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How about simply mutual respect, courtesy, good manners or some other "goody two shoes" nicety?
It is really easy to be unthinking, vicious, spiteful, wrong or deceitful.
In my view Internet forums have enabled people to repeatedly make simplistic, thoughtless and often nasty comments. We are anonymous keyboard warriors. Lets create mayhem!!
On top of that our media culture revels in "simplistic, thoughtless and often nasty comments". Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt take a bow. And these are some of the most well paid highest rating performers. And their prize is money and recognition and ratings. (All very useful to sell more tat to people who already have a life full of the stuff)
I seem to be the only respondent who has taken basilio's comments as general, rather than specifically relating to criticism of Islam. My post was as a result of that assumption and did not imply any criticism of anyone finding fault with behaviour of Islamists. Probably I should have considered more the thread title and basilio should have been more clear about whether he was focusing on criticism of Islam or general behaviour on the internet.Agree 100%, basilio. I worry also that the huge response to the Paris killings, including the symbolic joining together of linked arms of many world leaders, has unintentionally provided some sort of 'open season' on expressing hatred, giving implied licence to many who would have previously held their collective tongues, to unleash anger and insults.
Many of the posts on social media show an alarming level of vicious abuse, often a sort of pack mentality with multiple posters falling into the vituperative bullying.
Surely those same people would not behave like that in a face to face situation?
Occasionally I've heard bits of Alan Jones and Ray Hadley on morning radio and just cannot understand how they attract the audiences they apparently do.
http://spiritualperception.org/top-five-misquotations-of-the-quran/Top Five Misquotations Of The Qur’an
by Dr. M. Nazir Khan | Jan 1, 2015 | Guidance | 0 comments
The recent surge in negative sentiments towards Islam and Muslims has resulted in many attempts to depict the religion as inherently violent. This has also resulted in absurd accusations against the Qur’an. What are the five most frequently misquoted passages in the Qur’an? Do accusations of violence stand up to academic scrutiny, or are the verses being distorted to suggest the opposite of what they actually say?
Islam and Non-Muslims
by Dr. M. Nazir Khan | Jan 12, 2015 | Society, Values | 0 comments
How do human beings live together on a planet with so many different moral systems, ideologies and religions? What does Islam say about dealing with non-Muslims? Doesn’t religion always create artificial barriers between people?
In order for people to live peacefully together on this planet, they must be willing to deal respectfully with those who belong to other communities. A common feature of all fanatical ideologies is xenophobia – the extreme hatred for those who are different and do not belong to one’s group. It is essential then, for any system of guidance (religious or otherwise) that purports to be a complete way of life, that it must accommodate outsiders with tolerance and respect.
The emergence of fanatical ideologies in war-torn and politically repressive Muslim-majority countries has lead many to question how Islam defines its relationship with the outsider. It is of critical importance therefore, that a close examination of the foundational and authoritative sources be undertaken to answer this question.
Why is it that the Muslim community is demanding taxpayer funded government programs to prevent the bad behaviour of their young people?West Australian academic Anne Aly, who founded the group People Against Violent Extremism, which relies largely on volunteers, said the government had missed a vital opportunity to help community leaders deal with scores of known extremists whose passports were cancelled.
“I think the process is taking too long,” Dr Aly said.
“I understand government bureaucracy, but really when there is a matter of urgency like this, you would think that the government would put more effort towards it.
“They’ve managed to put together legislation about the remov*al of passports, increased surveillance of returned foreign fighters … but those measures are not being balanced out by any prevention measures.”
Last August, the federal government announced that $13.4m would be allocated to countering violent extremism as part of a wider $630m counter-terrorism package. The funds were specifically aimed at strengthening community engagement programs.
The government is yet to announce any concrete plans for that money, though it is preparing in coming weeks to announce a strategy that directly targets known extremists. Funding for counselling, rehabilitation and social support services are also expected to be in the offing.
“What we are questioning is the sense of priority,” Dr Rifi said. “The type of people whose passports have been confiscated have been roaming the street and they are forming a fan base around them, taking the high moral ground, using intimidation strategies, and no one is engaging with them.”
Sydney-based Social Justice Network president Jamal Daoud, a moderate who describes himself as a secular Sunni, said those fighting extremism on the ground had been the target of intimidation and physical attack by terrorist supporters yet had received little support from authorities.
“A lot of people in the community a the moment are giving up any hope of co-operating with authorities,” Mr Daoud said.
“It’s very alarming. It seems there is no plan.”
The Attorney-General’s Department has held discussions with both Dr Rifi and Dr Aly on the design of initiatives under new counter-terrorism programs.
It is understood funding applications will shortly be accepted.
The government has also funded Dr Aly’s People Against Violent Extremism organisation to develop the Walk Away from Violent Extremism campaign.
The government said yesterday that its Countering Violent Extremism Program was “on schedule for implementation”.
“This work cannot succeed without the support of the community and the active involvement of leaders of the Muslim community,” said a spokeswoman for the federal Attorney-General, George Brandis.
As I said I believe quite strongly that the portrayal of Islam as inherently evil by quotation of the Quran is just a series of simplistic or willfully ignorant actions.
It is dead simple to trash a religion by picking words and phrases out of context both linguistically and historically. For anyone who cares to read just what the Quran says and what was meant I'll post the reference.
From "The Australian" today:
Why is it that the Muslim community is demanding taxpayer funded government programs to prevent the bad behaviour of their young people?
How is the government supposed to prevent these people from accepting the urgings to them from mosques or the internet which supposedly prompt them to want to fight for ISIS et al?
Isn't it reasonable to expect Muslim leaders, those so called moderate people, to take some responsibility for managing their own community?
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (his adopted religious identity) makes some very valid points in this article. He is of course correct when he points out that money, bragging-rights in a power struggle and deceived, programmed drones are all part of the tapestry of what is going on in radical Islam. However, to assert that terrorist acts committed by "self-proclaimed" radical Muslims should be divorced from any genuine religious motivation is both disingenuous and a naive delusion.For anyone with an open mind this is a good read by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from Mauldin (yes, the same gentleman who scored the most points in NBA history) Its in relation to the France murders.
http://time.com/3662152/kareem-abdu...bdo-terrorist-attacks-are-not-about-religion/
When acts of jihad are a ticket to an eternity in paradise, life on earth is only a proving ground for demonstrating one's worthiness to get the ticket. The sooner one can get to paradise the better, it's not a death cult but rather an eternal life in paradise cult. Islam certainly inspires evil and is a grand deception that, like its cousin Christianity, is a combination of myth, legend and fiction masquerading as absolute truth.
The poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get anything. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he (Mohammed) promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.
(QURAN 52:24): "And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls."
(QURAN 56:17): "They will be served by immortal boys."
(QURAN 76:19): "And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls."
The KKK analogy is a particularly poor argument, the hate and prejudice enshrined by this racist organization and the acts they carry out, are done in the name of white supremacy not Jesus.
Kareem's desperate plea that acts of Islamist terrorism be dismissed as a misunderstanding of true Islam by criminals should be discarded as nonsensical. To suggest that a violent Muslim fundamentalist does not properly understand Islam (and Islam is not the problem) when he flies a plane into a building shouting Allahu Akbar begs the question of who is more deceived, the person committing the act or the person who denies Islam is the problem and prime motivation.
however isnt the KKK using Christianity for cover or twisting words out of the Christian faith to suit their view of the world in the same or similar manner the radical Jihad mob are.
Open-minded IFocus asks the question;
So what? The estimated Klan membership of 3000 to 5000 in America is miniscule. There are 1.5 billion Muslims.The Klan's potential for evil is negligable, Islam's potential for evil is massive and is being demonstrated every day.
FxTrader
Isn’t the KKK using Christianity for cover or twisting words out of the Christian faith to suit their view of the world in the same or similar manner the radical Jihad mob are.
Doesn’t that tell you enough?FxTrader
I do understand that Islam has in the main only ever been spread by the sword.
FxTrader
The immediate issue for the west is that large populations of Muslims live among us, as expressed by a security expert on ABC the other day the west must mobilise the moderates against the radicals failure to do so will just produce more radicals.
As I said I believe quite strongly that the portrayal of Islam as inherently evil by quotation of the Quran is just a series of simplistic or willfully ignorant actions.
It is dead simple to trash a religion by picking words and phrases out of context both linguistically and historically. For anyone who cares to read just what the Quran says and what was meant I'll post the reference.
Of Course - Islam Has Nothing to Do with Islam
Of course President Obama believes that terrorism "has nothing to do with Islam" It's hard not to believe that he is a closet Islamist
I admire her conviction and courage. It is in strong contrast to Australian Muslim 'moderate leaders' who were reported recently as being too afraid to confront radicalised members of their family or community.Speak out and speak the truth and that's where you end up, like ex-muslim (i.e. apostate) Ayaan Hirsi Ali who says that terrorism has everything to do with Islam.
I admire her conviction and courage. It is in strong contrast to Australian Muslim 'moderate leaders' who were reported recently as being too afraid to confront radicalised members of their family or community.
Surely the obvious thing to do would be to report them to the police or other appropriate agency.
I have no idea. Depends on their family and community relationships, I suppose. I'd have thought that if your son or daughter was showing signs of untoward activity you'd have a responsibility to make an effort to deal with it intra-family as first resort.Wouldn't you agree that the smart thing to do for a "moderate" Muslim is to not draw attention and possible reprisal to yourself by publicly confronting radicals, but privately "dob them in" to police ?
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