Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

Dunno man, what's Vietnamese for dog ?

Ey, we're an equal-opportunity eater.

Seriously though, dog is only sometime eaten by men when they drink. It's not a staple. And they do not eat their own dog either, it's farmed. Not sure how they could have their own dog, raised it, but then eat other dogs... anyway.

Recently heard that some VNese tourist came over and buy dog food from woolies thinking it's "dog food".
Dam savages.

 

[SirRumpole]

Ey, we're an equal-opportunity eater.

So you eat cats as well ?

 

[luutzu]

So you eat cats as well ?

I never heard any one eating cats.

Poor country man. Eat anything you can I guess.

A very nice street-food are the water snails. For about $AUD1 you can get a bow. Dip in fish sauce, ginger, chilly, a cool beer. Hard to beat.

Tried some snail while in Paris and there's just no comparison. A dozen snail there costs about 20Euro, which is a lot of money. Came out and it's all drowned in butter.

 

[wayneL]

Have you lost your cultural identity to any of the coloured folks beside the Muslims?

It's still pretty White and as Australian as can be I reckon Sifu.

People of minority background will, as a matter of survival and employment, adapt to the dominant culture. That applies to any country.

Do they really need to completely assimilate, completely forget their cultural heritage? Not really.

From personal experience, I'd be very wary of those who forget their heritage too fast on purpose. They tend to do well though, amusing the White people does have its rewards

But yea, I know a few Asian who actually change their nippy name to a completely English name - surname included. One was married to a Korean, the Korean wasn't "worthy" enough because he's a poor working salesman while she's a lawyer.

Divorced the guy but wanted to keep his surname because apparently a Korean surname is more valuable than a Vietnamese one. Then got married to a proper White guy, same profession, and assimilation complete.

So be careful what you ask for. Might end up with a bunch of fakers whose value is not so much your value, but simply going along to get along.

Let's not embellish to unilaterally transmogrify my point into something else, Grasshopper.

The thing with most Asians is they come here because they want what we've got. They bring their own flavour and keep elements of their own culture, but don't try to change ours. We willingly partake in it at our choice. They celebrate Chinese new year for example, and we have fun being part of that if we want to. Most Asians don't touch up our women or call them whores for showing a little cleavage, they don't want to set up their own system of law, and they don't become offended by Christmas and they don't have a problem shaking the hands of schoolgirls. etc etc

That's pretty cool IMO. It's symbiotic.

I will concede that most Muslims *at the moment* are pretty much the same and integrate the same way.

But even you, Grasshopper, must concede that Islam has elements within it that are at odds with the above values. They do want to change our culture even if against our will. They would wish to enforce Ramadan etc. They touch up our women and call them whores for showing a little cleavage, they do want to set up their own system of law, and they do become offended by Christmas and they do have a problem shaking the hands of schoolgirls.

....and that's not just us whitefella, it applies to you Asians too

So back at ya, Grasshopper. You should be careful what you wish for.

 

[Tisme]

....and that's not just us whitefella, it applies to you Asians too

I think luutzu is more Australian than Asian.

In China the policy is to punish Islamic empire building by punishing radical behaviour and playing the victim. If there is a whiff of trying to spread the religion in the region they respond by:

enforcing bans on Ramadan
fining people ~$400 for wearing hijabs

There is an permanent outlaw on the prohibition of smoking, alcohol and halal food, with legislation enabling and demanding associated shopkeepers sell cigarettes, alcohol and non halal so they can't be bullied by religious nutters.

Of course there are stories of whole populations being long marched into obscurity.

 

[Junior]

They touch up our women and call them whores for showing a little cleavage, they do want to set up their own system of law, and they do become offended by Christmas and they do have a problem shaking the hands of schoolgirls.

I just don't see or experience any of this in Australia. I've never, ever heard of anyone personally experiencing any of these occurrences here. It just feels like a total fear campaign, media beat up.

Domestic violence, drink driving, meth addiction, youth unemployment in regional areas....these issues are much, much larger and more real (and worthy of attention) to me than this perceived threat that Sharia law is going to somehow be imposed on the 98% of Australians who are not of Muslim background. How is Sharia law going to be imposed?? By whom and what army?? Are 'they' infiltrating our political system, military, police force? No, no and no.

The likes of Andrew Bolt are thriving on this fear.....more people tuning in to hear his rantings, more votes for Pauline, selling more newspapers. Is any of it real or are we so comfortable and wealthy in this country that we have nothing better to worry about?

 

[SirRumpole]

I just don't see or experience any of this in Australia. I've never, ever heard of anyone personally experiencing any of these occurrences here. It just feels like a total fear campaign, media beat up.

As much as you can believe the Daily Telegraph, read this.

If it's true it's shocking.

Sacked Punchbowl High School principal had Muslims-only plan: police
YONI BASHAN, The Sunday Telegraph
March 5, 2017 7:37am
Subscriber only

• Principal and deputy removed from high school
• Police feared radicalisation under school principal

THE recently sacked principal of Punchbowl Boys High School allegedly planned to only allow Muslim students into the public school.

Police said principal Chris Griffiths, a convert to Islam, had come to their attention because he had been alienating non-Muslim teachers with his Muslim-only plan.

He had also allegedly stifled police efforts to enter the school and monitor prayer sessions held on its grounds.

Punchbowl Boys High School principal Chris Griffiths had been alienating non-Muslims and planned to turn the school into and Islamic only campus.
“The view was that the principal was trying to turn it into an Islamic only school,” a law enforcement official said.

“In doing so (he) was alienating non-Muslim teachers and efforts by others, like the (police) liaison officers.”

“We were concerned about him and some of his rhetoric,” said a law enforcement official, citing Mr Griffiths’ tendency to keep officers in the dark, especially about what was being taught during prayer sessions.

Mr Griffiths was unable to be reached for comment.
“It was difficult to know what was going on. We had a good relationships with that school previously.”

The official confirmed that police community liaison officers had been unable to access the school for the past 2½ years.

It is routine for police to attend schools and sometimes prayer sessions.

Officers said they had found Mr Griffiths’ “rhetoric” a concern, including descriptions of police officers as pigs, and his apparent alienation of some staff including female employees.

Police said access had not been a problem at other schools such as Epping Boys High School, where one student was investigated for extremist preaching and another, a former student, was arrested in relation to a terrorism plot.

Mr Griffiths was appointed principal of Punchbowl Boys High School in late 2015, taking over from Jihad Dib, who famously turned around the school’s gang-ridden image.

An investigation by the NSW Department of Education, prompted by a number of teacher complaints, culminated in Mr Griffiths’ removal last week.

One of the complaints was that female teachers were barred from taking part in official events.

Mr Griffiths was unable to be reached for comment.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/86a94f3075546f69e28ffd461e86354f

Another Murdoch publication, but one with a high reputation saying basically the same as the Telegraph.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...p/news-story/b41b4e1c1dd9205d19162836c2173179

 

[luutzu]

Let's not embellish to unilaterally transmogrify my point into something else, Grasshopper.

The thing with most Asians is they come here because they want what we've got. They bring their own flavour and keep elements of their own culture, but don't try to change ours. We willingly partake in it at our choice. They celebrate Chinese new year for example, and we have fun being part of that if we want to. Most Asians don't touch up our women or call them whores for showing a little cleavage, they don't want to set up their own system of law, and they don't become offended by Christmas and they don't have a problem shaking the hands of schoolgirls. etc etc

That's pretty cool IMO. It's symbiotic.

I will concede that most Muslims *at the moment* are pretty much the same and integrate the same way.

But even you, Grasshopper, must concede that Islam has elements within it that are at odds with the above values. They do want to change our culture even if against our will. They would wish to enforce Ramadan etc. They touch up our women and call them whores for showing a little cleavage, they do want to set up their own system of law, and they do become offended by Christmas and they do have a problem shaking the hands of schoolgirls.

....and that's not just us whitefella, it applies to you Asians too

So back at ya, Grasshopper. You should be careful what you wish for.

I have never seen or heard such things being done by "them" Sifu. And I live among them barbarians.

If I don't know better, I'd reckon it's Uncle Rupee's way of selling papers, entertain his readers with horror stories, and sell wars on Muslims around the world.

My house was broken into by a couple of Muslim guys, while we were in bed. That was scary.

But there are thieves, they have them in all cultures. Can't blame others for what some who look like them do.

 

[wayneL]

I just don't see or experience any of this in Australia. I've never, ever heard of anyone personally experiencing any of these occurrences here. It just feels like a total fear campaign, media beat up.

Domestic violence, drink driving, meth addiction, youth unemployment in regional areas....these issues are much, much larger and more real (and worthy of attention) to me than this perceived threat that Sharia law is going to somehow be imposed on the 98% of Australians who are not of Muslim background. How is Sharia law going to be imposed?? By whom and what army?? Are 'they' infiltrating our political system, military, police force? No, no and no.

The likes of Andrew Bolt are thriving on this fear.....more people tuning in to hear his rantings, more votes for Pauline, selling more newspapers. Is any of it real or are we so comfortable and wealthy in this country that we have nothing better to worry about?

Perhaps not so much here yet, but it is something that happens on Sydney beaches.

In Europe it iscommon and well documented.

 

[luutzu]

I think luutzu is more Australian than Asian.

In China the policy is to punish Islamic empire building by punishing radical behaviour and playing the victim. If there is a whiff of trying to spread the religion in the region they respond by:

enforcing bans on Ramadan
fining people ~$400 for wearing hijabs

There is an permanent outlaw on the prohibition of smoking, alcohol and halal food, with legislation enabling and demanding associated shopkeepers sell cigarettes, alcohol and non halal so they can't be bullied by religious nutters.

Of course there are stories of whole populations being long marched into obscurity.

Punishing the radicals then play the victims... sounds familiar. See how all similar we all are?

Ask any properly educated Chinese and they'll tell you that China has never, ever, invaded any country. That the Great Wall was built to keep the barbarians out, not to expand the empire, I mean, country.

And they say that with a straight face too. I mean, there's over 100 ethnic minorities among the Han Chinese, but China had never invaded anyone.

 

[luutzu]

Perhaps not so much here yet, but it is something that happens on Sydney beaches.

In Europe it iscommon and well documented.

With time spent beating their many wives, then cheat welfare before going to Mosques to pray five times a day... where's the time and money to plan on taking over the world Sifu?

Saudi Arabia and practically all ME emirates are ruled by religious nuts with no regards for human rights or freedom or anything. Guess what world liberator and democracy builder are best friends with them? Selling them arms, training their troops, taking the jets for a spin and dropping a few bombs to show them how it's done...

The current "war on terror" is not about Christian value, clash of civilisation or good vs evil. It's just old fashioned imperial domination and looting.

And these looting does not benefit the plebs back home anyway. Look at the US... they're sending in poor working class kids with little hope beside joining the army and if survive, maybe get a discounted education [they've since remove the GI Bill to offer free education, I think].

Then spent hundreds of billions of taxpayers money, taking those cash out of funds for education, health, road, clean water... Then use them billions as giveaways to arm merchants and war profiteers like Haliburton.

Kill a bunch of people, send in private corporations to take the oil, keep the profit but pay no taxes.

If we're being realistic and forget about the hundreds of thousands being dead, millions in famine and all living in constant fear in warzones... the plebs in the empire are paying a very high price in selling their soul.

Lao Tzu [?] says, be careful and change your ways lest you end up where you're going.
Sun Tzu says, there has never been an example of a country benefiting from protracted warfare.

So our master planners in the West are thinking it's sensible, and obviously moral, to spend over a trillion a year for the next hundred years to "fight evil" and "bring freedom" to Arabs we mainly hate.

Sounds good, let's do that! Freeeeedommmmmmm. Yea!

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Know what was the last straw that broke the Qing Empire's back? From mighty Qing ruling over most of Asia to being so sick they can't even stand a few gunboats from the Barbarians?

A few generations of corruption and looting from the public. Sending most of the people into poverty, hunger and rebellion. Then when the barbarians came, the Son of Heaven thought to maybe change its way but grandma and her eunuchs thought otherwise so she uses money for the Navy to rennovate her Summer Place and necessities like carving a double decker pleasure boat out of one piece of marble.

Anyway

 

[wayneL]

With time spent beating their many wives, then cheat welfare before going to Mosques to pray five times a day... where's the time and money to plan on taking over the world Sifu?

Saudi Arabia and practically all ME emirates are ruled by religious nuts with no regards for human rights or freedom or anything. Guess what world liberator and democracy builder are best friends with them? Selling them arms, training their troops, taking the jets for a spin and dropping a few bombs to show them how it's done...

The current "war on terror" is not about Christian value, clash of civilisation or good vs evil. It's just old fashioned imperial domination and looting.

And these looting does not benefit the plebs back home anyway. Look at the US... they're sending in poor working class kids with little hope beside joining the army and if survive, maybe get a discounted education [they've since remove the GI Bill to offer free education, I think].

Then spent hundreds of billions of taxpayers money, taking those cash out of funds for education, health, road, clean water... Then use them billions as giveaways to arm merchants and war profiteers like Haliburton.

Kill a bunch of people, send in private corporations to take the oil, keep the profit but pay no taxes.

If we're being realistic and forget about the hundreds of thousands being dead, millions in famine and all living in constant fear in warzones... the plebs in the empire are paying a very high price in selling their soul.

Lao Tzu [?] says, be careful and change your ways lest you end up where you're going.
Sun Tzu says, there has never been an example of a country benefiting from protracted warfare.

So our master planners in the West are thinking it's sensible, and obviously moral, to spend over a trillion a year for the next hundred years to "fight evil" and "bring freedom" to Arabs we mainly hate.

Sounds good, let's do that! Freeeeedommmmmmm. Yea!

----------

Know what was the last straw that broke the Qing Empire's back? From mighty Qing ruling over most of Asia to being so sick they can't even stand a few gunboats from the Barbarians?

A few generations of corruption and looting from the public. Sending most of the people into poverty, hunger and rebellion. Then when the barbarians came, the Son of Heaven thought to maybe change its way but grandma and her eunuchs thought otherwise so she uses money for the Navy to rennovate her Summer Place and necessities like carving a double decker pleasure boat out of one piece of marble.

Anyway

Im not without sympathy to your point of view ther, but all that is a completely separate issue, Grasshopper.... a red herring drawn across the topic of the thread.

 

[noco]

This what is happening in Birmingham UK and will happen here in Australia if not stopped by a strong leader.

 

[luutzu]

This what is happening in Birmingham UK and will happen here in Australia if not stopped by a strong leader.

He look like a Muslim and seem to be against ISIS and terrorism. So.... all Muslims are terrorists?

He seem to be saying that wife shouldn't be beaten or force to stay at home. Sooo... all Muslims are wife beaters?

Oh, you're trying to say that even a Muslim recognise the evilness of "their people" and their "religion" so called.


One thing he might have conveniently left out about why young Muslim kids might be radicalised, beside their religion and possibly defective gene prone to violence of course... Muslims aren't well represented at universities, over-represented in prison population; living in ghettos and ghettos are where most terrorists comes out of.

So recognising those facts, it's pretty amazing that he just don't link or think that maybe it's possible kids in such hopeless condition might be vulnerable to terrorism.

That's not to excuse it, just a fact that alienated people; people who tend to be locked up, have no job, can't afford an education, being seen as a potential terrorist anyway... that kind of factors might easily take them over into the dark side.

Give them a bit of education, a job with a microphone and who knows, they too might start beating up on poor impoverish Muslims.

 

[luutzu]

Im not without sympathy to your point of view ther, but all that is a completely separate issue, Grasshopper.... a red herring drawn across the topic of the thread.

How is that a red herring?

It just proves that "we" don't go over there liberating anybody. Just imperial adventures. Nothing to do with good vs evil (where we're the good guys of course).

It shows that this war on terrorism isn't about the West vs Islam either. That as long as the despots and tyrants do what we like, they're our best friends. The moment they figured the Chinese or the Russians might give them a better deal, we take them out. And we take out tyrants regardless of their religion or colour.

Now... the Muslims who managed to escape that kind of dictatorship and religious nutjobberies, or who are lucky enough to be born into a somewhat free society... maybe they prefer to live free rather than being forced and butchered by religious and tyrannical nutjobs.

Maybe?

 

[Tisme]

I have never seen or heard such things being done by "them" Sifu. And I live among them barbarians.

If I don't know better, I'd reckon it's Uncle Rupee's way of selling papers, entertain his readers with horror stories, and sell wars on Muslims around the world.

My house was broken into by a couple of Muslim guys, while we were in bed. That was scary.

But there are thieves, they have them in all cultures. Can't blame others for what some who look like them do.

You don't remember these:?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

 

[SirRumpole]

You don't remember these:?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

I haven't seen any comment by the apologists about the Punchbowl high school affair either.

 

[luutzu]

You don't remember these:?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

I don't keep track of crimes and what the criminal's ethnicity is.

I know we live in the era of Trump where it sounds like a great idea to register crimes committed by Muslims and other (non-White) ethnic groups. Seems a bit racist to me.

 

[luutzu]

Guess why King Bibi recently drop by the Southern Land.

 

[Junior]

The Punchbowl affair and Sydney gang rapes are rancid crimes. No one here would defend or support those acts in any way.

You can post endless links to crimes committed by ethnic/religious group of all kinds in Australia. It doesn't mean cutting off immigration from specific countries or banning certain religions, just because there are a very small percentage of criminals or extremists amongst their ranks.

Deport, lock up, punish and shutdown criminals and extremists.

If we target and discriminate against all Muslims we are alienating half a million people....and potentially driving more individuals into the hands of extremists. Seems counter-productive.