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That was an appalling piece of deliberate misinformation by the government. I'm trying to remember when the water scandal issues blew up ?
 
Appros to Anns post the massive fish kill in the Menindee lakes has just highlighted a litany of atrocious water use decisions by State and Federal Governments.

The Darling River fish kill is what comes from ignoring decades of science
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Culture warriors’ policy amounts to listening to what scientists say we need to do, then doing the opposite


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‘Events like the Menindee fish kill bring home the cost of treating the environment as a cultural battleground.’ Photograph: Mike Bowers for the Guardian
The mass death of fish in Menindee Lakes is a disaster that has been a long time in the making. The story goes back to another disaster on the Darling River, a massive outbreak of blue-green algae that poisoned hundreds of kilometres of the river in 1991 and 1992. The outbreak was a dramatic illustration of decades of warnings from scientists and economists that too much water was being extracted from the river.

The first response was the imposition, in 1995 of a cap on extractions. The cap was meant as an emergency measure to prevent further disasters while a long-term policy was worked out. Nearly 25 years later, it is still in effect. The cap is supposed to be replaced later this year by a system of sustainable diversion limits, worked out on the basis of scientific evidence. But a litany of disastrous policy failures, of which the fish kill is among the more dramatic outcomes, cast doubt on whether this schedule can be met.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-what-comes-from-ignoring-decades-of-science
 
basilio said:
Appros to Anns post the massive fish kill in the Menindee lakes has just highlighted a litany of atrocious water use decisions by State and Federal Governments.

The Darling River fish kill is what comes from ignoring decades of science
John_Quiggin.png

John Quiggin
Culture warriors’ policy amounts to listening to what scientists say we need to do, then doing the opposite


@JohnQuiggin
Tue 22 Jan 2019 15.27 AEDT Last modified on Tue 22 Jan 2019 15.29 AEDT


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‘Events like the Menindee fish kill bring home the cost of treating the environment as a cultural battleground.’ Photograph: Mike Bowers for the Guardian
The mass death of fish in Menindee Lakes is a disaster that has been a long time in the making. The story goes back to another disaster on the Darling River, a massive outbreak of blue-green algae that poisoned hundreds of kilometres of the river in 1991 and 1992. The outbreak was a dramatic illustration of decades of warnings from scientists and economists that too much water was being extracted from the river.

The first response was the imposition, in 1995 of a cap on extractions. The cap was meant as an emergency measure to prevent further disasters while a long-term policy was worked out. Nearly 25 years later, it is still in effect. The cap is supposed to be replaced later this year by a system of sustainable diversion limits, worked out on the basis of scientific evidence. But a litany of disastrous policy failures, of which the fish kill is among the more dramatic outcomes, cast doubt on whether this schedule can be met.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-what-comes-from-ignoring-decades-of-science
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What would a scientist know?
(I mean, apart from everything the politician does not!)
:speechless:
 
Darc Knight said:
Europe's mightiest river is drying up, most likely causing a recession in Germany. Yes, really.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/germany-recession-river-rhine-running-dry-2019-1
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DK, that was an interesting link, and more so because last night I was trying to coordinate a trip to the Aral Sea in Uzbekistan.
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Although what has happened to the Aral Sea was not a direct consequence of climate change, what has happened to it has affected the local climate and serves to show what a warmer future holds for us.
 
This analysis expands on the research that showed how ice loss is rapidly accelerating in Antarctica .
Fascinating punch line at the end though.
After Decades of Losing Ice, Antarctica Is Now Hemorrhaging It
Global warming has already cost the continent 2.7 trillion tons of mass.

... Why? It has to do with one of the stranger mechanisms in ice physics. Glaciers, it turns out, don’t just alleviate sea-level rise by freezing water and keeping it out of the ocean. Their gravity fields are strong enough that they actually attract ocean water from elsewhere on the planet. The farther you go from a certain patch of glacier, the greater the gravitational effects—and West Antartica is very far from the United States. So Thwaites and Pine Island glaciers essentially swaddle themselves with water that would otherwise slosh against the beaches of the East Coast.

But if West Antarctica’s ice melts, and it loses mass, then its gravitational field will also lose its protective power. And North America will suffer the consequences. For example, for every bit of West Antarctic ice that tumbles into the sea, sea levels in Boston will bear an additional sort of gravity tax of 25 percent.

“For every centimeter [of sea-level rise] from West Antarctica, Boston feels one and a quarter centimeters. And that extends down the East Coast,” said DeConto.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...s-antarctica-is-now-hemorrhaging-mass/562748/
 
Perhaps we need some Hopeless Realism ?

Hopeless Realism
19th November 2018

No effective means of stopping climate breakdown is deemed “politically realistic”. So we must change political realities.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 14th November 2018

It was a moment of the kind that changes lives. At a press conference held by Extinction Rebellion last week, two of us journalists pressed the activists on whether their aims were realistic. They have called, for example, for carbon emissions in the UK to be reduced to net zero by 2025. Wouldn’t it be better, we asked, to pursue some intermediate aims?

A young woman called Lizia Woolf stepped forward. She hadn’t spoken before, and I hadn’t really noticed her, but the passion, grief and fury of her response was utterly compelling. “What is it that you are asking me as a 20-year-old to face and to accept about my future and my life? … this is an emergency – we are facing extinction. When you ask questions like that, what is it you want me to feel?”. We had no answer.

Softer aims might be politically realistic, but they are physically unrealistic. Only shifts commensurate with the scale of our existential crises have any prospect of averting them. Hopeless realism, tinkering at the edges of the problem, got us into this mess. It will not get us out.
https://www.monbiot.com/2018/11/19/hopeless-realism/
 
Or another way of expressing Hopeless Realism.

A 16-year-old tells world leaders, ‘I don’t want you to hope, I want you to panic’
In August 2018, at the age of 15, Swedish student Greta Thunberg went on strike from school in protest at the lack of action on climate change. Five months later, the movement she sparked has led tens of thousands of students around the world to refuse to go to school on Fridays. And Thunberg herself has become one of the most prominent voices on the climate today.

Train, not private jet
Last week, world leaders arrived in Davos, Switzerland (many by private jet) for the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum. Thunberg, now 16, was there too – she spent 32 hours on the train, having stopped flying “for climate reasons”.

“I don’t want your hope”
In a speech to the forum, Thunberg said:

"Adults keep saying, we owe it to the young people to give them hope. But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day and then I want you to act."
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2...-i-dont-want-you-to-hope-i-want-you-to-panic/
 
This kid has class and guts and clarity.
Swedish teen climate activist in Davos: 'It's time to get angry'
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Greta Thunberg took the train to Davos from Sweden. Photo: Valentin Flauraud/Keystone via AP
Will young Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg manage to persuade the global elite in Davos to take action?
The 16-year-old has galvanized protests by schoolchildren around the world, after delivering a fiery speech to world leaders at last month's UN climate talks in Poland.
"I would like to talk to people in power," the Swedish crusader told AFP shortly after arriving in Davos for the annual World Economic Forum.
Unlike many of the movers and shakers gathered in the Swiss ski resort, Thunberg has not zipped into town for a few quick meetings at luxury hotels.
With the train trip from Stockholm, which took 32 hours, Thunberg was making a statement in opposition to many of the Davos elite, who flew in by private jet.

"I have stopped flying for climate reasons, because I don't want to say one thing and do another thing. I want to practise as I preach," she said.

"I think it is insane that people are gathered here to talk about the climate and they arrive here in private jet."
https://www.thelocal.se/20190124/swedish-teen-climate-activist-in-davos-its-time-to-get-angry
 
What is the place between wilful denial of CC, pained ignorance and just trying to get on with our life?
How do we deal with the speed with which our climate is changing and effects this is having on our world ?
Very challenging.
This story pulls together threads.

‘The devastation of human life is in view’: what a burning world tells us about climate change
Composite: The Guardian Design Team
I was wilfully deluded until I began covering global warming, says David Wallace-Wells. But extreme heat could transform the planet by 2100

I have never been an environmentalist. I don’t even think of myself as a nature person. I’ve lived my whole life in cities, enjoying gadgets built by industrial supply chains I hardly think twice about. I’ve never gone camping, not willingly anyway, and while I always thought it was basically a good idea to keep streams clean and air clear, I also accepted the proposition that there was a trade-off between economic growth and cost to nature – and figured, well, in most cases I’d go for growth. I’m not about to personally slaughter a cow to eat a hamburger, but I’m also not about to go vegan. In these ways – many of them, at least – I am like every other American who has spent their life fatally complacent, and wilfully deluded, about climate change, which is not just the biggest threat human life on the planet has ever faced, but a threat of an entirely different category and scale. That is, the scale of human life itself.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-tells-us-about-climate-change-global-warming
 
basilio said:
Ben Phillips‏ @BenPhillips_ANU
Adelaide had 4 days of 40+ temps between 1955 and 1966 and 39 days between 2005 and 2015. How will the end of this century look? source: BOM.
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And has already had 5 such days in 2019 using data from the BOM monitoring station on West Terrace (the official "Adelaide" site) and 8 such days if the Kent Town BOM station, which was previously the official "Adelaide" site, is used.

New all time temperature records were also set at both sites being 46.6 and 47.7 degrees respectively for West Terrace and Kent Town. Some suburban BOM sites recorded temperatures exceeding 48.

So the first month of 2019 set a new all time record and had more 40+ days than occurred in a full decade from the mid-1950's to the mid-1960's.

Adelaide has also recorded zero rainfall thus far in 2019 and the duration of zero rain is also a new all time record according to media reports.

Move along now everybody, nothing to see here, move along now.....:rolleyes:

PS - For dealing with the heat in SA my cat recommends the fish flavoured ice cubes we made. Nice and cool, fun to play with until they start to melt and eating them supplies the cat with water as well. Plus free entertainment watching a human mop the floor afterward to clean up the mess. :xyxthumbs
 

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