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Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

And now the east side, getting worse quickly:-


In recent years, researchers have warned that Totten Glacier, a behemoth that contains enough ice to raise sea levels by at least 11 feet (about 3 meters), appears to be retreating because of warming ocean waters. Now, researchers have found that a group of four glaciers sitting to the west of Totten, plus a handful of smaller glaciers farther east, are also losing ice.

"Totten is the biggest glacier in East Antarctica, so it attracts most of the research focus," said Catherine Walker, a glaciologist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, who presented her findings at a press conference on Monday at the American Geophysical Union meeting in Washington. "But once you start asking what else is happening in this region, it turns out that other nearby glaciers are responding in a similar way to Totten."

For her research, Walker used new maps of ice velocity and surface height elevation that are being created as part of a new NASA project called Inter-mission Time Series of Land Ice Velocity and Elevation, or ITS_LIVE. Researchers with ITS_LIVE will be launching a new initiative in early 2019 to track the movement of the world’s ice, which includes the creation of a 30-year record of satellite observations of changes in the surface elevation of glaciers, ice sheets and ice shelves, and a detailed record of variations in ice velocity starting in 2013.

Walker found that four glaciers west of Totten, in an area called Vincennes Bay, have lowered their surface height by about 9 feet (almost 3 meters) since 2008—before that year, there had been no measured change in elevation for these glaciers. Farther east, a collection of glaciers along the Wilkes Land coast have approximately doubled their rate of lowering since around 2009, and their surface is now going down by about 0.8 feet (0.24 meters) every year.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2832/more-glaciers-in-east-antarctica-are-waking-up/
 
What has this to do with CC Ann ??
One has to wonder how many papers she looked through related to Climate Change to eventually find one with such a miserable conclusion. As the old saying goes, 'misery loves company'. A person's state of mind plays a great bearing on what they focus on. Bad outcomes, bad news, negativity all go hand in hand with ones' outlook if in a state of depression. This helps to feed the misery and despair in others, this would make her fell better to know she is able to depress other people. Whereas an upbeat study on CC would not fit her mental state. I guess I am just looking at this as a potential negative bias yet again from a journalist. Been a bit of this going around of late! :)
 
A much worse scenario for ice loss would be if the bedrock under the glaciers sloped downward inland of the grounding line. In that case, the ice base would get deeper and deeper as the glacier retreated and, as ice calved off, the height of the ice face exposed to the ocean would increase. That would allow for more melt at the front of the glacier and also make the ice cliff more unstable, increasing the rate of iceberg release. This kind of terrain would make it easier for warm circumpolar deep water to reach the ice front, sustaining high melt rates near the grounding line.
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2832/more-glaciers-in-east-antarctica-are-waking-up/
 
Time to sell that seaside shack and Party in the hills
Look on the positive side.

Getting rid of that pesky ice will make it easier to drill for oil.

Also cheaper to open cut mine for coal without having to dig through all that ice first.

Plus brilliant opportunities to sell bottled Antarctic water from the melting ice.

Yes I'm being sarcastic but sadly there's probably someone somewhere planning exactly that and unlike me they're serious. :2twocents
 
I guess I am just looking at this as a potential negative bias yet again from a journalist. Been a bit of this going around of late! :)
The person linked to a paper previously linked science paper.
About the only thing going around in your world is denial of climate science.
 
This is an article from a very depressed young lady Carly Cassella who lives with Chronic Fatigue. Chronic Fatigue can make people seek out depressing subjects and situations to re-enforce how they are feeling. Clearly she will not be looking for any positive articles to feature from the climate papers. There is no way we can verify what she is saying as the link to the paper she is quoting won't link. (Not doubting her, just like to see how things are worded).

Before anyone has a go at me about talking about her Chronic Fatigue, I lived with it for nearly 26 years before I found the cause and flicked it. I can bring it back at will to prove the cause is actually the cause (for me). I know how she is feeling.
Ann,
Why do you think that Carly Cassella is depressed?

She doesn't say so. She says https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/c...syndrome-is-a-chronic-frustration_a_21442362/ ) she's "Tired of explaining to friends that their desire to take a nap is not equivalent to debilitating fatigue. Tired of endless blood tests and waiting lists. Tired of jaded university doctors dismissing multiple referrals. Tired of being told that my symptoms are all in my head. Exhausted. Shattered. Spent." She says that the symptoms of CFS ..."include, but are certainly not limited to, unrelenting exhaustion, chronic muscular pain, fatigue following physical activity, unrefreshing sleep and the dreaded 'brain fog', a form of cognitive impairment that makes studying with a hangover feel like a breeze." Her Huff Post bio ( https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/author/carly-cassella/ ) says that she is "... a long-time Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferer and activist. She is the founder of Fatigued AF, a social media campaign targeted at young CFS sufferers." I understand that depression is part of CFS for some people, but I don't see anything to suggest that Carly Cassella is one of them. In fact, since the bio and her article about CFS are dated 2016, it's possible that she's given CFS the flick as effectively as you have.

I'm asking this because you seem to suggest that her article should be dismissed because she's depressed. You further suggest that she dismissed some unspecified subset of climate papers till she found one that would match her assumed state of depression. Forging such a chain of assumptions that have nothing to do with the content of her article is a painfully inefficient way to assess the reliability of her source or her article. Why not tackle the real subject matter and search for current projections for future conditions in the Arctic?

The paper she is reporting is not original research. It's a press release about a report from the UN Environment Programme: https://gridarendal-website-live.s3.amazonaws.com/production/documents/:s_document/466/original/Press_release.pdf?1552482132

And according to her Twitter bio Cassella herself is now a professional science writer. I speculate (it's my turn ;)) that she simply wrote a piece about the UN report when it crossed her desk. No seeking out of articles, positive or negative, required.
 
Ann,
Why do you think that Carly Cassella is depressed?

"Tired of explaining to friends that their desire to take a nap is not equivalent to debilitating fatigue. Tired of endless blood tests and waiting lists. Tired of jaded university doctors dismissing multiple referrals. Tired of being told that my symptoms are all in my head. Exhausted. Shattered. Spent." She says that the symptoms of CFS ..."include, but are certainly not limited to, unrelenting exhaustion, chronic muscular pain, fatigue following physical activity, unrefreshing sleep and the dreaded 'brain fog', a form of cognitive impairment that makes studying with a hangover feel like a breeze."

Read what she says, feeling depressed goes without saying living like this, I can tell because she is feeding her brain with doom and gloom. It gives her a good reason to be depressed. I can't imagine how depressing it must be to have this doomsday mindset all the Global Warmers carry around with them. If it is ever reported it would be interesting to know if more and younger children are committing suicide now they have been told there is no time left it will be all over in twelve years. It is like one enormous doomsday cult handing out the kool aid to the children.

I'm asking this because you seem to suggest that her article should be dismissed because she's depressed.
No I did not say it should be dismissed, but was making a point to be aware of her potential bias toward information. In all subjects we should look for a bias so that we can judge its merit and give it proper balance.

Why not tackle the real subject matter and search for current projections for future conditions in the Arctic?
Because it would be a futile exercise trying to find balanced facts now that it appears Google to be filtering information. I have wondered for a long time why there hasn't been more balance in scientific based evidence to be found and how hard it is to find any refuting evidence which there should be for any subject. Good debate has all but been shut down online regarding this subject. Can't fight a one sided agenda, when there is a lack of balanced information from which to draw to offer an alternate view, it is pointless.
Discussing any topic with people who have closed minds and a doomsday mentality is simply foolish that is why I don't bother any more.

And according to her Twitter bio Cassella herself is now a professional science writer. I speculate (it's my turn ;)) that she simply wrote a piece about the UN report when it crossed her desk. No seeking out of articles, positive or negative, required.

Highly unlikely she is behind a desk. She is probably propped up in bed browsing her computer for anything she feels agrees with her opinions and that of the site she writes for.
She is writing online for a privately owned Australian site legitimizing itself with a name containing the word 'science'. This employs ten contributors who appear to have a focus toward the environmental agenda, if one reads the contributors profiles. There is no reference as to who is funding the site other than to say it is funded by the 'adverts' which appear on the site. My best guess would be Robert Purves . He has a special fund called the Purves Environmental Fund
He is the major funder of the Climate Council among many other environmental and focus group areas in Australia.
 
She is writing online for a privately owned Australian site legitimizing itself with a name containing the word 'science'. This employs ten contributors who appear to have a focus toward the environmental agenda, if one reads the contributors profiles. There is no reference as to who is funding the site other than to say it is funded by the 'adverts' which appear on the site. My best guess would be Robert Purves . He has a special fund called the Purves Environmental Fund
He is the major funder of the Climate Council among many other environmental and focus group areas in Australia.
Ann
Why not just focus on actual content?
It is not that hard.
It seems that those who deny climate science, - people like you - go to extremes to present completely irrelevant information.
If you do not understand the science, ask legitimate questions.
There is enough ignorance in cyberspace without the need to add to it.
 
Interruption of two decades of Jakobshavn Isbrae acceleration and thinning as regional ocean cools
Article | Published: 25 March 2019
Jakobshavn Isbrae has been the single largest source of mass loss from the Greenland Ice Sheet over the last 20 years. During that time, it has been retreating, accelerating and thinning. Here we use airborne altimetry and satellite imagery to show that since 2016 Jakobshavn has been re-advancing, slowing and thickening. We link these changes to concurrent cooling of ocean waters in Disko Bay that spill over into Ilulissat Icefjord. Ocean temperatures in the bay’s upper 250 m have cooled to levels not seen since the mid 1980s. More...
 
So how and where did you find this piece of science Ann ? Does this mean that you are open to examining a range of scientific analysis of ice melt in the Arctic and Antarctic ?
 
So how and where did you find this piece of science Ann ? Does this mean that you are open to examining a range of scientific analysis of ice melt in the Arctic and Antarctic ?
You have a problem with a bit of news about arctic ice re-advancing, slowing and thickening? Why do you sound so shocked that I found it Bas? The link is there, it is intact, I checked it.

I know, it is pretty amazing this snuck by the Google censors, I guess they missed that it was not doom and gloom news. I was pleased to see it if just for the sake it was one that got away.

No doubt it won't be too long before they issue a quick modelling to say, it won't last it is really all doom and gloom and this is a total aberration, won't last, will melt again. Then next time they will vet this sort of study and stop it from getting into general circulation.
 
Golly gee ...



Declining Sea Ice Trend Continues - NASA Confirms in 2019

If your talking about 2 inch thick salt filled ice .... which you are ... since a Canadian icebreaker went to the north pole at 13 knots .... last summer ... even I am floored by some peoples stupidity, beliefs and crap they believe.


How People Become Flat-Earthers
Maybe the flat earth society is for you ?


Oh and by the way ,,, the temperature is now at a record 40 degrees above the ave in parts of the ARCTIC ... F ... so 22 C above norm highs ... or so for March ... so that thin .. salty ice ... ITS GONE !!
 
You have a problem with a bit of news about arctic ice re-advancing, slowing and thickening? Why do you sound so shocked that I found it Bas? The link is there, it is intact, I checked it.
Yes, it's a good piece of science.

I know, it is pretty amazing this snuck by the Google censors, I guess they missed that it was not doom and gloom news. I was pleased to see it if just for the sake it was one that got away.
Google does not affect science.

No doubt it won't be too long before they issue a quick modelling to say, it won't last it is really all doom and gloom and this is a total aberration, won't last, will melt again. Then next time they will vet this sort of study and stop it from getting into general circulation.
Ann, it appears you have no idea what the article means.
Ala Khazendar, the studies lead author, said it's a natural cyclical cooling of North Atlantic waters which likely caused the glacier to reverse course.
Khazendar and colleagues say this coincides with a flip of the North Atlantic Oscillation—a natural and temporary cooling and warming of parts of the ocean that is like a distant cousin to El Nino in the Pacific.
Josh Willis, a study co-author, pointed out that while this is "good news" on a temporary basis, this is bad news on the long term because it tells scientists that ocean temperature is a bigger player in glacier retreats and advances than previously thought.
 
I knew what the article meant but one has to ask is if scientists didn't know that ocean temperature is a bigger player in glacier retreats and advances than previously thought, what else don't they know or are misinterpreting? Much store has been put into glacial melts, if this caught them by surprise there may be more surprises in store for scientists of things they previous thought was so but is not.
 
I knew what the article meant but one has to ask is if scientists didn't know that ocean temperature is a bigger player in glacier retreats and advances than previously thought, what else don't they know or are misinterpreting? Much store has been put into glacial melts, if this caught them by surprise there may be more surprises in store for scientists of things they previous thought was so but is not.
Sorry Anne but I have a Nephew supporting a scientific team in antarctica and I'm afraid it is all bad. Just party my dear as we the humans are doomed.

Apart from the extinction from the volcanic activity one and the meteor situation there has never ever been anything like or as fast as the deteriorating situation we have now. However you will still find false news trying to squeeze the last quid out of the suckers, but of course that's business.

Try not to be part of the suckers Ann, start to enjoy life as I'm starting to and perhaps then your psychological issues can switch you over to some pleasure. And get to one tablet a day too.
 
Sorry Anne but I have a Nephew supporting a scientific team in antarctica and I'm afraid it is all bad. Just party my dear as we the humans are doomed.
That is an interesting sort of job, what is his role there explod and how long has he been down there?
 
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