Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[wayneL]

It's the combinations. No wind usually sunny. Tidal generation is now becoming economic also. The currents keep flowing.

And coal needs to be saved for future generations who will be smarter and the future belongs more to them than us hascoudabeens.

Even in combination it's still not viable for baseload power.

If we want to replace coal, and I do think it is a good idea for rreasons other than CO2,emissions, we're going to have to go nuclear or think of something different.

 

[explod]

Even in combination it's still not viable for baseload power.

If we want to replace coal, and I do think it is a good idea for rreasons other than CO2,emissions, we're going to have to go nuclear or think of something different.

I do not agree, nuclear is expensive to get going and years of work to be started. Solar, wind and battery storage science is advancing at a wonderful rate to meet all our needs soon and if the fkn guvnuts gave subsidies to renewables as they do to coal we'd be there now.

Many countries almost have it and we have much more sunshine here. Its been calculated that windmills and solar panels across the Great Australian Bight could supply eight times our needs. And we also have the desert country.

https://www.clickenergy.com.au/news-blog/12-countries-leading-the-way-in-renewable-energy/

 

[wayneL]

I do not agree, nuclear is expensive to get going and years of work to be started. Solar, wind and battery storage science is advancing at a wonderful rate to meet all our needs soon and if the fkn guvnuts gave subsidies to renewables as they do to coal we'd be there now.

Many countries almost have it and we have much more sunshine here. Its been calculated that windmills and solar panels across the Great Australian Bight could supply eight times our needs. And we also have the desert country.

https://www.clickenergy.com.au/news-blog/12-countries-leading-the-way-in-renewable-energy/

Battery storage is the weak link. If we can solve that conundrum, then it could work.

Like I've said before I have a client with an interesting technology, but at this point, we don't have good enough *sustainable storage solutions.

 

[explod]

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Battery storage is the weak link. If we can solve that conundrum, then it could work.

Like I've said before I have a client with an interesting technology, but at this point, we don't have good enough *sustainable storage solutions.

They have batteries now that can hold for 12 months and last 20 years. These matters as I indicated are being resolved at an exponential rate.

 

[orr]

Dear Wayne my benighted darling; Argue with the money, See how you go.

a simple cut and paste:

"0.4 euro

Nuclear energy averages 0.4 euro cents/kWh, much the same as hydro; coal is over 4.0 c/kWh (4.1-7.3), gas ranges 1.3-2.3 c/kWh and only wind shows up better than nuclear, at 0.1-0.2 c/kWh average. NB these are the external costs only."

When you've got that math to work shuffle off to Cannon-Brookes and save his bacon and his billion$$..

More difficult though may be an understanding of 4th generation fast reactor design's ((they involve science) real science)). and a knowledge of where they are under construction and their progress(over the decades)...Ahh Oak Ridge Thorium and the good old'e days, So much promise so little plutonium...

I'd love few things more than my tax going into any one of a number of these loss/leading concepts. Seriously something good may come of it.

But with the 'backwater boy's of the LNP'??? your hav'n a laugh...

 

[Smurf1976]

Battery storage is the weak link. If we can solve that conundrum, then it could work.

Pumped hydro - there's a solution which works. All proven and very doable.

Meanwhile I see that on a certain "News" website the latest is a call to scrap the NYE fireworks in Sydney because apparently they're "insensitive" to bushfire victims.

Surely that's a planted story to make a mockery of the whole issue. Present a draconian and over the top idea in an attempt to make anyone genuinely concerned about climate change seem like a raving lunatic.

Set the crackers off and focus on real solutions not sensationalist silly ones.

 

[wayneL]

Link: https://www.ace-eco.org/vol8/iss2/art10/

 

[wayneL]

Dear Wayne my benighted darling; Argue with the money, See how you go.

a simple cut and paste:

"0.4 euro

Nuclear energy averages 0.4 euro cents/kWh, much the same as hydro; coal is over 4.0 c/kWh (4.1-7.3), gas ranges 1.3-2.3 c/kWh and only wind shows up better than nuclear, at 0.1-0.2 c/kWh average. NB these are the external costs only."

When you've got that math to work shuffle off to Cannon-Brookes and save his bacon and his billion$$..

More difficult though may be an understanding of 4th generation fast reactor design's ((they involve science) real science)). and a knowledge of where they are under construction and their progress(over the decades)...Ahh Oak Ridge Thorium and the good old'e days, So much promise so little plutonium...

I'd love few things more than my tax going into any one of a number of these loss/leading concepts. Seriously something good may come of it.

But with the 'backwater boy's of the LNP'??? your hav'n a laugh...

Dear (b)orr(e)

I don't believe those numbers, empirical evidence does not support them.

Also, I haven't voted LNP, LPA, NPA, CLP or any of their proxies in the Senate for very long time. Neither did I vote for them in the last federal election, and would only ever consider them in the reps in the future, in order to help keep the postmodern heathen of the - now laughably named - Labour Party from power.

So, please go and do an impossible autoerotic act.

 

[cynic]

My apologies for the late notice folks!

I only just found out about this one, this very same morning, and nominations will be closing today!

https://www.thegwpf.com/nominations-open-in-our-green-hypocrite-of-the-year-competition/

The outcome will undoubtedly be difficult to predict, especially given the abundant supply of worthy contenders.

 

[IFocus]

Dr Karl


https://australiascience.tv/vod/dr-...3V42WPtdOokvbszkshol3GaxVHakEU8xosDUHjGgSjMIw

 

[basilio]

Dr Karl


https://australiascience.tv/vod/dr-...3V42WPtdOokvbszkshol3GaxVHakEU8xosDUHjGgSjMIw

One could watch Karl and get the evidence behind what is happening with global warming as well as the reasons why so many people refuse to accept it and then the solutions.

But that would be far too simple wouldn't it ?

Crystal clear.

 

[basilio]

Back to reality. 1

We need politicians to have the guts to admit it's going to hurt to fight climate change
Greg Jericho
Any political party that really wants to take action needs to be honest with the public: it won’t be pleasant and it will be costly
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...mit-its-going-to-hurt-to-fight-climate-change

 

[basilio]

Back to reality 2
Rupert Murdoch says 'no climate change deniers around' – but his writers prove him wrong
Some columnists in News Corp’s papers didn’t get their boss’s message

Amy Remeikis
Sun 15 Dec 2019 06.00 AEDT Last modified on Sun 15 Dec 2019 14.33 AEDT

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Rupert Murdoch’s declaration last month that ‘there are no climate change deniers’ at News Corp must have been missed by many of the publisher’s columnists. Photograph: Matt Baron/REX/Shutterstock
“There are no climate change deniers around I can assure you,” Rupert Murdoch said last month at News Corp’s annual general meeting.

His declaration that the publisher of the Daily Telegraph, the Australian and owner of Sky News was free of climate deniers was widely greeted with mirth.

The next day the geologist Ian Plimer proved Murdoch’s doubters correct when he published an opinion piece in the Australian claiming the major pollution in western nations was “the polluting of minds about the role of carbon dioxide”.

“There are no carbon emissions,” he wrote. “If there were, we could not see because most carbon is black. Such terms are deliberately misleading, as are many claims.”

And it gets so much better... Kenny, Bolt, Blair and the remainder of the usual Murdoch suspects
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...eniers-around-but-his-writers-prove-him-wrong

 

[rederob]

The thread title really deserved to be
"Global Warming Denial is Unstoppable."

 

[sptrawler]

An alarmist is what a denialist calls a realist.

A denialist is what an alarmist calls a skeptic.

Don't you love English.

I just find it sad, that there it has to be so black or white, a person is either an absolute believer and treats it as a religion, otherwise they are classed as a denier.
I guess perception management companies, find that works best?
The church has been using the same ploy for centuries, you are a believer, or you go to hell.

 

[rederob]

I just find it sad, that there it has to be so black or white, a person is either an absolute believer and treats it as a religion, otherwise they are classed as a denier.
I guess perception management companies, find that works best?
The church has been using the same ploy for centuries, you are a believer, or you go to hell.

Why not revert to what the science shows and stop your malarkey because it's folk like you that help perpetuate the myth that what is happening is somehow "religious."
Nothing requires that you believe anything, but if you choose not to understand something and then claim that what you do not understand is something other than what it really is, then you are just adding another baseless opinion to the mix.

 

[sptrawler]

Why not revert to what the science shows and stop your malarkey because it's folk like you that help perpetuate the myth that what is happening is somehow "religious."
Nothing requires that you believe anything, but if you choose not to understand something and then claim that what you do not understand is something other than what it really is, then you are just adding another baseless opinion to the mix.

Rob I know you are passionate about it and your self belief is unshakable, but it doesn't make you 100% correct in everything you quote.
Just re read your posts in the Folau thread, to show that an absolute belief in an outcome, doesn't mean it will be so.

 

[wayneL]

The thread title really deserved to be
"Global Warming Denial is Unstoppable."

Who is denying warming? What is at issue is the attribution.

 

[wayneL]

Greta busted as a fraud again.

 

[moXJO]

Rob I know you are passionate about it and your self belief is unshakable, but it doesn't make you 100% correct in everything you quote.
Just re read your posts in the Folau thread, to show that an absolute belief in an outcome, doesn't mean it will be so.

Lets not forget all those other threads where I was right and rob was oh so wrong.

I think its important to point that out.... often.


On climate change I'd back rob. But they really fcuked up the message and here we are after almost 2 decades.

I'm with plod in that its too late to do anything in Australia (or the world for that matter) for any meaningful effect, except for preparation and sandbagging.