Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[sptrawler]

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A young woman called Lizia Woolf stepped forward. She hadn’t spoken before, but the passion, grief and fury of her response was utterly compelling. “What is it that you are asking me as a 20-year-old to face and to accept about my future and my life? … This is an emergency. We are facing extinction. When you ask questions like that, what is it you want me to feel?” We had no answer.

I guess someone should have asked her, did she drive to the venue and did she have a mobile phone in her pocket.
It is very easy to demand change, but most would be reluctant to take the lifestyle change that would follow, if it isn't done in a structured controlled manner.

 

[SirRumpole]

I guess someone should have asked her, did she drive to the venue and did she have a mobile phone in her pocket.
It is very easy to demand change, but most would be reluctant to take the lifestyle change that would follow, if it isn't done in a structured controlled manner.

I suppose she could reasonably answer that people can have their cake and eat it too if the uptake of renewables was quicker. I think that's all people are agitating for, cleaner energy not less of it.

In fact we are going to need a lot more electricity if the transport systems are going electric.

 

[wayneL]

Rest my case,

a "Cool Hand..."

You haven't made any case Plod.

 

[luutzu]

I suppose she could reasonably answer that people can have their cake and eat it too if the uptake of renewables was quicker. I think that's all people are agitating for, cleaner energy not less of it.

In fact we are going to need a lot more electricity if the transport systems are going electric.

That's the thing isn't it. We're not saying that machines and gadgets should all be thrown away; or that standard of living be wind back down to save the planet.

Just that there are alternatives. Cleaner, greener, renewable alternatives. Alternatives our engineers and current skill sets can readily bring to reality... and of course improve as we go.

So instead of transitioning, the debate by our politicians and their interested parties seem to be... you either love the coal, it won't hurt ya... or go back to the dark ages.

Seem that those countries with plenty of oil and fossil fuel aren't going to move on it. Good thing the Europeans and the Chinese are taking the lead in the renewables.

 

[sptrawler]

I suppose she could reasonably answer that people can have their cake and eat it too if the uptake of renewables was quicker. I think that's all people are agitating for, cleaner energy not less of it.

In fact we are going to need a lot more electricity if the transport systems are going electric.

Well you need twice as much renewable generation for the same load, as fossil fuels generation and three times as much storage.
So best of luck with that answer.

 

[Smurf1976]

In fact we are going to need a lot more electricity if the transport systems are going electric.

Yep.

I've followed this whole debate for decades now and suffice to say I put the coal lobby and mainstream environmentalists in the exact same group actually. Both have done a lot to thwart progress toward a sustainable future for purely political and/or financial gains.

A current example of that is the proposed NSW - SA interconnection which is one of the pieces of infrastructure needed to make higher use of renewables work. Those who have been around this stuff long enough will be well aware that it's not the first time it has been proposed. Last time it was known as SANI (SA NSW Interconnector) and let's just say environmental groups did everything possible to kill it off, not so much due to anything specific relating to construction or the physical aspects of it but they just didn't like the whole notion of such a link existing.

It's politics first and foremost on both sides. Seen quite a bit of it with my own eyes.

Those in the middle are really the only ones able to come to grips with all this rationally. Those who acknowledge that there's a problem but who aren't running around trying to shut every coal mine by 20xx and making a fuss to grab attention but instead are of the thinking that we need an orderly transition which actually happens. Perhaps oddly, some of the big polluters have slowly but surely joined that group with their corporate thinking.

 

[sptrawler]

That's the thing isn't it. We're not saying that machines and gadgets should all be thrown away; or that standard of living be wind back down to save the planet.

Just that there are alternatives. Cleaner, greener, renewable alternatives. Alternatives our engineers and current skill sets can readily bring to reality... and of course improve as we go.

So instead of transitioning, the debate by our politicians and their interested parties seem to be... you either love the coal, it won't hurt ya... or go back to the dark ages.

Seem that those countries with plenty of oil and fossil fuel aren't going to move on it. Good thing the Europeans and the Chinese are taking the lead in the renewables.

Yes that works well for those Countries that have mountains, rain and high population densities.
With China, they can do it because they can do anything, they don't have a squealing selfobsessed Chardonnay set to pander to. Lol

 

[Ann]

I found something very interesting. All of a sudden the futures of heating oil spiked and now the POO is following, not so dramatically but certainly rising. As I already mentioned on the POO thread in Commodities it is reported the hedge funds are rushing to cover their shorts as it has been announced there is going to be a particularly cold Northern Hemisphere winter this year.

This is likely to be the person and company who they follow for their information as the information and time scale works.

About Perspecta
Perspecta is a proven provider of information solutions, engineering and analytics for government and commercial customers worldwide. With more than 40 years of experience working in the defense, civilian and intelligence communities, Perspecta and its transformational applied research organization, Perspecta Labs, design, develop and deliver high impact, mission-critical services and solutions to overcome its customers most complex problems.

Perspecta, the 2014 recipient of the Northern Virginia Technology Council's Tech Company of the Year Award, has 4,000 employees and is based in Chantilly, Va. For more information about Perspecta and Perspecta Labs, visit perspecta.com and perspectalabs.com.

About Perspecta Weather
As a remote-sensing industry leader, Perspecta has provided systems engineering solutions for state-of-the-art sensor technology and end-to-end imagery analysis and has been heavily involved with weather-related activities throughout its history. Perspecta has provided daily, nationwide weather forecasts to emergency operations centers and worked with the U.S. Air Force Weather Agency on requirements for remote sensing and the verification of weather products. Perspecta has also played a key role in the Air Force Research Laboratory’s efforts to improve its atmospheric model called MODTRAN. Perspecta has supported multiple worldwide ground truth data collects with customized weather forecasts and developed requirements and design for civilian and military weather satellites, including NPOESS, DMSP, Landsat and GOES. In addition to the Air Force, Perspecta has worked closely with a number of government agencies on weather-related projects, including NASA, NOAA, Naval Meteorological and Oceanographic Command, Naval Postgraduate School and various customers in the Intelligence Community.

About Meteorologist Paul Dorian
Paul Dorian of Perspecta received Bachelor of Science and Master of Science degrees in meteorology (1981, 1983) from Penn State University. As a grad student, Paul worked with Dr. Gregory Forbes, currently with The Weather Channel and its severe weather expert, and Dr. John Cahir, Professor of Meteorology (Emeritus), Vice Provost and Dean, (Emeritus). He began his professional career as a meteorologist with NASA’s Climate Branch from 1983-1985 at the Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC) in Greenbelt, Maryland and his work continued there with the Severe Storms Branch from 1985-1990. While at the NASA Severe Storms Branch, Paul worked with Dr. Stephen Koch, current Director of NOAA’s National Severe Storms Laboratory (NSSL) and severe weather expert, and Dr. Louis Uccellini, current Director of NOAA's National Weather Service (NWS) and winter weather expert.

Since 1990, he has worked in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania as a systems engineer with a focus on meteorology-related activities. He has led forecasting efforts for multiple worldwide ground truth data collects with customized weather forecasts to help with the success of these efforts. Additionally, Paul provided his own daily nationwide weather forecast to the Emergency Operations Center of Lockheed Martin with a focus on severe weather potential as a way of securing the safety of their employees. Since June 2011, Paul has operated the company weather web site at perspectaweather.com. Contact via email: paul.b.dorian@perspecta.com

This is the link to his current work which is incredibly interesting and detailed. Well worth a close look.

https://www.perspectaweather.com/20182019-winter-outlook

But I think the thing that frightened the hedge funds and sent them rushing to cover their shorts was his recent blog which just added confirmation to his predictions for 2018/2019 northern winter. You will need to scroll down his blog a little to get to the comment.

https://www.perspectaweather.com/bl...for-much-of-the-mid-atlantic-and-northeast-us

 

[luutzu]

Yes that works well for those Countries that have mountains, rain and high population densities.
With China, they can do it because they can do anything, they don't have a squealing selfobsessed Chardonnay set to pander to. Lol

Australia has sunshine, plenty of desert. Coastline all round. Wind or Solar shouldn't be a problem.

Europe can go hydro. But they seem to be leading the world in wind. Solar adoption is pretty high too.

China and Europe is leading the way to renewable because they cannot afford not to. Can't rely on foreign energy as the main source. Can't really afford to pollute and choke off your plebs anymore... who's going to fight all them wars they're planning right?

Australia seem to like exporting our coals and fossil well enough.

With strong entrench economic interests from the fossils, plenty of places to drill... being rich and having few enough people... meh, we'll just import everything.

Good thing the tax office get a fair share of them finite resources though.

I don't think the environmentalists like chardonnays. Chai tea and soy milk keeps you warm as you try to keep the whole damn place clean for everyone.

 

[sptrawler]

Australia has sunshine, plenty of desert. Coastline all round. Wind or Solar shouldn't be a problem.

Europe can go hydro. But they seem to be leading the world in wind. Solar adoption is pretty high too.

China and Europe is leading the way to renewable because they cannot afford not to. Can't rely on foreign energy as the main source. Can't really afford to pollute and choke off your plebs anymore... who's going to fight all them wars they're planning right?

Australia seem to like exporting our coals and fossil well enough.

With strong entrench economic interests from the fossils, plenty of places to drill... being rich and having few enough people... meh, we'll just import everything.

Good thing the tax office get a fair share of them finite resources though.

I don't think the environmentalists like chardonnays. Chai tea and soy milk keeps you warm as you try to keep the whole damn place clean for everyone.

The only people who will get are fair share, are those who have nothing, we just have to get there grasshopper.
I'm working on it.lol
Then I can be one of the highly regarded battlers, who just didn't get a break, rather than a greedy person who did without and saved.lol

 

[luutzu]

The only people who will get are fair share, are those who have nothing, we just have to get there grasshopper.
I'm working on it.lol

Hey, I got nothing. Where's my fair share?

About to wrap up my little project. Then come the hard part: marketing. Geezus man, this thing never ends. Hope it doesn't end up with me on CentreLink.

 

[sptrawler]

Hey, I got nothing. Where's my fair share?

About to wrap up my little project. Then come the hard part: marketing. Geezus man, this thing never ends. Hope it doesn't end up with me on CentreLink.

I don't know about you, but I'm sure it will for me.

A lifetime of trying and saving, to end up where you would have, without sacrificing anything. Sad really

 

[luutzu]

I don't know about you, but I'm sure it will for me.

A lifetime of trying and saving, to end up where you would have, without sacrificing anything. Sad really

Nothing sad about it really Homer. Sad in that pensioners don't really get much at all but are made out to be some sort of parasite. That's the shameful part.

I mean, how much tax have you and your wife paid over a lifetime right? Raising kids, doing honest work... to get a few bucks to survive in old age and they make it out like these oldies are screwing the system.

Just read that Amazon.com just got itself $5.5B, or more as the public isn't allowed to know all the details... They got over $5B in gov't subsidies to build a HQ/Warehouse they would have to build somewhere anyway.

That's the gov't, using taxpayers money, putting in over half the costs of the project... and getting jack for them cash beside "jobs" and something.

 

[sptrawler]

Yeh, just wished I'd bought an air conditioner, when we lived in the NW. I told the family don't worry we will benefit in the end.
Just wished I'd built a house, rather than getting a $hitbox re stumped and then spent two years rebuilding it.
Just wished, I'd gone back to England before my Grandparents died, but didn't because I wanted to save money.
I just wish I had my time over.

 

[newanimal]

I'm 100% for the releasing all the energy technologies to the world that have been suppressed for reasons that anyone with 2 brain cells can imagine. But I don't know if that will make much of a dent on global warming. Unless we can get all those folks on all the other planets in our solar system to agree to do something about all those cars they must be driving on there respective planets.

 

[Knobby22]

Yeh, just wished I'd bought an air conditioner, when we lived in the NW. I told the family don't worry we will benefit in the end.
Just wished I'd built a house, rather than getting a $hitbox re stumped and then spent two years rebuilding it.
Just wished, I'd gone back to England before my Grandparents died, but didn't because I wanted to save money.
I just wish I had my time over.

Feel for you.
My Mum told me the story of a woman who had scrimped her whole life got wealthy and then got cancer. Caught a plane so she could go to Europe for the first time.Mum was on the plane next to her and the smell was terrible.

Saw an article recently about the fact that most people with money struggle on a part pension because they can't bring themselves to spend the capital.

I have those tendencies and my eldest is now finishing school. Determined to spend money on experiences not horde it like s squirrell. Hard to get the balance right.

 

[Ann]

Low solar activity and its impact on “high-latitude blocking”

In the long term, the sun is the main driver of all weather and climate and multi-decadal trends in solar activity can have major impacts on oceanic and atmospheric temperatures. In addition, empirical observations have shown that the sun can have important ramifications on weather and climate on time scales associated with the average solar cycle (i.e., 11-years). For example, there is evidence that low solar activity years tend to be correlated with more frequent “high-latitude blocking” events. “High-latitude blocking” during the winter season is characterized by persistent high pressure in northern latitude areas such as Greenland, northeastern Canada, and Iceland. Without this type of blocking pattern, it is quite difficult to get sustained cold air outbreaks in the central and eastern US during the winter season and that is usually a critical requirement for snowstorms in, for example, the big cities of the I-95 corridor.
Paul Dorian

Clearly no one bothered to take the time to read the links in my last post here, so the prior quote was the thrust of the very excellent scientific report I previously posted. I have given a full description of who Paul Dorian is and for whom he works and what that companies' work relates to. Please go back and read it carefully.

It is very tiring to continue to hear, fear, propaganda and alarmist rubbish being promoted by people who behave like fundamentalist "True Believers". It is clearly ruining lives of people who lie awake and worry and make life decisions on dodgy "science" and misleading information.

In a nutshell, global climate warming and cooling is cyclical. As the planet warms, more plants grow, plants need CO2 and release oxygen, life thrives. In colder cycles of mini ice-ages life contracts and CO2 falls (put in the simplest terms).The volume of CO2 in the atmosphere is correlative, not causitive to an increase in climate temperatures.

.......Nor understand the nuance of any position other that fed to you by political and mercantile vested intetests.

 

[luutzu]

Yeh, just wished I'd bought an air conditioner, when we lived in the NW. I told the family don't worry we will benefit in the end.
Just wished I'd built a house, rather than getting a $hitbox re stumped and then spent two years rebuilding it.
Just wished, I'd gone back to England before my Grandparents died, but didn't because I wanted to save money.
I just wish I had my time over.

When you don't have money and every cent counts, just have to make the best of it. I don't think you did anything "wrong" or bad.

My mum couldn't go back to VN on her father's death. Couldn't afford it. Could only afford some money to send back to help with the funeral but couldn't afford a ticket to be there. Too many young kids, too poor. I saw her crying for days over it.

As for that "$hitbox". It's shelter. The family got a father who work hard to literally put a house together. That's love man.

 

[Humid]

Yeh, just wished I'd bought an air conditioner, when we lived in the NW. I told the family don't worry we will benefit in the end.
Just wished I'd built a house, rather than getting a $hitbox re stumped and then spent two years rebuilding it.
Just wished, I'd gone back to England before my Grandparents died, but didn't because I wanted to save money.
I just wish I had my time over.

We all have regrets Homer
carpe diem

 

[Knobby22]

Low solar activity and its impact on “high-latitude blocking”

In the long term, the sun is the main driver of all weather and climate and multi-decadal trends in solar activity can have major impacts on oceanic and atmospheric temperatures. .

Yes, he points out that the sun has been quieter for while now producing less

radiation, yet as his shows most of the anomalies are warming despite this. In fact, he thinks if this was the only factor we should be entering another mini ice age and yet the opposite is occurring. Not sure why you think this supports your argument.​