Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

Why do Muslims want to come to Australia, knowing that it is not a Muslim country, then demand to change it. How many non-Muslim Australians got to any Muslim country and demand that they stop being Muslim? And what do you think will be the countries response?

If living in a Muslim country is their desire, then why not go THERE? No disrespect, just common logic!

What was Bush Jr's claims when he took that Coalition to the Middle East and liberate it?

"Nation building", "bringing democracy" blah blah.

Oh look, those weird Muslims somehow doesn't like their country being blown up, their resources taken, their children dead. All that before they have to change their ways of life as written by the enlightened foreigners on crusades to rid the world... of something.

If only they appreciate the sacrifices they must make. Well, I guess Trump has recently announced that he'll also liberate Afghanistan's mineral resources to help it pay American Corporations the blood and treasure American citizens bear to "liberate" the country of terror and war and explosives.

 

[luutzu]

Muslim countries don't have a generous welfare system like us.

You do realise that there's about 7 wars right now in the Middle East?

And again... when war breaks out in one country, the people seek refuge in countries closest to them. Like the Syrians closer to Iraq flee to Iraq; those closer the Jordan, or Turkey goes there... then those who want to invade Europe to live off of its welfare take a floatie and play dice with the seas.


Part of being that civilised society is providing welfare to those in need, even if it doesn't seem right, or fair. Being generous and civilised, having that great democracy and Christian value is more than speaking proper English and going to Church every Sunday.

 

[watchdog11]

Why not read what Mohamed instructed, and did? Don't project one's own feelings, just be objective. Research what percentage of the Koran deals with non-believers (i.e. non-Muslims) and what it tells Muslims to do about them.

Now go to history. Again, just facts: Islam is responsible for the murder of 270million people, including 70million Hindus. This tops every other single cause in the history of man, for killing people.

Now, again objectively, research what Islam has contributed to culture, arts and science. Do not mistake the achievements of pre-Islamic Arabia and Persia. Islam has/is destroying monuments, and is not contributing to humanity. How many world charities to non-Islamic people, are there funded by Islam?

This is NOT saying that there aren't many "nice" Muslim peoples. This thread, as far as I can tell, is about Islam good or evil, not about Muslim human beings good or evil. (There are good and bad people everywhere!). Quoting genocide, murder and war crimes is shocking, but irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[SirRumpole]

You do realise that there's about 7 wars right now in the Middle East?

Doesn't that tell you that maybe the Middle easterners aren't as civilised as they could be ?

 

[luutzu]

Doesn't that tell you that maybe the Middle easterners aren't as civilised as they could be ?

Say what?

I guess it's their fault history's mightiest imperial power, and allies, decided to drop by to train and arm a few good Arabs against the other bad ones. And does it because that's what the good guys do.

As the late American historian, Howard Zinn, advised: read history, learn its true lessons. Those who fail to understand history will be like children being misled.

Did you know that according to Zinn there has never been such thing as a "just war". That politicians and war profiteers lies? Though I guess only "their" politicians lies, not "ours".

Ah well, can't seriously wage endless wars causing deaths to millions, destruction to an entire region... can't do that without a "just cause" and "noble ideals".

 

[SirRumpole]

I guess it's their fault history's mightiest imperial power, and allies, decided to drop by to train and arm a few good Arabs against the other bad ones. And does it because that's what the good guys do.

The US also arms Australia and we haven't attacked NZ yet.

 

[luutzu]

The US also arms Australia and we haven't attacked NZ yet.

We're on our way to the Philippines. Fighting ISIS, of course. Not potentially helping Uncle Sam overthrow Duterte because he's too close to China, not willing to put his country and people on that table against China.

We've been in Iraq, Afghanistan. I think there's a few sorties over Syria. Not sure if we've been to Libya recently though. So I guess we don't send our blood and treasure to all their wars.

 

[Tisme]

Say what?

I guess it's their fault .

Of course it is. It's an absolute given and it will continue to be their fault so long as they are too lazy to take responsibility instead of flick passing it to a 6th/7th man god via skylord prayers.

 

[luutzu]

Of course it is. It's an absolute given and it will continue to be their fault so long as they are too lazy to take responsibility instead of flick passing it to a 6th/7th man god via skylord prayers.

But those that take responsibilities and join "the resistance", they're considered terrorists and get blown up. If they take their family and whatever can fit in a bag and flee, they're considered parasitic welfare chasers.

I guess the thing to do is stay put and hope they don't look like a terrorist from a drone.

 

[SirRumpole]

Islam is evil if it makes people do things like this.

Alleged aspiring Melbourne jihadist pleads guilty to brutal murder of wife in front of children

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-...-pleads-guilty-to-wifes-brutal-murder/8963658

 

[Tisme]

Islam is evil if it makes people do things like this.

Alleged aspiring Melbourne jihadist pleads guilty to brutal murder of wife in front of children

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-...-pleads-guilty-to-wifes-brutal-murder/8963658

They'll put him jail where he can groom a wider audience.

 

[SirRumpole]

They'll put him jail where he can groom a wider audience.

Indeed , big problem. They should have solitary confinement for idiots like this, no release, no Koran, no tv or internet. He will be a hero to some and he'll probably claim provocation and get parole.

 

[Tisme]

Some dumb people in the world



and checkout the comeback by Coulter LOL

 

[Tisme]

Anyone seen the video of the Bankstown Poetry Slam in Parliament House?

I'm guessing we are paying for this?

 

[newanimal]

noticed this thread for a while and finally decided to peak in but I dont have the patience to read through 154 pages. Only read through the first four. The original poster's question is premised of course on the so called "war on terror" which ramped up into full scale as response to 9/11... and that the official of who is responsible is true. I just want to ask one question here... has anybody ever heard of a "false flag operation"?

 

[luutzu]

noticed this thread for a while and finally decided to peak in but I dont have the patience to read through 154 pages. Only read through the first four. The original poster's question is premised of course on the so called "war on terror" which ramped up into full scale as response to 9/11... and that the official of who is responsible is true. I just want to ask one question here... has anybody ever heard of a "false flag operation"?

911 wasn't a false flag. Those bastards did flew them plane into those buildings.

The action that followed... the war on terror; operation Iraqi Freedom etc. Those are all false flags.

Maybe not exactly "false flag" as I read from wiki ... Just the usual way of war. Taking people's stuff under the guise of liberating savages, bringing civilisation, democracy, girl power, American candies and chocolates... The good stuff.

 

[newanimal]

I agree with all your statements above, except the first one.
17 years have passed since the event. There has accumulated an avalanche of research, investigation, evidence and testimony by professional architects, commercial pilots, engineers, ex CIA, ex military, government whistleblowers, etc. to prove that the official story is ludicrous. How much of this material have you (or anyone) honestly looked at, and by what method of reason, logic or critical thinking were you able to conclude otherwise?

 

[Wysiwyg]

17 years have passed since the event. There has accumulated an avalanche of research, investigation, evidence and testimony by professional architects, commercial pilots, engineers, ex CIA, ex military, government whistleblowers, etc. to prove that the official story is ludicrous.

Do you believe the multiple video footage of the attack is fake?

 

[newanimal]

Do you believe the multiple video footage of the attack is fake?

A good question. That's what people need to do... is to continue asking the right questions. Critical thinking and truth seeking requires suspending "belief", especially concerning many of the 'details' around 9/11 that remain unanswered.

Here's some eyewitness testimonies that suggest some interesting avenues to consider:



And below is an interview with John Lear (son of inventor of the Lear Jet) ex CIA and professional pilot.



Below is an brief excerpt of an interview of the late and very courageous film maker Aaron Russo (Trading Places w/Eddie Murphy, Dan Aykroyd) who came to the attention of a member of the Rockefeller family as a result of his last film "America:From Freedom To Fascism". Not directly related to your question, but essential viewing.



i do hope these links post as 'clickable' links

 

[newanimal]

Though many questions and details surrounding 9/11 remain unanswered, one thing is glaringly certain to professional commercial "Pilots For 9/11 Truth"... it was IMPOSSIBLE for those pilot trainee flunkies to fly those airliners (alleged commercial) into those buildings. In fact, even qualified pilots could not have.