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McLovin, once you start with this Protestant slave owner rubbish, I am not listening.
Yes, he was ONE of the Founding Fathers of the US Constitution, would be enough.
It is the same as the ones that wanted Rhodes gone, but happy to take on the scholarship, imv.
Half of them owned slaves. Of the over 200 signatories, seven were Catholic (rest assured there were no Jews or Muslims). Protestant, slave owners seems pretty apt.
It's no accident of history that it took almost 200 years for the United States to elect a Catholic as President. If you want to get misty eyed over sectarianism, go for your life. It seems odd for a Catholic to want to go back to an era when you faced so much discrimination.
I'm not too sure what it is you have an issue with?
That Donald Trump will "transform America back to its origins". As though everything that has happened since 1776 was a step backwards. America wasn't beer and skittles back then, unless you were a WASP.
I guess if it means Macy's puts "Merry Christmas" in its display windows then there's no too high a price.
Thanks for your reply, McLovin, on the Christian origins of the US Constitution, and their Founding Fathers who set up that country on
Life and Liberty etc
As I have said about our own country, our Christian heritage is our foundations.
Sadly, nothing has been taught about our History in the public education department, but thankfully, ASF keeps people updated.
Just as they established the separation of Church and State, so did we.
And part of this separation, was to avoid tyranny, that the State would not impose on the people.
Small governments.
This was about Christmas, and its Christian origins, which was pointed out that it now no longer has its Christian heritage that the Founding Fathers established.
Just my views.
But if the Church was separated from the State at its founding, how does all the awesomeness that follow be due to the Church? It was separated. Its power and influence castrated. It was cast aside.
Because there is a distinction between state political and individual spiritually ethical persuasions. It is an undeniable truth that British Christianity in it's matured state in the 1700s was the catalyst for the US desire for freedoms it has tried to engender in its and consequently the Australian political agenda. British Christianity is Anglican (Evangelical in the US), Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, etc that all took a different separation of state and spiritual path than Europe after the regicidal and brutally anti catholic rule of Oliver Cromwell. The people who constructed the US and Australian constitution were ethically washed in Christianity.
OK. So when did the good work of the Church stop and the nasty business of imperialism begin?
Can't really just claim the good bits but blame the bad bits on a few bad actors. Can we?
Seeing how the Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Romans... have all done Empire pretty well before Christ was immaculately conceived. Maybe Christianity is just another tool great men of destiny uses to control and conquer.
Maybe all these "PC" about Happy Holidays instead of Happy Jesus' Birthday has all to do with merchants and creative capitalists figuring that they can sell more stuff if the other 6/7th of the world's population got into the act of celebrating peace and giving, lots and lots of (buying and) giving.
Sir John Hawkins started the Brits into the slave trade, which ended up a monopoly venture, supplying all the other european empire colonies in the New World.
The British started the protest against slavery in the 1770's, which obviously caused the American Colonists to have conniptions. The South Carolina rice plantation owners went into overdrive and enlisted the Royal Courts of Russia and France to give impetus to a quick secession, things like the Boston Tea party were symptoms of mass hysteria whipped up by the wealthy slavers. The British Empire made laws forbidding Britons to participate in slave trading in 1807 and outlawed it in the Emancipation Act of 1833.
I don't know of many Empires that would equal the British one and I'm not too sure any of the others had the social conscience to invent an unstoppable industrial revolution, encourage science and innovation without religious interference, emancipate slaves, empower and universally educate the working class, give rule of law and parliament to the world.
You seem to fixate on a 400 year seemingly brutality that by comparison to their contemporary European counterparts was sublime and by any measure was far less barbarian than the cultures they subdued. You only have to look at how the Islamic thugs behave to get a glimpse of primitives who need civilising. Romanticising of cultures only a few generations back as somehow benign and benevolent being victimised by whitey are fanciful by any measure.... it wasn't that long ago that our Christian educated Australians freed the sub continent from Japanese warlords who enjoyed the genocide of Chinese cities and the brutal enslavement and indiscriminate mass killing and torture of SE Asian peasants, far worse than the dick4ea9 French.
A bit too early in the year for this kind of rationalisation isn't it Captain Arthur McGee? Shouldn't we save these for Australia Day, or the Queen's Birthday perhaps?
I just need to know pragmatism is winning out over revisionist histories. Don't want you going all radicalised and carphologistic.
You're clutching at straws, noco;So why was the emphasis placed on HAPPY HOLIDAYS and not Merry Xmas....Very crafty left wing tactic....Kate Ellis is a Fabian so therefore she would be an atheist and they would do anything to remove religion from our society.
I guess you would have been hoodwinked with Labor's MEDISCARE like a lot of other gullible people.You're clutching at straws, noco;
"She is a Fabian, so she must be an atheist and do her worst to harm religious people."
Turn it around to describe the nazi that started the kerfuffle, and it becomes
"He pretends to be a Christian, so he hates everybody not paying lip service to his ideas and tries his worst to find excuses for splashing mud." What a true Christian attitude!
PS: Some well-meaning, but gullible friend of mine fell for the fake as well and forwarded the hate email to me today. Proves how easily simple folks can be hoodwinked and made to believe absolute BS. Yet it's so easy to get to the truth. All it takes is a healthy dose of skepticism and asking yourself "Who might have an interest in spreading this piece of manure?" When in doubt, Google!
I guess you would have been hoodwinked with Labor's MEDISCARE like a lot of other gullible people.
When out pointed, try the diversionary tactic.
PC did go too far, now we have nationalism breeding as a result of pushing people to the edges of the spectrum.
The world is a bit of a tinder box of hatred right now.
Russia's ultra right basically has Nazis attacking and killing immigrants. They have no qualms in pushing the "white is right" motto.
The Russian people fanatically love Putin, with that shade of Hitler feel.
Philippines leader is a certified nutball murdering junkies, drug dealers and anyone that gets in the way. Also decided to join in on Russian military exercises.
American's have the "alt" right gaining momentum. With a trump win- the worst the right has to offer has crawled emboldened from under their rocks.
And here we have the idiotic 'one nation' trying to form coherent and offensive sentences, but nevertheless gaining momentum in parliament.
I didn't even mention China, Europe or the middle East.
The left and right moderates will need to come together in the center. The extremes on either side seems to be filling to fast. Better Governing from our PM is a must.
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