Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Value Collector]

I see the take offense at trifles industry is alive and well

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I find that meme kind of confusing.

When you think back to our "ancestors", Crimes such as Blasphemy were punishable by death, they obviously were not immune to being offended by words or images, and were far more likely to ban books etc or punish people for the use of swear words and the like.

 

[wayneL]

I find that meme kind of confusing.

When you think back to our "ancestors", Crimes such as Blasphemy were punishable by death, they obviously were not immune to being offended by words or images, and were far more likely to ban books etc or punish people for the use of swear words and the like.

Lets not confuse the message by introducing facts eh?

 

[luutzu]

Excelleng posts. You obviously have had good experience in working with people sociological l.

I was supposed to be a Psychologist but living in a Capitalist society does drew me to the dark side and so decided to waste my life and do nothing but move money around.

 

[luutzu]

Exactly Tisyou. Could not agree more.

Sifu, be careful agreeing with Tisme. You'd need to check whether he'd taken his medication for the day or not.

 

[luutzu]

Crims make a choice. Just like raising kids you give them the benefit of the doubt first time, apply some gravitas punishment the second time and third time WWIII erupts.

It's all well and good proposing we all take a equal share hit from the deliberate criminal behaviour of the few, but why should we stall our civilised pleasures because of the few ... that is what middle eastern, african and oriental peoples do and they are tragic examples of go nowhere cultures with the constant sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.

How many people need to be mugged, raped, permanently damaged and scarred before we are supposed to say that the tribe can no longer function and the poison must be removed? Of course you don't ask a social worker, that would require risking loss of job as the need dried up.

Oh, it's not the big guns and unabashed drive to civilised the coloured people that somehow made them the "nowhere" cultures losing their land, their oil, their assets... but gaining them warlords, generalisimos, terrorists, drones... all over their friendly skies?

Just to be fair, all cultures and civilisations does it, so don't feel too bad alright?

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Don't think I proposed anything. Was saying that being "tough" and being rational and effective are very different with those 3 strike rules.

In implementing such laws, politicians are playing politics with people's lives; repay their donors and friends very handsomely with constant stream of human feedstock to profit on; and society is no where safer than before.

As Hsun Tzu (I think, it's one of them Tzu) once said, it is the responsibility of Government to set good examples, the provide opportunities... so that the governed can walk the Way. To fail to provide opportunities, to impoverish the state and drive the People towards crimes... to then blame, punish and imprison them for it, that's messed up bro.

But I guess some would call it crime and punishment, Capitalist style. Where criminals bare all the responsibility but the gov't that is supposed to represent their interests and provide them with security... well the Masters is never at fault.

 

[bellenuit]

A sample of the evil thinking, opinions and actions from within Islam. Of course it all can be forgiven as it is all due to western support for Israel's actions in the Palestinian territories.


Islamic Scholar Riles Florida Community, Proposes ‘Compassionate’ Death for LGBT People (VIDEO)

http://brewminate.com/islamic-schol...es-compassionate-death-for-lgbt-people-video/

Saudi Arabia: Gang Rape Victim Sentenced to 200 Lashes & Six Months in Jail.

https://unitedhumanists.com/2016/04...00-lashes-six-months-in-jail-in-saudi-arabia/

.... and attitudes of Muslims based on the respected Pew Research.

 

[noco]

Subject: Fwd: U. S. Muslims and Trump
Most people are not aware of the facts stated below, therefore I am sharing this with all of you.
Here is something to think about, and why so many Americans support Donald Trump !!
(This information has all been checked, then double checked... it is 100% Correct.)
That's why there is such an alarm within US government, since Trump's statement about temporary suspension of migration of Muslims to US till US authorities make sure there is a proper concept of safe penetration of US territory.
People are stunned to learn that the head of the U.S. CIA is a Muslim!
Do hope this wakes up some!
You mean until it hits you like a ton of bricks read it again, until you understand!
We now have a Muslim government.
John Brennan, current head of the CIA converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia.
Obama's top adviser, Valerie Jarrett, is a Muslim who was born in Iran where her parents still live.
Hillary Clinton's top adviser, Huma Abedin is a Muslim, whose mother and brother are involved in the now outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for Homeland Security, Arif Aikhan, is a Muslim.
Homeland Security Adviser, Mohammed Elibiary, is a Muslim.
Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Salam al-Marayati, is a Muslim.
Obama's Sharia Czar, Imam Mohamed Magid, of the Islamic Society of North America is a Muslim..
Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships, Eboo Patel, is a Muslim.
1/13/15:?? Nancy Pelosi announced she will appoint Rep Andre Carson, D-Ind, as the first Muslim lawmaker on the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. It would make Carson the first Muslim to serve on the committee that receives intelligence on the threat of Islamic militants in the Middle East! He has suggested
that U.S. schools should be modeled after Islamic madrassas, where education is based on the Quran!!!
And last but not least, our closet Muslim himself, Barack Hussein Obama.
It's questionable if Obama ever officially took the oath of office when he was sworn in. He didn't repeat the oath properly to defend ournation and our Constitution. Later the Democrats claimed he was given the oath again in private.
CIA director John Brennan took his oath on a copy of the Constitution, not a Bible..??
Valarie Jarret wrote her college thesis on how she wanted to change America into a Muslim friendly nation and she is a Obama top advisor.
Congressman, Keith Ellison took his oath on a copy of the Qur'an.
Congresswoman Michele Bachman was vilified and verbally tarred and feathered by Democrats when she voiced her concern about Muslims taking over our government.
Considering all these appointments, it would explain why Obama and his minions are systematically destroying our nation, supporting radical Muslim groups worldwide, opening our southern border, and turning a blind eye to the genocide being perpetrated on Christians all over Africa and the Middle East.
The more damage Obama does, the more arrogant he's become!
Our nation and our government has been infiltrated by people who want to destroy us. It can only get worse!
If you fail to pass this one on, there's something wrong.. Somewhere!
In his book he said, "if it comes down to it, I would side with the Muslims". (And still, some insist he isn’t Muslim!)
Common sense doesn't grow in everyone's garden.


Could this happen in Australia?.......You can bet your boots it could....We already have one ALP Muslim in Federal parliament who took his oath on the Koran.

 

[Tisme]

People are stunned to learn that the head of the U.S. CIA is a Muslim!
Do hope this wakes up some!
You mean until it hits you like a ton of bricks read it again, until you understand!
We now have a Muslim government.
John Brennan, current head of the CIA converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia.
Obama's top adviser, Valerie Jarrett, is a Muslim who was born in Iran where her parents still live.
Hillary Clinton's top adviser, Huma Abedin is a Muslim, whose mother and brother are involved in the now outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for Homeland Security, Arif Aikhan, is a Muslim.
Homeland Security Adviser, Mohammed Elibiary, is a Muslim.
Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Salam al-Marayati, is a Muslim.
Obama's Sharia Czar, Imam Mohamed Magid, of the Islamic Society of North America is a Muslim..
Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships, Eboo Patel, is a Muslim.
1/13/15:?? Nancy Pelosi announced she will appoint Rep Andre Carson, D-Ind, as the first Muslim lawmaker on the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. It would make Carson the first Muslim to serve on the committee that receives intelligence on the threat of Islamic militants in the Middle East! He has suggested
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always pays to check snopes before getting on the fascist band wagon:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimgovernment.asp

Having said that I'm fairly sure the Labor Party will install a gay Muslim female disabled person to head up it's public service when elected.

 

[qldfrog]

always pays to check snopes before getting on the fascist band wagon:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimgovernment.asp

Having said that I'm fairly sure the Labor Party will install a gay Muslim female disabled person to head up it's public service when elected.

Tim you forgot the skin colour here
So gay Muslim female disabled black;
This is now a direct management/board entry card for any major corporation in Australia...

 

[qldfrog]

always pays to check snopes before getting on the fascist band wagon:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimgovernment.asp

Having said that I'm fairly sure the Labor Party will install a gay Muslim female disabled person to head up it's public service when elected.

this initial post did not sound that great indeed, but I really like bellenuit sharia polls input.

 

[DB008]

Sam Harris, spot on as usual

Sam Harris on CNN: "When cartoonists draw the wrong cartoon and embassies start burning,
we criticize the cartoonists and the newspapers that printed the cartoons, and we practice self-censorship...
this is the bigotry of low expectations."​

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[sydboy007]

[video=youtube_share;pSPvnFDDQHk]http://youtu.be/pSPvnFDDQHk[/video]

 

[sydboy007]

a very good 101 on Political Islam

[video=youtube_share;Im0IisZ77QI]http://youtu.be/Im0IisZ77QI[/video]


this video shows the very real existential threat facing europe

[video=youtube_share;dF9V8POmuxg]http://youtu.be/dF9V8POmuxg[/video]

 

[sydboy007]

Sam Harris, spot on as usual

Sam Harris on CNN: "When cartoonists draw the wrong cartoon and embassies start burning,
we criticize the cartoonists and the newspapers that printed the cartoons, and we practice self-censorship...
this is the bigotry of low expectations."​

The regressive left will be the destruction of western society. The oppression olympics has to end. In the UK up to 50% of young muslims wont tell authorities if they suspect someone of plotting a terrorist attack. Up to 70% of pakistanis either outright support ISIS or aren't sure if they do or don't.

No idea is above scrutiny, no person below dignity.

Understand the concept of abrogation within islam. Understand that the loving kumbaya of the quran have all been struck out and superseded by later verses. Understand the hadith and sira of Mohammed are far more important than the quran.

To understand Mohammed is to understand Islam. Understand that in his hippy meccan phase he was able to convert about 150 followers. Reconcile this with his Medina life and use of jihad to fund terrorism and forced conversions. Then it makes sense why he was pursuing acts of violence on average once every 6 weeks for the last 9 years of his life, and why the arabian peninsula had submitted to Islam by the time of his death. Peace for islam comes at the end of a sword and from all submitting to their religion.

Merkel has admitted it will cost 50B euros over 2 years to fund the islamification of europe. they are committing racial suicide and no one seems to care.

google info on the rotherham grooming scandal in the UK and see the reality of 1400+ british girls being sexually assaulted and passed around by Muslim Pakistanis over 16+ years, see how authorities were too scarred to deal with the issue.

Then read up on how paul Weston was arrested by british police and charged with a race hate crime for just reading from Churchill's book The River War in public:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.”

President Erdogan of Turkey has called for the imprisonment of a German national for an "insulting" poem. Jan Boehmermann had recited a satirical poem on the TV channel ZDF which made sexual references to President Erdogan. Mr Boehmermann is now under police protection and Angela Merkel's government has approved a criminal inquiry, under a little-used law concerning insults against foreign heads of state. Mrs Merkel stressed that the courts would have the final word, and it was now up to prosecutors to decide whether to press charges.

I fear Europe is lost.

 

[Tisme]

Germany and Saudi

http://saudiarabien.ahk.de/fileadmin/ahk_saudi_arabien/Allgemein/Saudi-German-Magazine.pdf

 

[DB008]

Free Speech and Islam ”” In Defense of Sam Harris​

“It’s gross! It’s racist!” exclaimed Ben Affleck on Bill Maher’s Real Time in October 2014, interrupting the neuroscientist “New Atheist” Sam Harris. Harris had been carefully explaining the linguistic bait-and-switch inherent in the word “Islamophobia” as “intellectually ridiculous,” in that “every criticism of the doctrine of Islam gets conflated with bigotry toward Muslims as people.” The result: progressives duped by the word shy away from criticizing the ideology of Islam, the tenets of which (including second-class status for women and intolerance toward sexual minorities) would, in any other context, surely elicit their condemnation.

Unwittingly, Affleck had confirmed Harris’ point, conflating religion with race. In doing so, the actor was espousing a position that can lead to a de facto racist conclusion. If you discount Islamic doctrine as the motivation for domestic violence and intolerance of sexual minorities in the Muslim world, you’re left with at least one implicitly bigoted assumption: the people of the region must then be congenitally inclined to behave as they do.

There was a disturbing irony in Affleck’s outburst. Few public intellectuals have done as thorough a job as Harris at pointing out the fallacies and dangers of the supernatural dogmas of religion, for which far too many are willing to kill and die these days. An avowed liberal (who plans to vote for Hillary) Harris is the author of, among many books, the groundbreaking The End of Faith. Yet Affleck seemed predisposed to regard him with hostility, possibly because Harris, at least for some on the Left, has acquired a toxic reputation ”” one stemming from what amounts to a campaign of defamation involving, by all appearances, a willful misrepresentation of his work, plus no small measure of slipshod “identity politics” thinking.

Harris has been lambasted as, among other things, a “genocidal fascist maniac” advocating “scientific racism,” militarism, and the murder of innocents for their beliefs, as well as racial profiling at airports, a nuclear first strike on the Middle East, plus, of course, Islamophobia and a failure to understand the faiths he argues against. (This is just a partial list.) The result? Harris has had to take measures to ensure his personal security, with negative ramifications in almost every area of his life. “I can say that much of what I do,” he told me in a recent email exchange, “both personally and professionally, is now done under a shadow of defamatory lies.”

The attacks against Harris have emanated predominantly from a prominent yet persistent handful of supposed progressives (and their peons), among whom are the religion scholar and media personality Reza Aslan, and the journalists from The Intercept, Glenn Greenwald (famed for transmitting Edward Snowden’s NSA revelations to the world) and Murtaza Hussain. Lately, with Harris’ publication of Islam and the Future of Tolerance, they have even taken aim at his coauthor and friend, the onetime Islamist turned reformer Maajid Nawaz.

Nonetheless, Harris’ own words, conveyed through his books, podcasts, blog posts, interviews, and Twitter feed, bely the attacks, which can be as mean-spirited as they are groundless and muddled. They have tainted the debates we need to conduct about Islam and terrorism in particular, but, more generally, the danger religious fundamentalism poses to our constitutionally secular republic and to the largely post-Christian countries of Western Europe now confronting huge inflows of Muslim migrants. The sum effect is to leave us all less well-off, less safe. And certainly more confused.

The charge of insufficient religious expertise is the least substantial, but nonetheless worth dispensing with, given that it could potentially be leveled at any nonbeliever disagreeing with faith’s precepts. In a 2007 debate, for instance, Reza Aslan accused Harris of having a “profoundly unsophisticated” view of religion, and of relying on Fox News as his “research tools” – an assertion that can be disproved by just opening The End of Faith, a meticulously compiled treatise with 237 pages of text (in the paperback edition) followed by sixty-one pages of footnotes and twenty-eight pages of bibliography listing some six hundred sources. In this opus, Harris walks us through the many follies of faith (mostly Christianity and Islam), but one key message transpires: belief guides behavior. A self-evident proposition no reasonable person would argue with.

Which has not stopped Reza Aslan from doing just that. Writing in relation to Harris’ skirmish with Affleck, Aslan has stated that religion “is often far more a matter of identity than it is a matter of beliefs and practices” and that “people of faith insert their values into their Scriptures,” with other, often contingent factors causing them to act as they do. So when ISIS guerrillas behead their captives, justifying their bloodshed by proclaiming jihad and citing verses from the Quran, by Aslan’s definition we cannot blame the doctrine of jihad or the contents of Islamic scripture, but must seek out other motives. This is prima facie obfuscatory, because it involves discounting the testimony of the perpetrators themselves.

The “genocidal fascist maniac” moniker was born of a certain @dan_verg_ on Twitter (account since suspended), and retweeted by Reza Aslan and Glenn Greenwald. The tweet misquoted, without context, a line from Harris’s The End of Faith: “Some beliefs” ”” “propositions” in the original ”” “are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them.” Which suggests Harris might endorse the death penalty for thought crime.

More on link below...

http://quillette.com/2016/04/21/free-speech-and-islam-in-defense-of-sam-harris/​

 

[qldfrog]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/university-professor-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-by-islamist-militants-20160423-godoa9.html
a religion of peace being applied...

 

[Tisme]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/university-professor-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-by-islamist-militants-20160423-godoa9.html
a religion of peace being applied...

Wasn't Bangladesh that place that needed humanitarian relief, like forever? They took western dollars and used it to populate and propagate hate for their benefactors.

 

[bellenuit]

Free Speech and Islam ”” In Defense of Sam Harris​

Yes, I saw that encounter between Affleck and Harris on the Bill Maher show. Affleck was just so aggressive and unwilling to allow Harris (or Maher) to speak without constant interruption. I lost all respect for him after his performance.

As to Reza Aslan, he is probably one of the worst apologists going, and has been shown to be willing to lie when it suits him (even about his own academic record). Unfortunately, he is the "go to Muslim" for many news and talk shows and is championed by the regressive left because he plays the Islam is never at fault card and everything bad that is caused by islamists is due to some previous policy of the West.

 

[luutzu]

Wasn't Bangladesh that place that needed humanitarian relief, like forever? They took western dollars and used it to populate and propagate hate for their benefactors.

Maybe only since the East Indies Company, then British... mmm... liberation from the Mogul or Raj or themselves.