Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[Joules MM1]

can you see the oxymoronic disposition of this editorial.....obviously, they don't !

ever pondered the difference between the employment of the words "fact" versus "evidence" ?

 

[basilio]

https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm?source=import-export&year=2019&month=1
Do you ever rely on facts?

That was an excellent reference Rederob. I think most posters would be particularly interested in the second URL
Germany’s energy consumption and power mix in charts
Fossil fuels Renewables

A wealth of numbers and statistics describe the energy generation and consumption of nation states. This factsheet provides a range of charts (and data links) about the status of Germany’s energy mix, as well as developments in energy and power production and usage since 1990. [Updates graphs on power generation and energy consumption to include 2018 data.]
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts

 

[basilio]

Maybe we have to accept large part of australia will soon be inhabitable

Maybe...
What would be the implications of that for us ? Where would the people who live in those areas go ? What about the national infrastructure that goes through Australia and these regions ? Roads, power and so on.
Who takes the financial losses of all that property ?

Uncomfortable questions but realistic IMV.

 

[qldfrog]

Maybe...
What would be the implications of that for us ? Where would the people who live in those areas go ? What about the national infrastructure that goes through Australia and these regions ? Roads, power and so on.
Who takes the financial losses of all that property ?

Uncomfortable questions but realistic IMV.

Not the moon yet, people have survived in saudi Arabia etc.but we need different infrastructure, different road surface etc
Normally normal common sense should be enough but in Australia will take the form of more compliance and building code red tape.. that will keep unemployment low.a bonanza
New regulations on whether or not you can have metallic slides in playground based on zoning, etc etc
A lot of marginal land will turn to dust, less beef and sheep to the utter joy of the vegans, mine settlements mostly automated with air-conditioned for the living in trucks offices and dungas
Anything west of the range will become marginal, cities like melbourne and adelaide taking a bashing every summer.cyclones down to Brisbane
We already have the crocs, box jellyfish at the border.
Higher re price in nz and parts of Tasmania
No rocket science....

 

[qldfrog]

That was an excellent reference Rederob. I think most posters would be particularly interested in the second URL
Germany’s energy consumption and power mix in charts
Fossil fuels Renewables

A wealth of numbers and statistics describe the energy generation and consumption of nation states. This factsheet provides a range of charts (and data links) about the status of Germany’s energy mix, as well as developments in energy and power production and usage since 1990. [Updates graphs on power generation and energy consumption to include 2018 data.]
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts

A big difference between capacity, production and actual needs
In the same way we are heading here, Germany has a lot of renewable capacity but what you do not see on any of the graphs is that when s,it happens, they rely on french nuclear power stations while at the same time Germany is closing both coal and nuclear stations.
the irony or hypocrisy..your call
Similar on how qld coal power stations are now preventing many power outages in both SA and Victoria as expertly explained by Smurf
Switch to renewable is a good move but we need some practical engineering in charge, not ideology especially during the transition

 

[Darc Knight]

We already have the crocs, box jellyfish at the border.
.

The Crocs found around Brisbane have been Juveniles which has usually been reported as pets dumped once they've gotten too big. Gold Coast creeks are full of people every weekend, luckily colder Winter weather deters Croc migration here ATM. North of Gympie seems to be the start of occassionial adult Croc sitings.
The Irukandji may have started it's invasion south though.

 

[qldfrog]

The Crocs found around Brisbane have been Juveniles which has usually been reported as pets dumped once they've gotten too big. Gold Coast creeks are full of people every weekend, luckily colder Winter weather deters Croc migration here ATM. North of Gympie seems to be the start of occassionial adult Croc sitings.
The Irukandji may have started it's invasion south though.

Croc wise, down to Mary river/fraser
A mix of protection status increased population and warming i believe
I am still safe around my creek dams

 

[basilio]

Where could one go to "escape global warming ?"
Let’s say I wanted to escape climate change. Where should I go?
https://grist.org/article/lets-say-i-wanted-to-escape-climate-change-where-should-i-go/

 

[basilio]

One of the HUGE issues facing a much hotter world is the effect on glaciers. In particular what will be the effect on the Himalayan glaciers which feed the Indian subcontinent.
A five year study has been released which examines the loss of ice from these huge natural water storages.
A third of Himalayan ice cap doomed, finds report
Even radical climate change action won’t save glaciers, endangering 2 billion people

Damian Carrington Environment editor

@dpcarrington
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Melting ice on Khumbu glacier in the Everest-Khumbu region. Himalayan glaciers are a water source for 250 millions people. Photograph: Alex Treadway/ICIMOD
At least a third of the huge ice fields in Asia’s towering mountain chain are doomed to melt due to climate change, according to a landmark report, with serious consequences for almost 2 billion people.

Even if carbon emissions are dramatically and rapidly cut and succeed in limiting global warming to 1.5C, 36% of the glaciers along in the Hindu Kush and Himalaya range will have gone by 2100. If emissions are not cut, the loss soars to two-thirds, the report found.

The glaciers are a critical water store for the 250 million people who live in the Hindu Kush-Himalaya (HKH) region, and 1.65 billion people rely on the great rivers that flow from the peaks into India, Pakistan, China and other nations.

“This is the climate crisis you haven’t heard of,” said Philippus Wester of the International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (Icimod), who led the report. “In the best of possible worlds, if we get really ambitious [in tackling climate change], even then we will lose one-third of the glaciers and be in trouble. That for us was the shocking finding.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...imalayan-ice-cap-doomed-finds-shocking-report

 

[qldfrog]

One of the HUGE issues facing a much hotter world is the effect on glaciers. In particular what will be the effect on the Himalayan glaciers which feed the Indian subcontinent.
A five year study has been released which examines the loss of ice from these huge natural water storages.
A third of Himalayan ice cap doomed, finds report
Even radical climate change action won’t save glaciers, endangering 2 billion people

Damian Carrington Environment editor

@dpcarrington
Mon 4 Feb 2019 22.45 AEDT Last modified on Tue 5 Feb 2019 05.15 AEDT

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Melting ice on Khumbu glacier in the Everest-Khumbu region. Himalayan glaciers are a water source for 250 millions people. Photograph: Alex Treadway/ICIMOD
At least a third of the huge ice fields in Asia’s towering mountain chain are doomed to melt due to climate change, according to a landmark report, with serious consequences for almost 2 billion people.

Even if carbon emissions are dramatically and rapidly cut and succeed in limiting global warming to 1.5C, 36% of the glaciers along in the Hindu Kush and Himalaya range will have gone by 2100. If emissions are not cut, the loss soars to two-thirds, the report found.

The glaciers are a critical water store for the 250 million people who live in the Hindu Kush-Himalaya (HKH) region, and 1.65 billion people rely on the great rivers that flow from the peaks into India, Pakistan, China and other nations.

“This is the climate crisis you haven’t heard of,” said Philippus Wester of the International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (Icimod), who led the report. “In the best of possible worlds, if we get really ambitious [in tackling climate change], even then we will lose one-third of the glaciers and be in trouble. That for us was the shocking finding.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...imalayan-ice-cap-doomed-finds-shocking-report

Only a third...if we diminish indian population by half,all good and gw mitigation become reachable whereas otherwise, the remaining 2/3 are gone....
But no, tax red meat is the answer i am sure.
Gw, tackle the real cause

 

[Darc Knight]

Only a third...if we diminish indian population by half,all good and gw mitigation become reachable whereas otherwise, the remaining 2/3 are gone....
But no, tax red meat is the answer i am sure.
Gw, tackle the real cause

Genocide probably isn't too politically correct nowadays Frog, but I admire your enthusiasm.

 

[basilio]

Only a third...if we diminish indian population by half,all good and gw mitigation become reachable whereas otherwise, the remaining 2/3 are gone..

Diminish..?" Isn't that a bit of a euphemism ? Do we then diminish the Chinese, rest of Asia, Africa, South America ?
I don't think that is a very productive direction. If we want to address the causes of GW we need to look at the impact of all people and objectively speaking, the societies that have the most impact per capita

xxx

 

[qldfrog]

So we can have 1 billion extra persons on earth and it is all good if each one is using only half or a sixth of the horrible American/Australian?

 

[qldfrog]

You

Genocide probably isn't too politically correct nowadays Frog, but I admire your enthusiasm.

Do not have to commit genocide but a one child policy done 50 years ago would have sorted it, and this is in no way even started in Pakistan Bangladesh egypt Indonesia nigeria..do i go on?
The key issue of population is not and has not been tackled.nor do we want to deal with it.we can buy all prius and solar panel in the west, we are screwed and powerless

 

[qldfrog]

How abd to be fair in term of religion.philippine...

 

[Smurf1976]

So we can have 1 billion extra persons on earth and it is all good if each one is using only half or a sixth of the horrible American/Australian?

Consumption per person x number of persons = scale of problem.

Consider someone now aged 80 so statistically near end of life.

100% of all nuclear power ever produced has taken place in their lifetime. 100%.

Virtually all electronics, natural gas and plastics produced thus far were produced in their lifetime.

The overwhelming majority of oil ever used has been used in their lifetime and so has most of the coal.

If we continue the growth trend then the above will remain largely true. For a child born today, by the time they're 80 they will also be able to say that most of the resources ever used by man were used in their lifetime.

You ain't seen nothing yet in terms of how many resources we're about to use if we keep going as we are.

 

[qldfrog]

How abd to be fair in term of religion.philippine...

Bloody problem with auto correction changing my posts
I meant
And to be fair.....

 

[Joules MM1]

National Snow and Ice Data Center‏ @NSIDC 14h14 hours ago
If #Thwaites Glacier in #Antarctica collapses, sea levels could rise by two feet – flooding coastal cities around the world. Researcher Ted Scambos comments: “It’s completely plausible. Thwaites has a really perfect storm going for it.” @CIRESNews
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...-glacier-big-enough-fit-two-thirds-ncna965696

Sinking areas at Thwaites Glacier are shown here in red and rising areas in blue. The growing cavity (red mass, center) caused the greatest sinking.NASA/JPL-Caltech

 

[qldfrog]

It is coming from Basilio's favourite source, not that old and explain why so many liberals do not like democracy..sorry now called populism
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...pollution-initiative-1631-washington-rejected

 

[basilio]

It is coming from Basilio's favourite source, not that old and explain why so many liberals do not like democracy..sorry now called populism
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...pollution-initiative-1631-washington-rejected

Great find QLDfrog. Certainly highlighted the effectiveness of the fossil fuel industry in driving their agenda of unrestrained use/exploration of oil and gas.

Who said the oil companies have now seen the light on global warming ? Just greenwash clearly.

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That story from Joules on the huge hole in the Thwaites glacier is just scary.
Perhaps another analogy might be a better way to explain it.
How would we feel if we discovered there was a 10,000 megaton nuclear timebomb with a clock that was running down to an uncertain time in relatively immediate future. Would that focus our attention on doing whatever had to be done to stop the clock ?
The collapse of the Thwaites glacier would be as catastrophic for all coastal cities around the world.