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[Value Hunter]

There are some very key huge labour shortages. Google “Australian doctor shortage” for just one example of an industry facing real problems.

there are also shortages of Many different Trades and labourers.

332 Jobs Types in shortage

and it’s not as simple as just giving Microwave Jenny some incentive to cease being an unemployed florist’s assistant and become a doctor or engineer.

Of course there are select jobs in shortage but overall there are not widespread shortages.

 

[divs4ever]

You have to give incentives to working simple and easy...but need political courage: less taxes, less welfare more freedom of movement..stamp duty on house moves, uniform legislation among states for all tickets, uniform education cursus, childcare spaces so that moving with kids is not an issue
Etc etc
Mobility improves productivity, reduces inflation and labour shortages

show them what sort of HECS debt they are liable to incur with Tertiary Education that will flush a few of the mathematically adept ones into the work force .

don't wait for hints of political courage , they are so rare

 

[divs4ever]

Well, we just have to direct universities and TAFE's to provide courses for which labour is needed and not waste resources on courses for barristas or artists and other useless occupations.

It's a matter of getting the priorities right.

the priority in tertiary education institutions is to get butts on campus , and THAT is a big problem

 

[divs4ever]

Of course there are select jobs in shortage but overall there are not widespread shortages.

the major shortage is skill at many jobs , but that is no new thing , plenty will punch in/punch out , not so many are producing effectively

 

[JohnDe]

the major shortage is skill at many jobs , but that is no new thing , plenty will punch in/punch out , not so many are producing effectively

My partner works for one of the major care providers which assists the homeless, elderly, poor, and so on. The past year they have seen a huge increase of foreign students requiring food bundles. All the students have part time jobs but the government rules limit the amount of hours they can work. Rent and other expenses leave them with very little money for decent living.

Governments and unions don’t want students working too much.

 

[Value Collector]

Well, we just have to direct universities and TAFE's to provide courses for which labour is needed and not waste resources on courses for barristas or artists and other useless occupations.

It's a matter of getting the priorities right.

I am not sure I want to live in a society without Art or Baristas . The are all part of the division of labour that makes modern society good.

 

[Value Collector]

Of course there are select jobs in shortage but overall there are not widespread shortages.

It is pretty wide spread in all the professional and skilled categories.

 

[moXJO]

There are some very key huge labour shortages. Google “Australian doctor shortage” for just one example of an industry facing real problems.

there are also shortages of Many different Trades and labourers.

332 Jobs Types in shortage

and it’s not as simple as just giving Microwave Jenny some incentive to cease being an unemployed florist’s assistant and become a doctor or engineer.

Wasn't this because the organisation that oversees the doctors registration or training has a threshold to keep their prices high?

They were against flooding the market (from memory on something I heard years ago)

 

[moXJO]

Our education system, especially tertiary education needs an overhaul.
The red tape in this country is also a restrictive burden pushed by bureaucracy wanks.

 

[sptrawler]

Anyway getting back to reality, rather than anecdotal chatter.



Source Michael Reid, OECD, financial review

 

[SirRumpole]

I am not sure I want to live in a society without Art or Baristas . The are all part of the division of labour that makes modern society good.

Art comes naturally to those good enough, barristing can be learned online, they should not be government funded.

Anyway, art is subjective , your Mona Lisa might be my Blue Poles.

 

[SirRumpole]

Anyway getting back to reality, rather than anecdotal chatter.

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Source Michael Reid, OECD, financial review

Would be interesting to see rate of population increase alongside. Spain went down by .08%, Australia went up 1.0%.

So, population growth is good for us ???

 

[Smurf1976]

and it’s not as simple as just giving Microwave Jenny some incentive to cease being an unemployed florist’s assistant and become a doctor or engineer.

The trades are an obvious area.

Go back one generation and anyone offering an apprenticeship was flooded with applicants.

Today someone offering an apprenticeship will be lucky if they can fill the job with anyone decent.

What changed? Well society's created a narrative that it's uni or nothing, anything else is second rate and obtaining a degree in anything beats any alternative option not involving university.

End result is we've an abundance of people with a degree but we're desperately short on people in the trades or even basic work like driving buses.

 

[Value Collector]

Art comes naturally to those good enough, barristing can be learned online, they should not be government funded.

Anyway, art is subjective , your Mona Lisa might be my Blue Poles.

I don’t know about that, because it does seem many of australia‘s big acting exports all went to acting schools, its like saying an athlete doesn’t need a coach.

Even Walt Disney Himself says the first thing he did when he had a bit of money was to put all his artists back in school.

listen to Walt at the 2 Min mark. Talk about the importance of art school, the art produced by Walt Disney studios by people that went to Walt’s art school still generates Millions of dollars of earning per year.

listen to at the 2min mark

 

[Value Collector]

The trades are an obvious area.

Go back one generation and anyone offering an apprenticeship was flooded with applicants.

Today someone offering an apprenticeship will be lucky if they can fill the job with anyone decent.

What changed? Well society's created a narrative that it's uni or nothing, anything else is second rate and obtaining a degree in anything beats any alternative option not involving university.

End result is we've an abundance of people with a degree but we're desperately short on people in the trades or even basic work like driving buses.

True to a point, but many of the jobs in shortage require a degree, eg doctors, engineers etc etc.

we seem to have way to many realestate agents though.

 

[Value Collector]

Would be interesting to see rate of population increase alongside. Spain went down by .08%, Australia went up 1.0%.

So, population growth is good for us ???

The average wage in Spain is still only about half of that in Australia, so they need a few more years of growth before the can match Australia.

 

[SirRumpole]

I don’t know about that, because it does seem many of australia‘s big acting exports all went to acting schools, its like saying an athlete doesn’t need a coach.

Even Walt Disney Himself says the first thing he did when he had a bit of money was to put all his artists back in school.

listen to Walt at the 2 Min mark. Talk about the importance of art school, the art produced by Walt Disney studios by people that went to Walt’s art school still generates Millions of dollars of earning per year.

listen to at the 2min mark

Dear old Walt actually nailed it when he said he set up his own art school.

He didn't need government money, he knew what he wanted and made sure his employees got the right training.

So there is room for industry training in specialised areas, but would the AMA set up a school to train doctors ? It's not within their financial capability. The issue is about government funding of what is necessary and leave it to industry to fund training in areas that they need.

 

[divs4ever]

I am not sure I want to live in a society without Art or Baristas . The are all part of the division of labour that makes modern society good.

but a multi-year uni/TAFE course , c'mon those with talent are obvious by the time they leave primary school , at worst all you have to do is instruct on the mediums used and on-line videos ( not paid subscriptions ) can supply that

 

[JohnDe]

Well, we just have to direct universities and TAFE's to provide courses for which labour is needed and not waste resources on courses for barristas or artists and other useless occupations.

It's a matter of getting the priorities right.

Exactly.
I get it, art is important to life and culture. But get on with the art and stop trying to tell everyone what is wrong and right, and how to live. The problem , as I see it, is too many left leaning people thinking that they know it all but don't want to listen to the facts.

My sibling is an artist, has been for the past 38 of 54 years. Mixes with all the artist groups, has numerous qualifications from TAFE and Uni, currently finishing of a PHD in Arts, numerous art shows under the belt, sold art, been the typical struggling artist with a good list of odd jobs to survive, as well as welfare. We love each other dearly, but the constant complaining from all those associated with arts about lack of funding for the arts and artists and the lack of support from us plebs does my head in. Earth without art is just “eh” Well a country without enough trades people is one with a housing crisis and governments shoving mass immigration down our throats to try and fix all the problems they created.

Check out the graph showing Share of recent university graduates employed full-time in Australia in 2022, by study area






The chart below shows a lot of study in the Health field. The problem is not a shortage of doctors, it is a shortage of GP's. Why is there an oversupply of doctors in Australia but a shortage of GPs?

Education and Work, Australia, May 2023

Data on engagement in work and/or study, current and recent study, qualifications, and transitions to work

www.abs.gov.au

 

[Value Collector]

Dear old Walt actually nailed it when he said he set up his own art school.

He didn't need government money, he knew what he wanted and made sure his employees got the right training.

So there is room for industry training in specialised areas, but would the AMA set up a school to train doctors ? It's not within their financial capability. The issue is about government funding of what is necessary and leave it to industry to fund training in areas that they need.

His artists had already been to the regular art schools, but we don’t expect lawyers to set up law schools, hospitals to set up medical schools, accounting firms to set up accounting schools.

and anyway, don’t tertiary students have to pay back their school fees via HECS anyway?

I used to think Art wasn’t productive economically, but I had realised it’s bigger and more productive than you first think, and crosses over into many industries. Think of the advertising industry, fashion, film making, tourism, music, packaging, sign writing, architecture it’s endless.