Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

luutzu · 21 July 2016

qldfrog said:
https://www.facebook.com/Frederic.Esnault01/videos/1019489478101283/
For people who can understand French, an interview of a cofounder of SOS racism (the key anti racism organisatio in france) so NOT a Far right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malek_Boutih , local MP in Paris suburbs talking about what has to be done and how France need to act now against the green plague!
If a son of migrants, arab, left wing MP start saying that maybe maybe it is time to wake up!

See qldfrog, give a migrant/refugee a few decades and they'll start beating on "not-genuine" refugees and barbarians too.

qldfrog · 21 July 2016

luutzu said:
See qldfrog, give a migrant/refugee a few decades and they'll start beating on "not-genuine" refugees and barbarians too.

if playing the dum you are really good; it does not fit well with your ideas that I can be against the invasion without being racist.Dum and dummer.In 1936, you would have been praising the athletic performance of the hitlerian youth and praise Chamberlain: no war, all good, what camps?

luutzu · 21 July 2016

qldfrog said:
if playing the dum you are really good; it does not fit well with your ideas that I can be against the invasion without being racist.Dum and dummer.In 1936, you would have been praising the athletic performance of the hitlerian youth and praise Chamberlain: no war, all good, what camps?

Speaking of the Nazi, some of their artworks.

Yes. They weren't racist. All they were doing was not liking the Jews for taking over their country, bankrupting it etc. etc.

What made you think people like me would praise Hitler and his Nazis? We're watching in horror a potential Hitler in Trump... and we're trying to "PC" these swipe against an entire people.

Did you ever hear or see any "leftist" running to defend Muslim terrorists? Did any peacenik and PC police go and say... yea innocents were killed but you all shut up because the murderer is a Muslim. Any lefty ever say that?

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Chamberlain we've discussed; so were my reading of the Koran...

Yea, there's nothing wrong or bad or evil in The Bible... it's all good. The Koran on the other hand - if you ignore the good parts in it and focus on the bat**** crazy bits, you'll see how evil it is.

Obviously all Christians ignore the bad bits in the Bibles; All Muslims ignore the good and take on all the bad.

I've pointed out to you that Europeans have had trillions of dollars taken from them by their very own representative... and your concern are Muslim refugees ruining European economies and stealing from them.

qldfrog · 21 July 2016

luutzu said:
so were my reading of the Koran...

Yea, there's nothing wrong or bad or evil in The Bible... it's all good. The Koran on the other hand - if you ignore the good parts in it and focus on the bat**** crazy bits, you'll see how evil it is.

Did you read the Koran? yes or no?
If you had, I doubt you could honestly write the above

luutzu · 21 July 2016

qldfrog said:
Did you read the Koran? yes or no?
If you had, I doubt you could honestly write the above

I read selections of it. Does that count?

Have also watched a documentary on it too.

This is insane qldfrog. While we all understand the anger given the attacks on France... it will not serve the innocents if we go the roads both ours and their "leaders" are taking us.

A country, a civilisation, a people, is not "great" and "civilised" just because "it is" or because its leaders says so.

Maybe a country is great and its people strong because of what it does, why it does it.

And no people could claim to be moral and just if they advocate positions that will harm innocent people. And people are innocent until they commit a crime. You can push that standard to the planning stage, but you cannot push it to the "look and smell like a terrorist" stage.

noco · 21 July 2016

This is a new kind of war between Islam and the West.

All wars are generally about world domination....The provokers of war aiming to force their ideology on to others or one wanting to relieve an over populated country or the jealousy of the economy of one country over another.

This current war is unconventional to previous wars and is based on infiltration, fear, intimidation and the killing of innocent men, women and children by what ever means the radical side of Islam can conjure up.,,The radical side are virtually the Muslim army, well trained and well disciplined.

The efforts of Islam have been thwarted over the past 1400 years and they will be defeated again.

I believe the West has at long last started to wake up as to how serious the Islamic movement has become but should have taken a more aggressive action 8 or 10 years ago...I hope it is not too late.

Whilst I believe Islam will be defeated, it will take some years to remove the pockets of cells planted in many parts of the world.

SirRumpole · 21 July 2016

noco said:
This is a new kind of war between Islam and the West.

All wars are generally about world domination....The provokers of war aiming to force their ideology on to others or one wanting to relieve an over populated country or the jealousy of the economy of one country over another.

This current war is unconventional to previous wars and is based on infiltration, fear, intimidation and the killing of innocent men, women and children by what ever means the radical side of Islam can conjure up.,,The radical side are virtually the Muslim army, well trained and well disciplined.

The efforts of Islam have been thwarted over the past 1400 years and they will be defeated again.

I believe the West has at long last started to wake up as to how serious the Islamic movement has become but should have taken a more aggressive action 8 or 10 years ago...I hope it is not too late.

Whilst I believe Islam will be defeated, it will take some years to remove the pockets of cells planted in many parts of the world.

I wouldn't consider that we are "at war" with the whole of Islam, just the radical elements of it.

Muslims have lived peacefully in this country for quite a while, but it does seem that the greater percentage of the population they are the more they feel emboldened to act. As such I would not like to see an increase in the proportion of Muslims in this country.

I don't think that public condemnation of the whole Islamic population eg by Hanson et al does any good at all. It just inflames the situation.

There needs to be good quality intelligence gathering behind the scenes by our security forces, including forming alliances with moderate Muslims (yes, I believe that there are such beings) so that we can continue to nip attacks in the bud and identify the radical elements.

All this chest thumping and flag waving by "patriots" only creates division even though they may say what a lot of people think. The saying " softly softly catchee monkey" is our best approach.

CanOz · 21 July 2016

SirRumpole said:
I wouldn't consider that we are "at war" with the whole of Islam, just the radical elements of it.

Muslims have lived peacefully in this country for quite a while, but it does seem that the greater percentage of the population they are the more they feel emboldened to act. As such I would not like to see an increase in the proportion of Muslims in this country.

I don't think that public condemnation of the whole Islamic population eg by Hanson et al does any good at all. It just inflames the situation.

There needs to be good quality intelligence gathering behind the scenes by our security forces, including forming alliances with moderate Muslims (yes, I believe that there are such beings) so that we can continue to nip attacks in the bud and identify the radical elements.

All this chest thumping and flag waving by "patriots" only creates division even though they may say what a lot of people think. The saying " softly softly catchee monkey" is our best approach.

Well said Rumpy

Noco, you'd be a prime Trump voter....

noco · 21 July 2016

SirRumpole said:
I wouldn't consider that we are "at war" with the whole of Islam, just the radical elements of it.

Muslims have lived peacefully in this country for quite a while, but it does seem that the greater percentage of the population they are the more they feel emboldened to act. As such I would not like to see an increase in the proportion of Muslims in this country.

I don't think that public condemnation of the whole Islamic population eg by Hanson et al does any good at all. It just inflames the situation.

There needs to be good quality intelligence gathering behind the scenes by our security forces, including forming alliances with moderate Muslims (yes, I believe that there are such beings) so that we can continue to nip attacks in the bud and identify the radical elements.

All this chest thumping and flag waving by "patriots" only creates division even though they may say what a lot of people think. The saying " softly softly catchee monkey" is our best approach.

I don't know what else you would call it if it is not war...Just a different kind of war

We have are civilians and we have have our Defense Force.

The Muslims have their "moderate " civilians and they have their army of radical Muslims doing all the dirty work on the streets where ever they be.

The majority of our non Muslim community also live peacefully.

Hanson wants us all to be as one Australian community and not divided. The Muslim community do not assimilate unlike other immigrants....
.So why are Muslims so different?...
Do they consider themselves superior to other Australians?..
Why do Muslims want their own Sharia laws introduced?...
Why do Muslims congregate in ghetto like communities as evident in western Sydney?..
Why are women allowed to wear the Burka?..
Why is it that some 80% of Muslims illegal immigrants are still on tax payer welfare?...
Why are Muslims having 6 times more children than Australian families?
Is it OK to brain wash Muslim kids in Muslims schools that if you are a Christian or an Infidel you should be eliminated if you do not convert to Islam....Doesn't this create hatred for those who are not a Muslim?
What are the moderate Muslims doing to control or convert their radical army?...They are very silent on this matter which makes one think that they condone the actions of their Radical Muslim Army.

As far as I am concerned the Muslims are inflaming their own down fall and you wonder why Pauline Hanson has gathered so much support......And the more she is ostracized by the left and the dogooders the more traction she will get....Do we have freedom of speech in Australia or not?

We currently have a case in the University of Queensland where white students were not allowed to use computers set aside for Aboriginal students....
Isn't this discrimination and should it be tolerated?
Does this not create division between black and white?

So what do we want in this great country of ours, a divided community of race and religion or a nation of equal rights and values?

smallwolf · 21 July 2016

Ahhh noco.... where to start?

I am also sure that google will provide answers your questions. eg see

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/why-do-muslim-women-wear-a-burka-niqab-or-hijab/5761510

but why does any one group of people live near each other in a foreign country? maybe, if they need help understanding the local customs they can ask people in their native language, because they have troubles with the new language. maybe they cannot afford a house on the northern shores?

one (or a few) bad apple(s) should not spoil the bunch?

qldfrog · 22 July 2016

SirRumpole said:
I wouldn't consider that we are "at war" with the whole of Islam, just the radical elements of it.

Muslims have lived peacefully in this country for quite a while, but it does seem that the greater percentage of the population they are the more they feel emboldened to act. As such I would not like to see an increase in the proportion of Muslims in this country.

I don't think that public condemnation of the whole Islamic population eg by Hanson et al does any good at all. It just inflames the situation.

There needs to be good quality intelligence gathering behind the scenes by our security forces, including forming alliances with moderate Muslims (yes, I believe that there are such beings) so that we can continue to nip attacks in the bud and identify the radical elements.

All this chest thumping and flag waving by "patriots" only creates division even though they may say what a lot of people think. The saying " softly softly catchee monkey" is our best approach.

Overall quite sensible SirRumpole, but one issue is Islam at its core is a warrior sect designed for nomadic raiding tribes with associated values;Raping, pillaging, domination and slavery
As such for any "true" believer: you, Luutzu, I and any women are worthless.
So the moderately believer in islam equates a fanatic christian nutter;
Never make the implicit error to compare islam to christiany on an even level as you start wrong footed.

Many muslims are as muslim as i am catholic: I enjoy christmas , they feat Ramadan; I have no issue with abortion, the pill or free sex, they drink beer sometimes and can enjoy music;
Do you feel the difference?
And as soon as the % of muslim increases, these loosely religious members of the community have no more choice and are forced back by the vocal minority: women end up in nihab, they can not openly drink, talk to women, etc etc
these muslims previously quite compatible with civilisation (I do not say our civilisation as in my opinion, Saudi arabia is barbary) end up back in the mass.
We should also note that this is a relatively new trend supported by Qatar and Saudia Arabia in less than 50y by setting up school and sending clerics all over the world to spread their backward view of islam: the salafi movement or salafism..
Places like Tunisia, Morroco, even Algeria and Syria used to be quite open, have sizeable christian and jew population living in relative harmony up iuntil the 1970-1980.This is over and if not muslim, you are out or dead.
In my opinion, salafism is the new facism, and as long as anyone fighting it is assimilated as anti muslim racist, we are doomed.
People are waking up at least in France even if too late and the do gooders in the fairies have learnt the hard way that maybe there is actually a thread and an enemy, and that fascism does not only equates national socialism.
So the left, while finding it hard to swallow discoverer that these lone wolf, like the nice killer were actually surprisingly well prepared and had a network and was not a converted in the morning, killer in the afternoon.

Hanson is simplistic but yes preventing all muslims entry is a solution: not the good one, but better than absence of response;
So for this country sake, if we do not want to end up with a Trump in power or the sharia law in 30 y; we 'd better start acting intelligently, have the open minded muslim behing honest a la Wally and do selective targetting/expulsion of clerics , closing of islamic schools altogether , and at the core doing a Sadam solution to Saudia Arabia and its clique.Then genuinely deserving people, muslim or not could be welcome in our mist.
I believe we still have a chance here in Oz, too late for the western part of Europe unless the muslim themselves wake up [and this can only happen if we pull the Saudis out so in nowadays world, if we get alternative energy to the Saudi oil]

luutzu · 22 July 2016

qldfrog said:
Overall quite sensible SirRumpole, but one issue is Islam at its core is a warrior sect designed for nomadic raiding tribes with associated values;Raping, pillaging, domination and slavery
As such for any "true" believer: you, Luutzu, I and any women are worthless.
So the moderately believer in islam equates a fanatic christian nutter;
Never make the implicit error to compare islam to christiany on an even level as you start wrong footed.

Many muslims are as muslim as i am catholic: I enjoy christmas , they feat Ramadan; I have no issue with abortion, the pill or free sex, they drink beer sometimes and can enjoy music;
Do you feel the difference?
And as soon as the % of muslim increases, these loosely religious members of the community have no more choice and are forced back by the vocal minority: women end up in nihab, they can not openly drink, talk to women, etc etc
these muslims previously quite compatible with civilisation (I do not say our civilisation as in my opinion, Saudi arabia is barbary) end up back in the mass.
We should also note that this is a relatively new trend supported by Qatar and Saudia Arabia in less than 50y by setting up school and sending clerics all over the world to spread their backward view of islam: the salafi movement or salafism..
Places like Tunisia, Morroco, even Algeria and Syria used to be quite open, have sizeable christian and jew population living in relative harmony up iuntil the 1970-1980.This is over and if not muslim, you are out or dead.
In my opinion, salafism is the new facism, and as long as anyone fighting it is assimilated as anti muslim racist, we are doomed.
People are waking up at least in France even if too late and the do gooders in the fairies have learnt the hard way that maybe there is actually a thread and an enemy, and that fascism does not only equates national socialism.
So the left, while finding it hard to swallow discoverer that these lone wolf, like the nice killer were actually surprisingly well prepared and had a network and was not a converted in the morning, killer in the afternoon.

Hanson is simplistic but yes preventing all muslims entry is a solution: not the good one, but better than absence of response;
So for this country sake, if we do not want to end up with a Trump in power or the sharia law in 30 y; we 'd better start acting intelligently, have the open minded muslim behing honest a la Wally and do selective targetting/expulsion of clerics , closing of islamic schools altogether , and at the core doing a Sadam solution to Saudia Arabia and its clique.Then genuinely deserving people, muslim or not could be welcome in our mist.
I believe we still have a chance here in Oz, too late for the western part of Europe unless the muslim themselves wake up [and this can only happen if we pull the Saudis out so in nowadays world, if we get alternative energy to the Saudi oil]

People are influenced by a whole bunch of factors - how they were raised, what they learn, friends and mentor, the environment etc. etc.

For Muslims, it is only the Koran. But not any and all part of the Koran - there are good bits in there, I've read those - But Muslims are only influenced by the baddest, evilist parts of the Koran. Full Stop.

Seriously?

How's the Christian or Jewish version? All good stuff, no crazy fairy tales like... like hating homosexuals; wanting the land of Israel to be populated only be Jews so that Rapture and Amargeddon would arrive (killing all of humanity and only a few Jew who convert to Christianity in time).

Yea, that kind of crazy bits in the civilised Christian/Judaeo countries were ignore and long forgotten. Right?
Have we not been reading the news?

How about the good bits? Like feeding the poor? Not be bankers and money changers? Do onto others they you wished them unto you?

As a society, Christian/Judaeo is all about that?

So maybe, just maybe, there are good people and there are azzholes. In every culture. Maybe.

Every other time when people believe in the superiority of their religion and their skin colour, a whole bunch of people got slaughtered and cleansed from the Earth.

Let's not do that again.

Tisme · 22 July 2016

Spare a thought for the miserable wretches who are raised/forced/brain washed into Islam.... It's no wonder they want blow themselves up and take a few infinitely smarter people with them for company in the afterlife.

noco · 22 July 2016

luutzu said:
People are influenced by a whole bunch of factors - how they were raised, what they learn, friends and mentor, the environment etc. etc.

For Muslims, it is only the Koran. But not any and all part of the Koran - there are good bits in there, I've read those - But Muslims are only influenced by the baddest, evilist parts of the Koran. Full Stop.

Seriously?

How's the Christian or Jewish version? All good stuff, no crazy fairy tales like... like hating homosexuals; wanting the land of Israel to be populated only be Jews so that Rapture and Amargeddon would arrive (killing all of humanity and only a few Jew who convert to Christianity in time).

Yea, that kind of crazy bits in the civilised Christian/Judaeo countries were ignore and long forgotten. Right?
Have we not been reading the news?

How about the good bits? Like feeding the poor? Not be bankers and money changers? Do onto others they you wished them unto you?

As a society, Christian/Judaeo is all about that?

So maybe, just maybe, there are good people and there are azzholes. In every culture. Maybe.

Every other time when people believe in the superiority of their religion and their skin colour, a whole bunch of people got slaughtered and cleansed from the Earth.

Let's not do that again.

And the Muslim kids are brainwashed with the Koran 5 times each day......If you are a Christian or an Infidel you do not deserve to be in this world and should be eliminated.

So when those kids become teenagers they then become radical Jihadists.

CanOz · 22 July 2016

noco said:
And the Muslim kids are brainwashed with the Koran 5 times each day......If you are a Christian or an Infidel you do not deserve to be in this world and should be eliminated.

So when those kids become teenagers they then become radical Jihadists.

There are like 1.5 billion Muslims in the world noco, are you saying they're all Jihadists?

luutzu · 22 July 2016

noco said:
And the Muslim kids are brainwashed with the Koran 5 times each day......If you are a Christian or an Infidel you do not deserve to be in this world and should be eliminated.

So when those kids become teenagers they then become radical Jihadists.

And you know that how?

Maybe they pray to their God to for good health, to keep their family safe from... all the love in the world.

Gotta give it to the warmongers... they know how to do their jobs right.

smallwolf · 22 July 2016

noco said:
And the Muslim kids are brainwashed with the Koran 5 times each day......If you are a Christian or an Infidel you do not deserve to be in this world and should be eliminated.

So when those kids become teenagers they then become radical Jihadists.

and Christians were to pray 3 times day (from the didache)

8:2 And do not pray like the hypocrites, but rather as the Lord commanded ....
8:3 Pray this three times each day

(source: http://www.paracletepress.com/didache.html)

but that never made it into the canon. I do not think that praying 5 times a day becomes brainwashing. They have a reason and purpose that we might not understand?

(and for the record ... the didache was discovered in 1883. so between the time of the canon and then it would have been a unknown document)

SirRumpole · 22 July 2016

smallwolf said:
but that never made it into the canon. I do not think that praying 5 times a day becomes brainwashing. They have a reason and purpose that we might not understand?

The reason is to maintain dedicated slaves to the religion.

Basically all religions are the same, rule by fear and un-questioning obedience.

smallwolf · 22 July 2016

SirRumpole said:
The reason is to maintain dedicated slaves to the religion.

Basically all religions are the same, rule by fear and un-questioning obedience.

off topic... but your statement makes all religions into cults.

basilio · 22 July 2016

CanOz said:
There are like 1.5 billion Muslims in the world noco, are you saying they're all Jihadists?

It's a worry... I believe we are creating our own monsters. The language of this thread which mirrors the likes of Pauline Hanson and the newly risen Nationalists scares me.

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