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Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

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basilio said:
One really has to read the comments under the poll on that thread to appreciate the reality disconnect that exists in our community. Very sobering stuff.
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I did not note any support for Duncan Lewis.

Hope you read the other polls as well.......If you doubt their authenticity you will observe the vote number change when you cast your vote.......I do not see any trickery her.
 
No trickery Noco. It's crystal clear that hundreds/thousands of people just believe what they want to - regardless of facts. And like Donald Trump if they don't like the facts they create their own version of the world and dismiss the rest as fake news.

Who needs 1984 ? We're living the dream folks ...
 

REALLY!!!!!.........LMAO
 
I rather think you've been hoist by your own petard there, my virtue signalling friend.
 
I have been accused of Muslim hatred but as this video shows it is OK for Muslims to express their hatred for non Muslims right here in Australia......A young Muslim girl is forbidden to become friends with a non Muslim girl......Is it any wonder the majority of true blue Aussies have become disgusted with the Islamic movement in Australia....What are we supposed to do?....Turn the other cheek!!

https://www.facebook.com/
 

Noco! Who one is saying there are no nutjobs or racists or religious fanatics or terrorists among Muslims. No one is saying that there are teachings in Islam that's sexist, a bit airy fairy - it's a religion, all religion have that, still do.

So when you go and list crimes and abuses Muslims commit... yea, of course. It's horrible and uncivilised and un-Australian, whatever that mean.

But you got to also ask yourself, are there no pure White Aussie who's also racist, also religiously nut, also genocidal, also think that Christ is the only Lord and that God is the only one without anyone else before him, that we should all convert to their religion?

Just as no one can excuse Muslims' or anyone's verbal and physical abuses; can't excuse maiming and killing of people... you can't excuse the "good" killing by properly uniformed armies but call the killing of terrorist "bad" because it's against us. They're all equally bad!

It's freaking horrible seeing the children of Manchester being killed so senselessly like that. There's just no excuse for it. But to put that on anyone beside the terrorists themselves, to blame an entire religion or people... that's where being called a racist and anti-Muslim comes in.

Maybe take a look at how many hospitals, or villages, or dead beautiful babies the coalition of the liberators have been involved in recently. I guess they deserve it because their religion is this and that.
 

How many Christian motivated suicide bombers have there been recently, and how many people have they killed ?
 
SirRumpole said:
How many Christian motivated suicide bombers have there been recently, and how many people have they killed ?
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There's that dude in the US who was being abusive towards two Muslim/African girls, then stab to death two other Americans who tried to stop him from being abusive.

Not sure if he'd consider himself Christian but yea.

Thing is this... we think that terrorists do their killings and murder because Islam told them to. Is it? Allah and Mohammad says to go kill white and christian people? Or did they say something like "defend your country; kill those who invade" etc.

Do we really need a holy book or a God to tell us to do that?

I read the headline's blurp that the Manchester terrorist's sister said he wanted to kill because he went to Libya and saw so many children being killed, seeing death everywhere there.

Again, that's not justifying his murder. Just a fact that people generally do not like other people kicking down their doors, kill their people and take their resources.

Some would suck it up, carry on, pick up the pieces and feed family members who's not yet dead. Others will join whoever can give them a gun against their enemy.

We're a bit delusional to think that we can invade countries, take their stuff and they should be civilised and grateful for our liberation, democracy and movies.

Look at it from the Libyan, or the ordinary Iraqi, or any ordinary folks in the Middle East... Do they see Western democracies as secular or do they see it as "Christian" crusaders. So when we flatten their cities, drive their people into refugee camps...

You know what's strange, from my own family's experiences, there really is no hatred for the western people. Strange but the peasants and savages tend to understand and appreciate that wars are ordered and organised by warlords and big men of destiny... that the people themselves have nothing to do with it beside being collateral damage or forced into battle.

Some of us in the West think that terrorists and dictators somehow represent the entire people and religion.

Anyway... it's a bit much to hear all these victimised, we're weak but powerful, we're invading countries but we're pacifists and more noble nonsense.
 

Sounds a lot like it to me.

Who is invading whom ?

The government in Syria is ruled by Syrians, Iraqis rule Iraq, Afghans rule Afghanistan.

If they ask others for help to repel barbarians like ISIS or the Taliban should we tell them to get stuffed ?
 

Ever heard of the phrase "Arab fascade"? Look it up. It's an actual colonial operation model the British Empire used in the Middle East, then the American Empire took over.

What you do is, you get a few Muslim and make him and his family the ruler. Be they the Shah, the Sheikh, or just your typical Colonel or General. Then they do what you want them to do - or else.

Karzai of Afghanistan was its president after the US take out the Taliban yes? They installed him. Guess why he's off retiring somewhere? Because he dare tell Obama and the US that maybe, maybe don't kill so many civilians and invest in some infrastructure in the country beside the military outposts and camps.

He's lucky he didn't get an accident. Got to keep his title and his palace, just no more power - it's transferred to another guy by a different title.

Was ISIS around when we went into Iraqi for WMD, for freedom?

John McCain just said yesterday that Russia and Putin is a greater threat to the US and the world than ISIS. He isn't kidding either - Russia can actually fight back and nuke the place. ISIS can only murder a few people at a time. Something our great leaders seem to be fine with in their calculations.


mmmm... we have no problem telling refugees to get stuffed. So what's the problem with telling warlords the same when "they asked us" to help invade their country and overthrow their government.
 
luutzu said:
Ever heard of the phrase "Arab fascade"? Look it up. It's an actual colonial operation model the British Empire used in the Middle East, then the American Empire took over.
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The past is the past, it's irrelevant to today.
 
SirRumpole said:
The past is the past, it's irrelevant to today.
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It's still happening, right now.

Colonialism in the ME ain't over 'til the oil does. Even when the oil runs dry, Afghanistan has crap loads of minerals. Great for batteries and whatnot.
 
luutzu said:
It's still happening, right now.

Colonialism in the ME ain't over 'til the oil does. Even when the oil runs dry, Afghanistan has crap loads of minerals. Great for batteries and whatnot.
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So if these dudes are worried about "their" countries being invaded, why aren't they out there fighting ISIS, not people who are also fighting ISIS ?
 
SirRumpole said:
So if these dudes are worried about "their" countries being invaded, why aren't they out there fighting ISIS, not people who are also fighting ISIS ?
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They are.

Most of the guys fighting ISIS in Mosul for the past few months are Iraqi soldiers.

If we are to believe Assad, he's also fighting ISIS. If we're to believe the Saudis, they not at all funding ISIS and got them going. Guess who's best buddies with them?

Anyway, maybe to most Muslims and Arabs, their having any say in war and peace is just as much as any of us have any say to our government.

We're generally good peaceful people. Just all these wars and imperialism stuff... we have no say because our great leaders knows best and have to make the tough decisions of sending other people's kids to fight and die for it.
 
Tagging on to the late discussion about Israel:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-way-ticket-face-indefinite-stay-prison.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/24/israel1

Not so innocent after all. Not that I have anything against Jews and definitely not saying Muslims are better. My view has always been a religious groups of any kind definitely have a proclivity for racism.

Secular states such as some Asian states, Central/North European exhibit a magnitude lower incidence of intolerance, racism and violence than religious states. This is a fact that cannot be denied.

See below chart as well. The country we can consider as the most religiously strict - India and some ME states are also the most racist in the world:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html
 

Not sure why they don't see the irony with all these purity business given what happened to their people during WW2.
 
Tony Abbot said:
“We need to ensure that every returning Jihadi can readily be charged and convicted, possibly through the creation of special courts that can hear evidence that may not normally be admissible."
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Actually, I don't think we should bother with courts.

There are any number of people being held under the Mental Health Act because they are considered a danger to themselves or others. Surely anyone belonging to or supporting murderers like ISIS could be considered insane and likely to harm themselves or others and could be locked up under the existing provisions of the Mental Health Act untill such time as they are considered no longer a threat to society.
 
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