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Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

The question of the stability of the numerous systems that support life on earth ( That's US !) is becoming more and more urgent as scientists see red flags in global temperatures, pollution, species extinction ect. Of course the concerns may be misplaced. How lucky do we feel ?

Any thoughts on this analysis ? The remainder of the article is very critical of the short term thinking of almost all societies.

The Earth is in a death spiral. It will take radical action to save us
George Monbiot
Climate breakdown could be rapid and unpredictable. We can no longer tinker around the edges and hope minor changes will avert collapse

It was a moment of the kind that changes lives. At a press conference held by climate activists Extinction Rebellion last week, two of us journalists pressed the organisers on whether their aims were realistic. They have called, for example, for UK carbon emissions to be reduced to net zero by 2025. Wouldn’t it be better, we asked, to pursue some intermediate aims?

A young woman called Lizia Woolf stepped forward. She hadn’t spoken before, but the passion, grief and fury of her response was utterly compelling. “What is it that you are asking me as a 20-year-old to face and to accept about my future and my life? … This is an emergency. We are facing extinction. When you ask questions like that, what is it you want me to feel?” We had no answer.

Softer aims might be politically realistic, but they are physically unrealistic. Only shifts commensurate with the scale of our existential crises have any prospect of averting them. Hopeless realism, tinkering at the edges of the problem, got us into this mess. It will not get us out.

Public figures talk and act as if environmental change will be linear and gradual. But the Earth’s systems are highly complex, and complex systems do not respond to pressure in linear ways. When these systems interact (because the world’s atmosphere, oceans, land surface and lifeforms do not sit placidly within the boxes that make study more convenient), their reactions to change become highly unpredictable. Small perturbations can ramify wildly. Tipping points are likely to remain invisible until we have passed them. We could see changes of state so abrupt and profound that no continuity can be safely assumed.

Only one of the many life support systems on which we depend – soils, aquifers, rainfall, ice, the pattern of winds and currents, pollinators, biological abundance and diversity – need fail for everything to slide. For example, when Arctic sea ice melts beyond a certain point, the positive feedbacks this triggers (such as darker water absorbing more heat, melting permafrost releasing methane, shifts in the polar vortex) could render runaway climate breakdown unstoppable. When the Younger Dryas period ended 11,600 years ago, temperatures rose 10C within a decade.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...death-spiral-radical-action-climate-breakdown

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climate-change/The Younger Dryas
 
On a per capita basis, Australians is pretty much up there though

A counter to that point is that certain other countries have rather a lot of capita.

That’s an environmental problem regardless of the CO2 issue. It is also the real elephant in the room that few are willing to go anywhere near.
 
A counter to that point is that certain other countries have rather a lot of capita.

That’s an environmental problem regardless of the CO2 issue. It is also the real elephant in the room that few are willing to go anywhere near.

Yea, but then there's the argument that those with more privilege and more wealth ought to take on a greater burden. Be that greater investment in alternative/cleaner energy, or reduce consumption.

Those that are already poor, where they personally do not contribute to much to the problem per se... and where their standard of living could hardly go lower; little to no cash to adopt cleaner alternatives.

But I'm optimistic that Western leaders will soon enough find it worth their while to reduce the causes of climate change. Seems that the situation is getting to a stage where it no longer affect just the poor.

I mean, the sea are getting so polluted with plastic particles now that 40% of people consuming wild catch fish ingest the waste too.

Then there's the wildfire, the floods and hurricanes no longer just affecting poor, low laying neighbourhood or those living in the sticks. Malibu mansions going up in smokes... That's no good.
 
Yea, but then there's the argument that those with more privilege and more wealth ought to take on a greater burden. Be that greater investment in alternative/cleaner energy, or reduce consumption.
Great point, Grasshopper.

Waiting on, Gore, Mann, Suzuki, Di Caprio, Turnbull, Shorten, et al, et al, et al (ad infinitum), to lead the way there.

I may be convinced if that ever happens.
 
Great point, Grasshopper.

Waiting on, Gore, Mann, Suzuki, Di Caprio, Turnbull, Shorten, et al, et al, et al (ad infinitum), to lead the way there.

I may be convinced if that ever happens.

Gotta wait for that Soros cheques to clear first though. :D
 
Waiting on, Gore, Mann, Suzuki, Di Caprio, Turnbull, Shorten, et al, et al, et al (ad infinitum), to lead the way there.

I may be convinced if that ever happens.

Shirley ! You must be joking.
You will never, ever, EVER be convinced that Global Warning is real and dangerous and now overwhelmingly human caused.

I mean it's a great joke but lets not pretend there will ever be sufficient, approriate evidence to change your mind on this issue.
 
Shirley ! You must be joking.
You will never, ever, EVER be convinced that Global Warning is real and dangerous and now overwhelmingly human caused.

I mean it's a great joke but lets not pretend there will ever be sufficient, approriate evidence to change your mind on this issue.

It would have been a good question to ask Turnbull on Q&A though.

"What have you personally done to reduce your CO2 emissions?"

I would have liked to see him squirm on that. :)
 
Shirley ! You must be joking.
You will never, ever, EVER be convinced that Global Warning is real and dangerous and now overwhelmingly human caused.

I mean it's a great joke but lets not pretend there will ever be sufficient, approriate evidence to change your mind on this issue.
My oft stated position hasn't changed.
 
It would have been a good question to ask Turnbull on Q&A though.

"What have you personally done to reduce your CO2 emissions?"
That would be a good question to ask all people saying it's an urgent problem.

For the record, before anyone says what about me, well I won't post a list of boasting points but yes I've put quite a bit of time and $ into that sort of thing over the years and started well before it became fashionable. :2twocents
 
That would be a good question to ask all people saying it's an urgent problem.

For the record, before anyone says what about me, well I won't post a list of boasting points but yes I've put quite a bit of time and $ into that sort of thing over the years and started well before it became fashionable. :2twocents

First step is to recognise there's a problem. Without that... what problem.

What about me? ermm... *whistling... exit stage left. :oops:

But ey, I swear my investment in oil was before I learn anything about these CC things. My wife bought stainless steel straws for the kids. ermm... I recycles. I've given thought to going vegan 'til the wife told me it's a great idea, then detail what I need to do... I'm still thinking about it :D

c'on, I'm only one insignificant person. Pick on the big guys.
 
That would be a good question to ask all people saying it's an urgent problem.

For the record, before anyone says what about me, well I won't post a list of boasting points but yes I've put quite a bit of time and $ into that sort of thing over the years and started well before it became fashionable. :2twocents
:xyxthumbs Just signed up to replace my 10 year old Sharp 1.5 KW solar, with a Fronius 5KW system, to try and help out.:D
 
Obviously never looked beyond the stable yards.

Cool hand Luke, "Yaar just caan't help"
You commos you can't help being insulting twats can you. Nor understand the nuance of any position other that fed to you by political and mercantile vested intetests.

I'll bet you can't even state what my position is.

By the way, our electricity bill is less than $300 a quarter and we don't have solar. And that's just one part of the*real* stuff we do that the Hypocritical Suzukis and Gores of this world don't.

So just go and get stuffed you sanctimonious dick.
 
It would have been a good question to ask Turnbull on Q&A though.

"What have you personally done to reduce your CO2 emissions?"

I would have liked to see him squirm on that. :)
Well... he did spend a few weeks in NY :D

His cloud seeding position still makes me LOL even today.
 
You commos you can't help being insulting twats can you. Nor understand the nuance of any position other that fed to you by political and mercantile vested intetests.

I'll bet you can't even state what my position is.

By the way, our electricity bill is less than $300 a quarter and we don't have solar. And that's just one part of the*real* stuff we do that the Hypocritical Suzukis and Gores of this world don't.

So just go and get stuffed you sanctimonious dick.

Solar forge?
 
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