Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

luutzu said:

Let's not bring peace and stand for justice by waging war and first committing violence against those we think would commit senseless violence on us.

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Iuutzu, you asked me for some solutions and I have outlined 3 possible ways.
I advocate the good way and am practising it in my debate with you.

The other two ways will be advocated and enacted by other people - as already demonstated in Central African Republican – a place where the rule of law was already weak and which made it possible for lawless ‘Christians’ to do what they did. Obviously I am not condoning their violent behavior. However, it is a taste of the sort of thing that could spread elsewhere if attempts to solve the problem the ‘good’ way are stifled.

This is why the protection of our freedom of speech is so vital. It’s the only peaceful option open to us but I believe it is a very powerful option.

Unfortunately we have a political class who are running scared. I think most of them who publicly claim that “Islam is a religion of Peace” are lying. They are in the public arena and will often be physically at risk so they act cowardly. In other words, Islam has already terrorized them into partial submission.

But if this continues it will have undesired consequences. By behaving cowardly the political class is failing to give the more right wing element a voice for their concerns and are not offering them any solutions. This is already breeding a great deal of resentment. Hence there are groups like the English Defence League in the UK and PEGIDA in Europe.

So we have Tony Abbott publicly denouncing IS for the cowardly execution of an innocent Japanese citizen while the Australian Flag on Parliament House flies at half mast to mourn the death of a Saudi king who enforces sharia law and is a sympathiser and financier of middle east terrorism.

Something not right with this, especially on the eve of Australia Day.

Will it be in in its rightful position tomorrow ?

Boggo said:

So we have Tony Abbott publicly denouncing IS for the cowardly execution of an innocent Japanese citizen while the Australian Flag on Parliament House flies at half mast to mourn the death of a Saudi king who enforces sharia law and is a sympathiser and financier of middle east terrorism.

Something not right with this, especially on the eve of Australia Day.

Will it be in in its rightful position tomorrow ?

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This sycophantic behavior of our Government and other Western Governments is no surprise.

Something I am really interested to know is whether the Chinese are flying their flags at half mast. Does anyone know?

Here is a recent video explaining Islam's 3 stages of Jihad. The creator of the video has already received death threats.
Apparently it's not just offensive cartoonists that must be killed it is anyone who speaks the truth about Islam.

I was just watching the ‘Australian Of The Year’ awards on TV. One of the nominees for ‘Young Australian of The Year’ was a young woman whose name I didn’t catch. Her head was covered so I presume she’s a Muslim.
One of the things she said when interviewed was “This place (Australia) is just so damn awesome that we want everyone to come here.”

This sort of thinking poses one hell of a risk to the security of our country, our freedoms and our way of life. I wonder if she’s ever seriously considered how much a place changes for the worse when you start bringing ‘everyone’ in regardless of their culture, values and religion, and most of all their compatibility.
When she has a few more decades of life experience under her belt she might start to realize that inviting all and sundry to share in something good is often a sure path to stuffing it up.
We’re seeing examples of this all over the world right now. Is Lakemba in Sydney better or worse now that the Muslims have discovered it and have moved in and taken over? Ask people from Holland, Germany, France, Spain, Britain, and dozens of other countries if things are better or worse for them since they opened their doors to mass immigration from Islamic countries.

bunyip said:

One of the things she said when interviewed was “This place (Australia) is just so damn awesome that we want everyone to come here.”

This sort of thinking poses one hell of a risk to the security of our country, our freedoms and our way of life. I wonder if she’s ever seriously considered how much a place changes for the worse when you start bringing ‘everyone’ in regardless of their culture, values and religion, and most of all their compatibility.

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Bunyip, she is in stage zero of the three stage process of Islamic Jihad. Stage zero means – totally clueless. If you are curious to know what I am talking about the video I posted in post #456 will explain – but you will need to watch it right through to the end. The video is actually quite entertaining. It includes some great sound-bites from President Obama.

Boggo said:

So we have Tony Abbott publicly denouncing IS for the cowardly execution of an innocent Japanese citizen while the Australian Flag on Parliament House flies at half mast to mourn the death of a Saudi king who enforces sharia law and is a sympathiser and financier of middle east terrorism.

Something not right with this, especially on the eve of Australia Day.

Will it be in in its rightful position tomorrow ?

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Yes, that does seem to be pretty damn silly and hypocritical doesn’t it.
The last thing we should be doing is flying our flag at half mast as a mark of respect to a piece of vermin with the appalling human rights record of the Saudi king.

Reminds me of the time that grubby little Vietnamese/Australian drug trafficker Van Nguyen was executed in Singapore.
What did the Queensland government do at the exact moment he was hanged....they halted the Queensland parliament for a minutes silence as a mark of respect for Nguyen.
I could never work out why a mass murdering drug trafficker was worthy of any respect.
Sometimes the actions of our politicians defy logic.

bunyip said:

Yes, that does seem to be pretty damn silly and hypocritical doesn’t it.
The last thing we should be doing is flying our flag at half mast as a mark of respect to a piece of vermin with the appalling human rights record of the Saudi king.

Reminds me of the time that grubby little Vietnamese/Australian drug trafficker Van Nguyen was executed in Singapore.
What did the Queensland government do at the exact moment he was hanged....they halted the Queensland parliament for a minutes silence as a mark of respect for Nguyen.
I could never work out why a mass murdering drug trafficker was worthy of any respect.
Sometimes the actions of our politicians defy logic.

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From memory, Van Nguyen was mulling the drugs for the first time and doing it because his younger or older brother owes money to gangsters and drug dealers and if he could get it across they'd forgive the debt. Anyway...

The Saudi King... how do you think we dealt the Evil Empire USSR one last knockout blow in the 90s? How we're doing it now with record low oil prices to really stuff Russia's economy in addition to the sanctions?


Should watch George Clooney's Syriana - it's based on former CIA ME operative's (Baer?) book "See no evil, Hear no evil".

bunyip said:

I was just watching the ‘Australian Of The Year’ awards on TV. One of the nominees for ‘Young Australian of The Year’ was a young woman whose name I didn’t catch. Her head was covered so I presume she’s a Muslim.
One of the things she said when interviewed was “This place (Australia) is just so damn awesome that we want everyone to come here.”

This sort of thinking poses one hell of a risk to the security of our country, our freedoms and our way of life. I wonder if she’s ever seriously considered how much a place changes for the worse when you start bringing ‘everyone’ in regardless of their culture, values and religion, and most of all their compatibility.
When she has a few more decades of life experience under her belt she might start to realize that inviting all and sundry to share in something good is often a sure path to stuffing it up.
We’re seeing examples of this all over the world right now. Is Lakemba in Sydney better or worse now that the Muslims have discovered it and have moved in and taken over? Ask people from Holland, Germany, France, Spain, Britain, and dozens of other countries if things are better or worse for them since they opened their doors to mass immigration from Islamic countries.

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Beside the helicopters hovering and passing by every time there's some terrorist threat in recent months, seems like any normal suburb to me.

That and the speed limits are in Arabic numerals.

But yea, too many Muslims here... a bit like too many Italians on Norton Street in St Peters or something, or too many Koreans in nearby Campsie, and forget about Cabramatta.

Masab Yousef Son of the Leader of Hamas is an ex-Muslim.
In this video he speaks out against islam and calls the Allah of Islam a gangster.

According to the interviewee in this video, if you are not a muslim you are guilty and deserve to be killed.

Link to PBS documentary on Islam. Narrated by Ben Kingsley.

Document the birth and rise of Muhammad, the contributions and whatnot of Islam.

Bintang said:

However, the Saudis who are mostly Sunni muslims are threatened externally by their Shia cousins such as those over the border in Iran. The hatred and bitterness between Sunnis and Shias goes right back to the immediate aftermath of Mohammed’s death.

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And they bring their hatred of each other with them when them emigrate to new countries – what’s happening in places like Sydney proves it. These clowns have been at each others throats for centuries, no way are they going to wipe the slate clean and make a fresh start when they come to Australia. They don’t want to get on with each other, they don’t want to get on with the people of the country that was decent (or foolish) enough to take them in.
Supposedly they emigrate to escape the problems in their home countries, then in their new country they set about recreating the problems that made life so unbearable for them back home. In the process they not only stuff up their own lives all over again, they also stuff up the country that took them in.
It just doesn't get any dumber than that!

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/a-punch-a...med-bankstown-altercation-20130905-2t6yt.html

bunyip said:

And they bring their hatred of each other with them when them emigrate to new countries – what’s happening in places like Sydney proves it. These clowns have been at each others throats for centuries, no way are they going to wipe the slate clean and make a fresh start when they come to Australia.

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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/syrian-war-triggers-sydney-trouble-20130629-2p3vn.html

bunyip said:

And they bring their hatred of each other with them when them emigrate to new countries – what’s happening in places like Sydney proves it. These clowns have been at each others throats for centuries, no way are they going to wipe the slate clean and make a fresh start when they come to Australia. They don’t want to get on with each other, they don’t want to get on with the people of the country that was decent (or foolish) enough to take them in.

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The book ‘Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat’, explains the progressive stages of Islamization of non-muslim countries throughout history and states that when a population reaches 100% muslim it is supposed to usher in the peace of 'Dar-al-Salaam', i.e. the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only “Word”, for example as in the countries of:
Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen

"However, real peace is never achieved, as in these 100% muslim states the most radical muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical muslims, for a variety of reasons."

It looks like that even before they get to 100% of a country’s population they will start fighting amongst themselves when there is a high enough concentration of them in a particular locality.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy,

which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture,

sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the

Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement,

the next of its dignity and sanctity.



The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property,

either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam

has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities,

but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.



No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

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Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London). [1899]

Churchill saw it coming.

Bintang said:

The book ‘Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat’, explains the progressive stages of Islamization of non-muslim countries throughout history and states that when a population reaches 100% muslim it is supposed to usher in the peace of 'Dar-al-Salaam', i.e. the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only “Word”, for example as in the countries of:
Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen

"However, real peace is never achieved, as in these 100% muslim states the most radical muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical muslims, for a variety of reasons."

It looks like that even before they get to 100% of a country’s population they will start fighting amongst themselves when there is a high enough concentration of them in a particular locality.

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I guess you guys didn't bother to watch that documentary on Islam.

From that documentary, the only instance where a Muslim ruler ever commit a racial or religious crime was one Egyptian caliph some 200 years after Muhammad - he burnt that important Church in Jerusalem.

The historians and scholars there have said that throughout its history, from its founding, Islam never force conversion, it permit the religious and cultural practices of those under its rule - like not killing Jews and Christians and forcing them to convert - though I heard elsewhere that in some regions they did offer tax incentives for Muslims and charge higher taxes for infidels.

When Muhammad returned to Mecca, having not been killed by the Meccan warlords and clans that tried to get rid of him and Islam for the past few years - he did not kill or murder or rape and pillage as was the norm; he forgive... Yes, he got rid of all the various tribal gods and idols, got rid of the priesthoods within the Arab tribes - just like Moses right? So you can argue that that's intolerant... but not exactly bloodlust, Ivan the terrible kinda crazies right?

If you bothered to watch part 2 or 3, you will see that maybe Islam is more enlightened than Christianity. An example is that Islam does not see the contradiction of worshipping God/Allah with scientific enquiries and innovation. Hence the establishment of universities, of hospitals, of healing the sick through medicine and not prayers; the studies or human anatomy - a reference book that became standard for 500 years after publication throughout ME and Europe; pioneers in surgery; cured cataract 1000 years before the West etc. etc.

Anyway... I'm sure that with the current wars on terror - expected to last 100 years, or maybe even forever according to Bush Jr.; that and there's some 1.6 billion Muslims in the world - I'm sure you will be able to find "evidence" of Islamic crimes and savagery on a weekly if not daily basis. So have fun.

So while you're at it, maybe type in "crazy [x]", with x being Christians or Jews or Blacks or Asians or Whites or college kids... and project those to represent their cohort... I think you will find the world a dark and sad, but funny, place full of idiots.

SirRumpole said:

Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London). [1899]

Churchill saw it coming.

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You'll love this:

Sir Winston Churchill 's family feared he might convert to Islam
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11314580/Sir-Winston-Churchill-s-family-feared-he-might-convert-to-Islam.html

But what may come as a surprise is that he was a strong admirer of Islam and the culture of the Orient ”” such was his regard for the Muslim faith that relatives feared he might convert.
The revelation comes with the discovery of a letter to Churchill from his future sister-in-law, Lady Gwendoline Bertie, written in August 1907, in which she urges him to rein in his enthusiasm....

"she pleads: “Please don’t become converted to Islam; I have noticed in your disposition a tendency to orientalise [fascination with the Orient and Islam], Pasha-like tendencies, I really have.”

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But maybe he was young and hadn't realised that his little country in the North Sea have done much better in a little over 400 years.

SirRumpole said:

Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London). [1899] Churchill saw it coming.

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How times have changed.

If Churchill were still alive and spoke those words today he would surely (by today's British standards) be labeled Islamophobic and even deserve to be kicked out of his own country.

After all, American anti-Islam activist and author Robert Spencer was denied entry into the UK in 2013 for speech that a rational person could not regard as worse than the words of Churchill.

Spencer was told in a letter from the British Home Office: “your presence here is not conducive to the public good.” The reason for this as stated by The Home Office’s letter was:

“You are reported to have stated the following:
[Islam] is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society because media and general government unwillingness to face the sources of Islamic terrorism these things remain largely unknown.”

The Speech that Got Robert Spencer Banned From the UK

The Letter from the Home Office

However, just a few days before Spencer was banned an Islamic preacher named Al-Arefe was admitted into the UK to speak at a mosque in London. Al-Arefe is the author of these words:

"Devotion to jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls, and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer. Allah said that if a man fights the infidels, the infidels will be unable to prepare to fight"

He also advocates wife-beatings: http://news.sky.com/story/1106292/preacher-who-backs-wife-beatings-let-into-uks

How in hell could the British Home Office do this? Maybe Allah knows the answer.

luutzu said:

You'll love this:

Sir Winston Churchill 's family feared he might convert to Islam
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11314580/Sir-Winston-Churchill-s-family-feared-he-might-convert-to-Islam.html
But maybe he was young and hadn't realised that his little country in the North Sea have done much better in a little over 400 years.

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luutzu, the instant I read Rumpole's post I knew that you would respond with this ridiculous article.

As one commentator has said: "I nominate this for stupidest, most deceptive article of 2015 so far"

And that is the sum total of what needs to be said.