism.

There are certain things that ought to be done collectively - defence, education, healthcare, sewage and other utilities and infrastructure. Most everything else of minor importance ought to be left to the individual and their own enterprises.

Why in the world would anyone want to live in a country where they pay taxes and the gov't does nothing for them?

The only reason we're being sold that non-sense is because we're being lied to. Being tricked so that we plebs ought to pay our taxes but demand nothing; leaving those taxes for generous pay and pensions for public "servant" and more welfare for corporations and those who honestly believe they own the dam place.

I'm looking at biotech and pharmaceutical companies and so far, all of them are milking the nanny state like there's no need to pay benefits to the poor and the weak in our society.

 

[Bill M]

One terrorist is one too many, but as we've discussed before, should the crime of any one person be blame on all people of similar race/religion/culture...

Of course not, that's terrible. Each person should be treated on a case by case basis according to the law. Some of the neighbors of those that got rounded up today were Muslims also, that couldn't believe they had people like that living in their neighborhood.

Let me give you your first like, I like your posts.

 

[noco]

One terrorist is one too many, but as we've discussed before, should the crime of any one person be blame on all people of similar race/religion/culture...

If Islam is evil and all its followers are terrorists, then all Muslim in Australia would be terrorist and would already be out there burning the place down.

Since they are not all committing act of terrorism, but all are Muslims and apparently read and follow everything the Koran says - much like all Christians and Buddhists read and follow the teachings of those holy books - it follow that maybe something else beside religion better explain their stupid criminal behaviour.

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A society have to have a balance between collectivism and complete "capitalistic" individualism.

There are certain things that ought to be done collectively - defence, education, healthcare, sewage and other utilities and infrastructure. Most everything else of minor importance ought to be left to the individual and their own enterprises.

Why in the world would anyone want to live in a country where they pay taxes and the gov't does nothing for them?

The only reason we're being sold that non-sense is because we're being lied to. Being tricked so that we plebs ought to pay our taxes but demand nothing; leaving those taxes for generous pay and pensions for public "servant" and more welfare for corporations and those who honestly believe they own the dam place.

I'm looking at biotech and pharmaceutical companies and so far, all of them are milking the nanny state like there's no need to pay benefits to the poor and the weak in our society.

It is all about numbers with Islam......The increase in Muslims and the added number of Muslims being born here gives them more muscle .......The majority of Australians do not want an Islamic state nor do we want their ideology rammed down our throats...If they cannot accept our laws and our way of life then deport them back to their own country if that is the way they want to live.

Putting Muslims aside, our biggest threat is that of Communism...The sooner Australia wakes up to this bigger threat the better.

 

[luutzu]

Of course not, that's terrible. Each person should be treated on a case by case basis according to the law. Some of the neighbors of those that got rounded up today were Muslims also, that couldn't believe they had people like that living in their neighborhood.

Let me give you your first like, I like your posts.

Thanks Bill.

Given my friends and neighbours and the upbringing, the ideals of multicultural Australia is actually quite accurate. There are cultural differences, but those are very minor and quite superficial when it comes down to it.

 

[luutzu]

It is all about numbers with Islam......The increase in Muslims and the added number of Muslims being born here gives them more muscle .......The majority of Australians do not want an Islamic state nor do we want their ideology rammed down our throats...If they cannot accept our laws and our way of life then deport them back to their own country if that is the way they want to live.

Putting Muslims aside, our biggest threat is that of Communism...The sooner Australia wakes up to this bigger threat the better.

Not really. The get any political influence, the Muslims will have to get rich first - all of them. But the problem with filthy rich people is that, in general, they do not see anything wrong with the world and so would not have time to imagine how a system that serves them so well could possibly need any changing.

That and we don't actually live in a democracy. Not one that serve the interest of the many anyway.

If we were truly a democracy, you'd see millionaires and billionaires jumping up and down at every budget. Crying at how they're made poorer and the tax system and social programmes are neglecting them and favour the poor. OK, bad example as they do that anyway, but you get the idea.

 

[Tisme]

Ever since Gough Whitlam took power, we have seen the Fabian fingerprint on everything successive Labor governments have done.

You are aware that Menzies had a right hand adviser and Public Service builder in Dr Coombs who rec'd plaudits from none other than Harold Laski himself. The London School of Economics was a major driver throughout the world for the giant bureaucracies that soak around 1/4 of the GDP. Under Menzies the PS increased and became autocratic ... go figure.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I have read through this thread again, and as I started it, I should say something. Islam as a religion has a bad effect in my opinion on a greater percentage of it's adherents than other religions. In itself it is not inherently evil. Just bad. I wouldn't want any of my children or grandchildren taking to it.

 

[SirRumpole]

I have read through this thread again, and as I started it, I should say something. Islam as a religion has a bad effect in my opinion on a greater percentage of it's adherents than other religions. In itself it is not inherently evil. Just bad. I wouldn't want any of my children or grandchildren taking to it.

Trouble is a lot of it's devotees DO want their children and grandchildren following it so they indoctrinate the poor blighters, otherwise no one with a capability for rational thought would follow the cr@p.

 

[noco]

Trouble is a lot of it's devotees DO want their children and grandchildren following it so they indoctrinate the poor blighters, otherwise no one with a capability for rational thought would follow the cr@p.

Brain Washed more like it.

 

[luutzu]

I have read through this thread again, and as I started it, I should say something. Islam as a religion has a bad effect in my opinion on a greater percentage of it's adherents than other religions. In itself it is not inherently evil. Just bad. I wouldn't want any of my children or grandchildren taking to it.

Are other religion less bad? Name one.

Anyone who take any religion literally, follow its texts to the letter, listen and obey whatever its "leader" says... they will not be very nice to be around. Whether that is Islam, Christianity, Judaism... you name it.

Are Western/Christian countries wars and its various campaigns a Christian thing? Or just an Imperialism thing? Does the US droning whoever they deem to be terrorist a Christian value thing or just a job-creation thing?

So when Christian states commit wars and terror, that's not a Christian thing; But when Arabs and Muslims commit terror, it's definitely is an Islamic thing.

Logic and common sense just doesn't allow for that kind of bias.

Or take Israel and the Evangelical support for it. The entire project got its start from a couple of old books... carrying out God's promise; bringing back Christ so he'd end the world so that Christians can follow him to paradise. And this is not some ancient history...

Anyway

 

[luutzu]

Trouble is a lot of it's devotees DO want their children and grandchildren following it so they indoctrinate the poor blighters, otherwise no one with a capability for rational thought would follow the cr@p.

When the Islamic world was at its cultural/economic/political peak... it was still Islamic, right?

Now that its world are being liberated by loving foreign powers, sending its people either to pieces or otherwise scattered to the winds... is it because Islam that does it or because of war, terror and imperialism?

When the Christian kingdoms were living in huts and whipping themselves until they meet their Maker; when Christian states burn books, witches and whoever else they fancy... Christianity was the cause or was it merely some psychopath who proclaim themselves and their edict the embodiment of how Jesus was want it?

Again, as I've said it before... I know a lot of Christians... the good ones are good because they're generally good people. The psychos Catholics are so because they're just not brought up right. Got nothing to do with them going to Church.

 

[SirRumpole]

So when Christian states commit wars and terror, that's not a Christian thing; But when Arabs and Muslims commit terror, it's definitely is an Islamic thing.

Luu, you have missed the point again. There is no such thing as a "Christian State", churches are separate from governments in the West whereas in Muslim States the church IS the State.

Christians may be in positions of power in Western governments and they may act on what they believe their religion wants, but it's not compulsory and there would be atheists in the government that would balance this out. No such dissent is tolerated in Muslim States , it's a case of toe the Koran line or be executed.

 

[Tink]

Agree, Rumpole.

I have explained about the separation of Church and State, which was set up by Christians.
The laws were established.
Life and Liberty etc etc...

Also, so the State could not impose on the people, and cause tyranny.

 

[luutzu]

Luu, you have missed the point again. There is no such thing as a "Christian State", churches are separate from governments in the West whereas in Muslim States the church IS the State.

Christians may be in positions of power in Western governments and they may act on what they believe their religion wants, but it's not compulsory and there would be atheists in the government that would balance this out. No such dissent is tolerated in Muslim States , it's a case of toe the Koran line or be executed.

Tink and other Christians would disagree with you SirR, and they'd be right.

When politicians talk about them hating us for "our value", that we're sending our young over there to liberate and build and civilised them in the ways of democracy... that's PC for doing the Christian God's work.

But let say that the US and its allies' wars have nothing to do with Christianity (and I agree with you that it does not, not since WWI) why then do we believe that all acts of war by Arab/Islamic terrorists have everything to do with Islam?

Maybe people just don't like their country being overrun by invaders and terrorists. So they fight back.

And if we read a bit beyond our own mainstream media, there are more terrorism by ISIS, and other radicals, on their own soil. We can put that down to sectarian violence, or North/South or East/West when they're from the same sect... but it's not Islamic terror solely against Christianity and democracy.

Seriously, if we're honest with ourselves... do we really think we have the right to just go into somebody's home, hang their elders and enforce our own rules and values on them... and they're supposed to like it. But we're not even doing that nation-building crap, we just take their oil and play one group of theirs against the other.

 

[luutzu]

Agree, Rumpole.

I have explained about the separation of Church and State, which was set up by Christians.
The laws were established.
Life and Liberty etc etc...

Also, so the State could not impose on the people, and cause tyranny.

They teach you that at Sunday Schools?

The idea that Christians (the Church) voluntarily separate themselves from the State so that all citizens could enjoy freedom and liberty... that make as much sense as the Nobility, the Lords and Barons at Runnymede forcing the Magna Carta on King John so that all free men (plebs included) are free and have their property protected, have equal rights before the law.

Gays can't even have an equal marriage in most Western countries right now.

I guess some are more equal than others.