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Bintang exactly where did you come across the tag line you use for this discussion?
Bintang exactly where did you come across the tag line you use for this discussion?
Absolutely, and that's because the Saudi dynasty are quasi-muslims, not muslims. Ossama Bin-Laden would have killed all of them if he had the chance.
Refer back to my table of muslim categories. It really does help to put everything in perspective.
So trust me, you're wrong about Muslims and Islam
... and man, you do not want to live in a country where the majority think like you do about them or any other group either.
haha... yea, that nice list.
Saddam Hussein (Sunni Muslim) was OK when he fought Iran and gas Iranians (Shia muslims) (and his own people – mostly Shia muslims. The ruling class Sunnis were a minority); Kuwait (Quasi-muslims)? That evil dictator!
Well nothing that you have ever said about the issue (i.e. the bits I could decipher) makes any sense. I trust you man, but you are dead wrong.
Well they are very lucky to live here. We know they are up to no good, yet we tolerate them and even pay them welfare so that they don't have to work. And we even allow their Jihadist children who have joined ISIS, a safe passage back to Australia after they have learned their evil trade. The government panders more to them, than to the minority who recognise that Islam is evil. What are the apologists for Islam whinging about?
Where do you and Rumpy and Bas get the idea that we are not nice to them?
Huh??? What the hell are you rabbitting on about?
No, not so hard to understand.
No buddy, I said we, the West/US was fine with him when he do what we like; We weren't fine with him when he do the same thing that we do not like.
Got nothing to do with Religion.
We, like all nations, sleeps with anyone that serves our purpose. Sometime we feel bad about it... and sometime feel really really bad for having done it... especially when they jump in bed with others we don't like, or decided to not sleep with us anymore.
This again is where I think you are making the wrong comparison. It was Nazism that was inherently evil and Islam is today's equivalent to Nazism. In Palestinian schools they are thought that the Jews are monkeys (Case Study: Portraying Jews as "Apes and Pigs" http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=786 ) and the Islamic Hadith calls for the extermination of the Jews (it is explicit and no amount of obfuscation by the apologists can claim it is saying otherwise: 73% of Palestinians agree with genocidal hadith about Muslims killing Jews hiding behind trees http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/7...bout-muslims-killing-jews-hiding-behind-trees ). Although there may be instances of Muslims being harassed for wearing their headgear in Western societies, it is the Jews in Europe who, under attack by Islam, are the victims and reminiscent of Germany when the Nazis were coming to power.
A new anti-Semitism? Why thousands of Jewish citizens are leaving France
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/a-ne...usands-of-jewish-citizens-are-leaving-france/
Jewish people feel they have no future in Britain as fears over anti-Semitism grow
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/55...ry-about-future-fears-over-anti-Semitism-grow
It was Nazism that imposed censorship of "liberal" writings, movies and even music and it is Islam today that does the same thing. Islam is not standing up for the rights of free speech but like the Nazis who denounced "liberal" culture as Jewish filth, Islam denounce it as unIslamic and Jewish inspired filth.
We have seen the oppression of minorities in almost all Islamic states at the hands of the Islamists in power. It is there we see "laws against employment, marriage, owning of businesses" by infidels. There are no comparable laws in any Western democracy applied to Muslims.
Everything you fear about what could happen if Islam is denounced is actually happening all over the Muslim world against infidels, yet you do not seem to have an issue with it.
It was those who appeased Nazism that allowed it to take hold in Europe and it is those who appease Islam's barbaric culture that will allow it to spread in the West.
You are picking the wrong victim.
Huh??? What the hell are you rabbitting on about?
And in what way exactly does you discourse help us to debate the very weighty matter of whether 'Islam is inherently evil?'
So if, say the Japanese, bla… bla… bla…. stay in Israel for ten years or more.
And in what way exactly does you discourse help us to debate the very weighty matter of whether 'Islam is inherently evil?'
In scientific psychology, it was found that people stereotype this and that so it is easier to think.
Stereotyping, in other words, make the subject matter simpler to process - we don't want to see everything as completely new and must reprocess.
Some stereotyping are essential, passed down to us from our forebears due to its evolutionary advantages - most snakes will kill you, best to avoid and be afraid of them; women with big breasts and lots of curves would nourish your offspring better, so try to marry those ones...
However, for the simple minded, the lazy... stereotyping serves the need to not think too much else their head hurts. That's even easier to do when you got media and politicians winking and nudging if they're not screaming it out loud... that Muslims and Islam are this and that.
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Seriously though, you ought to get to know a few Muslims. I went to school with some of them; have work with some of them; have dealt with a few tradies and contractors; have interacted with them... they're good people... not very different from any group you care to compare to.
Give you an example. We were demolishing this brick shed and hired a few skip bins from this Muslim skip hire place. The owner, who is also the driver, saw our shed and see it's all brick. Know what he said? We've already agreed on the price but once he saw our pile he said that if we just throw bricks in the bins, he'll charge us $550 instead of $800.
Even advised us on how to recycle the colorbond and have it picked up free, and the few sticks of timber we can take to the depot ourselves.
I've met enough Arabs and Muslims to know they're not all like that, but that also applies to other races I know as well - including the Asians, and the Catholics, and the Whites.
So trust me, you're wrong about Muslims and Islam... and man, you do not want to live in a country where the majority think like you do about them or any other group either.
So if you yourself have looked into this issue carefully and concluded that Muslim and Islam is just nasty, then OK; Just make sure you're not being made a fool of by those with other motives.
A first step might be to ask why is it that we always fight bad and evil people.
Are they bad and evil because they're really nasty, or so because they're against us only.
Are we good and pure when we flatten homes and destroy cities to protect ourselves or avenge crimes against us; but they are evil and cruel when they do similar for perceived wrongdoings by us?
In that we think it's evil because some of them are fighting against us and our interests.
Saudi Arabia is quite a fundamentalist kind of Islamic kingdom isn't it? No democracy, freedom, none of "our values" there - what with the public head chopping they do weekly it seem... we seem OK with them and always invite them to our parties.
When evil is seen, but it came from a Christian state (Nazi Germany)... did we question evilness there as Christian values?
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I agree that this is a serious matter. But religion or Islam isn't it. What's weighty here is terrorism.
You can explain Islamic terrorism away by debating Islam and how it preaches violence and evilness... that's what we're told to do. So good job.
So sure, they hate us because of our values, because of who we are, because they don't like our women wearing bikinis (who would hate other people's women wearing bikini, seriously?) or going to work or study... That or maybe it's something else.
Sun Tzu said, war are struggles between two forces; hence it is only from knowing both yourself and your enemy will you attain victory. To know yourself but not your enemy; to know your enemy but not yourself... you can only win half the time. What victory is there to speak of when you neither know yourself nor your enemy.
We, the people, do we know what is and has been done in our name? Claimed to be done for our interests?
I doubt we know that.
Do we, the people, know our enemy? Know why they hate us and want to terrorise us?
If our answer is we always do good or do nothing at all; That they hate us because of their religion and their lack of education and their savagery and barbarism...
That's to fight wars, not to win it.
Can't you express your view without being so unnecessarily insulting to another member?Even a simple mind like yours must be aware that Islamism is an evil religion/cult, and Bas is obviously smarter than you, who keep posting even when you have nothing to say.
Saudi Arabia is quite a fundamentalist kind of Islamic kingdom isn't it? No democracy, freedom, none of "our values" there - what with the public head chopping they do weekly it seem... we seem OK with them and always invite them to our parties.
Can't you express your view without being so unnecessarily insulting to another member?
.The master of denunciation by inference strikes again
I know I shouldn't respond to provocatory posts. It was a mistake to take Rumpy off ignore.
If I had a choice, I'd lock this thread because nothing new is likely to be added. But that would only give more ammunition to additional repetitive whinges in the "no more freedom of speech" thread.
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