Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[basilio]

One effort to help people buy less stuff.
And the challenges it brings.
'Right to repair' regulation necessary, say small businesses and environmentalists
ABC Capricornia
By Jemima Burt
Posted about 7 hours ago

Photo: At 'repair cafes' in Sydney, people can get help to fix anything from electronics to furniture. (Supplied: Bower Reuse and Repair Centre)
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Australian proponents of the 'right to repair' movement say the environment, consumers and small business are suffering without regulation.

An Australian environmental charity has celebrated Clean Up Australia Day weekend by opening a new facility to help members of the public repair electronics.

The Bower Reuse and Repair Centre is a Sydney-based not-for-profit, which provides facilities and guidance for people to fix, rather than discard, goods.

Manager Guido Verbist, one of the volunteers behind the 20-year-old charity, said today's disposable society had significant environmental implications.

"A powerful business model that the industry has been pushing is that they want you to buy new rather than hold on to your old items," Mr Verbist said.

"That's creating many problems, as you know, in terms of waste and pollution.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-03/does-australia-need-a-right-to-repair/10864852

 

[Ann]

One effort to help people buy less stuff.
And the challenges it brings.
'Right to repair' regulation necessary, say small businesses and environmentalists
ABC Capricornia
By Jemima Burt
Posted about 7 hours ago

Photo: At 'repair cafes' in Sydney, people can get help to fix anything from electronics to furniture. (Supplied: Bower Reuse and Repair Centre)
Related Story: It's my tractor and I'll do what I want to — farmers spearhead 'right to repair' fight
Related Story: Tractor-hacking farmers in the US fight for right to repair
Australian proponents of the 'right to repair' movement say the environment, consumers and small business are suffering without regulation.

An Australian environmental charity has celebrated Clean Up Australia Day weekend by opening a new facility to help members of the public repair electronics.

The Bower Reuse and Repair Centre is a Sydney-based not-for-profit, which provides facilities and guidance for people to fix, rather than discard, goods.

Manager Guido Verbist, one of the volunteers behind the 20-year-old charity, said today's disposable society had significant environmental implications.

"A powerful business model that the industry has been pushing is that they want you to buy new rather than hold on to your old items," Mr Verbist said.

"That's creating many problems, as you know, in terms of waste and pollution.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-03/does-australia-need-a-right-to-repair/10864852

My Braun blender's motor burnt out recently. I found a place to repair it as the housing and bowl are fine all it needs is a new armature. I am hoping they will be able to get a spare part. I doubt I am going to be saving any money but it is the principle of repair, re-use, re-purpose, recycle. It is great to know a good small appliance repairman, it means things can be repaired and not end up as landfill.

I think your article is great Bas! I love this concept.

 

[Smurf1976]

I can see a point about "buying something being part of the problem". But frankly re engineering our world to live within our ecological footprint as well as undoing the disasters we have already created will require massive investment. But we certainly need less stuff in our lives..

Random examples which come to mind:

*Knocking down perfectly good houses just because they're 50 years old and built from brick, a durable material, and not the current fashion of rendered blueboard which requires ongoing maintenance.

*Throwing out a perfectly good phone because the new one comes with a different means of connecting headphones or some other trivial change. Even cars these days are becoming throw away items.

*Lots of people seemingly wanting airlines to provide more space between seats whilst overlooking the financial and emissions benefits of cramming as many people as possible onto the plane thus meaning fewer flights in total.

And so on. Consumption for the sake of it isn't going to help the planet.

 

[Darc Knight]

I was reading how a lot of these GW models have under estimated how bad how fast things are gunna get.
Another day over 30 for Brisbane. Can't wait for next Summer

 

[satanoperca]

Why repair when it is cheaper to buy new and exploit the labor from overseas, we are all guilty of it, where are the cloths that you have on today made?. Throw the old in the bin and get a new one, rinse and repeat, with the exception of where does the old appliance end up and how much energy and damage to the environment did the new take to make? Answer, very few people care.

The only answer to GW is reduce the global population, that would mean global growth would take a hit, not going to happen.

I cannot see anything changing, this is the same cycle that has been around since life forms existed on this planet.

Fast forward beyond this forum and 100 years, humans will have f--cked the planet, they will perish but some will survive and the cycle will start again.

Really, all we are experiencing is evolution turbo charged.

 

[Darc Knight]

"Fast forward 100 years" ......."Some will survive"?
Some of these CC sites are talking mere decades before Humans are extinct. I assume some are alarmists, but this Permafrost melt sounds BAD, particularly the Methane increase already.

 

[explod]

I was right to suggest we party, had hoped it was wrong but a scientist I personally know told me two years back we only had five years (3 years now)before catastrophes really hit. He was right.:-

"As recently as a year ago, when I explored worst-case scenarios for climate change, alarmism of this kind was considered anathema to many scientists, who believed that storytelling that focused on the scary possibilities was just as damaging to public engagement as denial. There have been a few scary developments in climate research over the past year — more methane from Arctic lakes and permafrost than expected, which could accelerate warming; an unprecedented heat wave, arctic wildfires, and hurricanes rolling through both of the world’s major oceans this past summer. But by and large the consensus is the same: We are on track for four degrees of warming, more than twice as much as most scientists believe is possible to endure without inflicting climate suffering on hundreds of millions or threatening at least parts of the social and political infrastructure we call, grandly, “civilization.” The only thing that changed, this week, is that the scientists, finally, have hit the panic button."

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018...tiRG09O3177K_q8hYLoYG-Y50bOjncJAJZBzJz_jj96Ro

 

[basilio]

The overwhelming challenge of Global Heating is... devastating. Explod suggest "Lets Party" . I recognise that sentiment and to be fair it is one that us older people can take given we have had full lives. (But as we do it we realise our children and grandchildren are bearing thebrunt of our collective failure.)

In that context it's worth looking at how a single, very obscure, Swedish school girl has recognised the coming disaster and refused to look away.

At least hear her story.

Greta Thunberg, schoolgirl climate change warrior: ‘Some people can let things go. I can’t’
Jonathan Watts
The G2 interview
Greta Thunberg

One day last summer, aged 15, she skipped school, sat down outside the Swedish parliament – and inadvertently kicked off a global movement


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Greta Thunberg … ‘I have always been that girl in the back who doesn’t say anything.’ Photograph: Michael Campanella/The Guardian
Greta Thunberg cut a frail and lonely figure when she started a school strike for the climate outside the Swedish parliament building last August. Her parents tried to dissuade her. Classmates declined to join. Passersby expressed pity and bemusement at the sight of the then unknown 15-year-old sitting on the cobblestones with a hand-painted banner.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-warrior-some-people-can-let-things-go-i-cant

 

[basilio]

There have been many discussions about the totally foreseeable consequences of global heating. Widespread flooding, multiple extreme weather events, long term changes to local climates, complete upheaval in ecosystems.

What possible effect could any of this have on the economy ?!

The latest person to join the dots and make clear "What effect this could have on the economy " is the Reserve Bank Deputy Governor. Perhaps it's having a look at one's share portfolio in this light ?

Climate change poses risk to Australia's financial stability, warns RBA deputy governor
Guy Debelle urges policymakers and business to address global warming as a trend rather than a temporary weather cycle

Katharine Murphy Political editor


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Reserve Bank of Australia deputy governor Guy Debelle warned that ‘companies that generate significant pollution might face reputational damage or legal liability from their activities’. Photograph: David Moir/AAP
A deputy governor of Australia’s central bank has issued a stark warning that climate change poses risks to financial stability, noting that warming needs to be thought of by policymakers and business as a trend and not a cyclical event.

As a debate over coal and energy fractures the Morrison government, Guy Debelle warned a forum hosted by the Centre for Policy Development on Tuesday that climate change created risks for Australia’s financial stability in a number of different ways.

“For example, insurers may face large, unanticipated payouts because of climate change-related property damage and business losses,” he said. “In some cases businesses and households could lose access to insurance.

“Companies that generate significant pollution might face reputational damage or legal liability from their activities, and changes to regulation could cause previously valuable assets to become uneconomic.


“All of these consequences could precipitate sharp adjustments in asset prices, which would have consequences for financial stability.”

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...financial-stability-warns-rba-deputy-governor

 

[basilio]

And the heat goes on...
Queensland heat records for March broken as state's south-east soars above 40C
Gatton, Beaudesert and Archerfield among towns with record-breaking maximum temperatures for the month

Lisa Cox

Wed 13 Mar 2019 06.04 GMT Last modified on Wed 13 Mar 2019 06.05 GMT

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The bureau of meteorology says the heatwave in Queensland is partly due to an inland surface trough pulling hot air from the interior of the continent further east. Photograph: Tracey Nearmy/AAP
Multiple Queensland heat records have been broken for March, with some areas recording temperatures of more than 10 degrees above their average maximum.

Highs of 40C or more in the state’s south-east were recorded for the first time in March, with the town of Gatton reaching 40C on Monday and 41.1C on Tuesday, about 11 degrees above its average maximum temperature for the month.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...h-broken-as-states-south-east-soars-above-40c

 

[kahuna1]

Its all fake news ....

I read it on twitter. Donald Trump cited a lobbyist for the fossil industry, who claims, CLAIMS he was a co-founder of Greenpeace as his source. The dummy ... the Greenpeace claimant, did work for Greenpeace from 1981 till 1986 and since then as a lobbyist for awful companies.

Since Greenpeace was founded in 1970 ... and this fool on FOX news, Trumps only source of fiber and fun non-facts, if he didn't start work till 11 years after it was founded, does this mean I can claim I created the planet ?

In other fun news, Gordon Joyce, AKA Billby .... Bushby .... or whatever the hell his name is .... Tim Apple ... leader ... whoops ex leader of the Nationals want to build a new coal fired plant on every corner and threatens to throw a tantrum if no one pays any attention.

Meanwhile, in real news, methane in Artic regions is going nuts. There are about 1,000 people in the whole field and thats Arctic Ice experts, and Permafrost ones where 1.7 trillion tons of CO2 and about 2-4% of that methane live frozen for now ... so far ... of the permafrost guys and girls about 400 or so ... the 13th paper just written by two lead authors predicting a massive initial release of CO2 and Methane which, by the way the atmosphere cant deal with at all even now and its estimated instead of 28 or so years for the Methane, CH4 to break down, the lowest estimate for this gas which is 26 times worse than CO2 will take 86 years, the highest is 100 years, well anyhow all 13 papers, peer reviewed say the same thing.

Welcome the imminent arrival within 10 years of a 50 billion ton baby as the Permafrost frozen for a million years begins to thaw. To put this into perspective, the whole 1.7 billion tons which will take some time to thaw and release is 300% of all greenhouse gasses released by Humans.

For today's prize, the IPCC, the International Panel on Climate chage the peak body, at Untited nations report ... which scared a few, contained NOT A THING about this. Nor the fact even the ocean acidity had risen 50% in 50 years, or the rise in the ocean which absorbs over 50% of the heat is up 1.5 degrees since 1900.

President Trump and Barnaby ... celebrate the NEW USA ambassador to the UN, wife with NO work experience pre 2015, other then 3 kids and 3 marriages, she is the wife of a coal barron in the USA and he donated 3 million to elect Trump and Barnaby ....

She, believe in BOTH sides of climate science. Hilarious and on Utube this bimbo. Would be funny if it was not so bad. She maybe can liaise with the USA EPA enforcement people .... whoops sorry they got cut in half already and Trumps budget for 2020 proposes the budget will be cut to the USA environmental protection agency by another 30%. Head of the EPA in the USA is none other than another coal person, this one who lobbied exclusively for the coal industry for 25 years.

Speaking to a friend today, he rated the chances of sea level rising as does the IPCCby 25 cm by 2050 at 99.9999% and this is without things they ignored, like .... science and the fact a bloody icebreaker went to the North Pole in Summer last year, Canadian at 13 knots. When and its close, when the Artic ice hits the NO Ice region and thats in summer and less than 10 years away, Bangladesh and its 100 million people will call the USA home ? Is that Trumps plan since he likes all those colored folk, science and Fox did not say during black history month they should get over being slaves .... because none of them were slaves, nor their grandparents.

Hilarious the USA and its love of movies USA saves the world ... Asteroids ... deep Impact or Armageddon ... Aliens and there are so many ... V ... the Series to Independence day. So so funny they are the ones not saving the world, but the ones ending it within 200 years via greed and need to make profits.

Sorry must run and have my fake news cornflakes whilst I still can !!

I did laugh so hard when idiot Trump called CO2 the building block of all life. THAT STUPID, IS A POISONOUS GAS .... CO2 ... did you mean CARBON .... as opposed to a gas I would like you to be fed alone ? Its got two oxygen atoms ... its better for you Mr Trump. As for Bushby and his coal fired plants ... off to Bangladesh for the idiot, with water wings.

 

[basilio]

Latest research on CC and it's effects on global temperatures is very grim.
It seems that temperatures in the Arctic regions will increase 3-5C regardless of anything we do.
The implications for unleashing methane from the frozen tundra are horrifying.

Sharp rise in Arctic temperatures now inevitable – UN
Temperatures likely to rise by 3-5C above pre-industrial levels even if Paris goals met

Fiona Harvey Environment correspondent

Wed 13 Mar 2019 19.01 GMT Last modified on Wed 13 Mar 2019 19.44 GMT

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Scientists fear Arctic heating could trigger a climate ‘tipping point’. Photograph: Mario Tama/Getty Images
Sharp and potentially devastating temperature rises of 3C to 5C in the Arctic are now inevitable even if the world succeeds in cutting greenhouse gas emissions in line with the Paris agreement, research has found.

Winter temperatures at the north pole are likely to rise by at least 3C above pre-industrial levels by mid-century, and there could be further rises to between 5C and 9C above the recent average for the region, according to the UN.

Such changes would result in rapidly melting ice and permafrost, leading to sea level rises and potentially to even more destructive levels of warming. Scientists fear Arctic heating could trigger a climate “tipping point” as melting permafrost releases the powerful greenhouse gas methane into the atmosphere, which in turn could create a runaway warming effect.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ature-rises-must-be-urgently-tackled-warns-un

 

[basilio]

This is the totally forseeable situation facing hundreds of thousands of people - not mention the banks that own their homes...

And I suggest the time frame for insurance problems is far closer than
The runaway insurance effect
By Inga Ting, Ri Liu, Nathanael Scott and Alex Palmer

Digital Story Innovation Team

Updated 14 Mar 2019, 10:10am
Published 13 Mar 2019, 6:06am
For most of us, the problem is in someone else’s backyard, in some other neighbourhood.

But for an increasing number of Australians, it’s right on their doorsteps. Many just don’t know it … yet.

Roughly 850,000 homes — nearly one in 10 — could be “uninsurable” within a few generations unless there are fundamental changes to where and how properties are built, a leading climate analyst says.

.... “We see a particularly dangerous market failure,” he says.

The cornerstone of that failure, he says, is that insurers can effectively abandon policies or areas from one year to the next if they decide the risk has become too severe.

Because all prospective homeowners need insurance to secure a mortgage, this creates a ripple effect.

“Once insurance becomes very expensive or unavailable it becomes very difficult to sell that house because the next person can’t get proper insurance to get their mortgage,” Dr Mallon says.

“So the effects of insurance becoming unavailable are potentially catastrophic for areas which are exposed to current or future extreme weather.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03...ls-australias-worst-affected-regions/10892710

 

[basilio]

The Victorian Government is recognising the economic effects of CC particularly in the form of heat waves.
https://www.climatechange.vic.gov.a...-economic-impact-of-heatwaves-on-Victoria.pdf

 

[explod]

The largest five stock market listed oil and gas companies spend nearly $200m (£153m) a year lobbying to delay, control or block policies to tackle climate change, according to a new report.

Chevron, BP and ExxonMobil were the main companies leading the field in direct lobbying to push against a climate policy to tackle global warming, the report said.

Increasingly they are using social media to successfully push their agenda to weaken and oppose any meaningful legislation to tackle global warming.

In the run-up to the US midterm elections last year $2m was spent on targeted Facebook and Instagram ads by global oil giants and their industry bodies, promoting the benefits of increased fossil fuel production, according to the report published on Friday by InfluenceMap."

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...HGMMMLIlIeLYx3nwU1DrZIHmgOXDO106dffAUK5XsKY3A

 

[explod]

So maybe we have to get creative and change what action means. And do it

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It's Official: There's Nothing We Can Do Now to Stop Arctic Temperature Rise

 

[explod]

Antarctic mission reveals Totten Glacier secrets, along with rethink on sea level rise
By Jessica Hayes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03...X3bRNc4coV0YohmKd9Kymnc_qY8mTMDSXUyPiLnQCAiV0

Time to sell that seaside shack and Party in the hills

 

[explod]

So both ends of the globe showing clear signs of catastrophe but most people are discussing guns.

It's Official: There's Nothing We Can Do Now to Stop Arctic Temperature Rise

CARLY CASSELLA
15 MAR 2019
No matter what we do, the Arctic of the future is going to be poles apart from the one we know today.

A new paper from the UN reveals that even if we pull the plug on all carbon emissions tomorrow, our hands are ultimately tied; the Arctic region is still going to warm by up to 5 degrees Celsius come the end of the century.


The reality is, we've simply emitted too many greenhouses gases, and now there's no escaping the consequences.

Even under the terms of the Paris Agreement, the research shows that winter temperatures in the Arctic are set to rise by at least 3°C by 2050 and 5 to 9°C by 2080 compared to pre-industrial levels.

The Arctic region is the virtual bullseye of climate change, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world gets off scot-free. As the top of our planet begins to melt, the consequences are certain to trickle down like a dripping ice-cream cone.

There is plenty of research to suggest that climate changes in the Arctic region will unleash dangerous sea level rises around the world, causing coastal flooding, erosion, and damage to buildings and infrastructure. It will also flip ecosystems on their head, contaminate drinking water, and drive mass human migration.

https://www.sciencealert.com/there-...FwzclDsKTq6iQHooasPffMh0s3bS6hextAoxPVlOIqf2c

 

[Ann]

This is an article from a very depressed young lady Carly Cassella who lives with Chronic Fatigue. Chronic Fatigue can make people seek out depressing subjects and situations to re-enforce how they are feeling. Clearly she will not be looking for any positive articles to feature from the climate papers. There is no way we can verify what she is saying as the link to the paper she is quoting won't link. (Not doubting her, just like to see how things are worded).

Before anyone has a go at me about talking about her Chronic Fatigue, I lived with it for nearly 26 years before I found the cause and flicked it. I can bring it back at will to prove the cause is actually the cause (for me). I know how she is feeling.

 

[explod]

This is an article from a very depressed young lady Carly Cassella who lives with Chronic Fatigue. Chronic Fatigue can make people seek out depressing subjects and situations to re-enforce how they are feeling. Clearly she will not be looking for any positive articles to feature from the climate papers. There is no way we can verify what she is saying as the link to the paper she is quoting won't link. (Not doubting her, just like to see how things are worded).

Before anyone has a go at me about talking about her Chronic Fatigue, I lived with it for nearly 26 years before I found the cause and flicked it. I can bring it back at will to prove the cause is actually the cause (for me). I know how she is feeling.

What has this to do with CC Ann ??