You are really confused about what is at issue.1. I don't need to explain anything. Why is that? Because:
You have the LAW as stated.
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Then you have the case law, explaining, defining, and providing an interpretation of the statutory law for you:
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Then you have the evidence: these are the un-challenged facts.
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Then you ask given the evidence: are the Officer's actions reasonable:
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The conclusion can only be from applying the law to the facts that the Officer's actions were lawful. Therefore your issue:
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Is answered: the Officer's actions were lawful: therefore racism cannot occur.
2. Of course he can. The individual was seen sitting behind the building. He never denied this. There were Trespassing sign(s). This was never denied or challenged. By detaining the individual and ascertaining whether that individual has the legal right to be on the property in question, the Officer can very easily determine whether a crime had been committed. To ascertain that information however, the Officer needs to ask questions and seek confirmation (see above) wherever possible.
3. Who's talking about arrest. We are talking about your issue of racism. You seem unable to stay on topic.
4. Another attempt to divert the conversation away from the issue: which is:
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Are the Officer's actions lawful with regard to your allegation of racism.
Or do you want to modify your allegation to include new allegations that so far (you claim) include: false claims, dishonesty, etc. In other words you want to change boats mid-stream.
jog on
duc
1. You are really confused about what is at issue.
2. No action he took was lawful.
3. Instead, every element of the officer's interaction was textbook racism playing out.
4. The independent review noted "he erred in believing he had reasonable suspicion that a trespass was occurring" so the "pedestrian stop" (as he called it in) was unsound.
5. That's somewhat unsurprising except, perhaps, to a person who has no concept of what is reasonable.
G'day Rob n Duc,
Can we please drop it?
Agree to disagree etc?
Much obliged old chaps.
F.Rick
Unless an impartial jury makes a determination, the argument goes nowhere !Unfortunately it is just one of those things that will need to play out. You'll just have to place us on ignore or get Joe to move us to the sin bin.
jog on
duc
Unless an impartial jury makes a determination, the argument goes nowhere !
Did this student case ever go to court ? What was the result ?
Sorry I don't have time to go through it all.
The trouble i see with your determination in answering to Rederob point by point and even with facts is that this is the attitude which created the repressed henchmen found from Nazi Germany to Stalin goulag and Polpot camps.No idea.
However, apparently there is an independent review. Just waiting for it to be posted up. That may shed further light on the matter.
jog on
duc
Let's hope the fall of the US will be a very slow process
Thus the thread.In jest only..well i hope
The police officer resigned and the City of Boulder agreed to settle all claims made by the student.That is one way to look at it.
The other way is simply evaluate the arguments put forward to date.
jog on
duc
I believe there is a documentary highlighting the fact that the American prison system is in fact a thriving sub economy for the US, meaning, certain individuals and many companies rely on the system and the fact it's over populated for their capitalism ventures and State sanctioned slave labour...The next step will be mass resignations in the police force IMO, like I said in one of the early posts, this will all lead to no men or vey few men applying for the police force.
When you have 3% of the population being convicted and imprisoned to make up 33% of inmates, I dont think it can be put down to racial prejudice.
Just my opinion.
Off topic but in reply: if you have not binge watched "Orange is the New Black", you should.I believe there is a documentary highlighting the fact that the American prison system is in fact a thriving sub economy for the US, meaning, certain individuals and many companies rely on the system and the fact it's over populated for their capitalism ventures and State sanctioned slave labour...
As for copper's quitting, most likely very few could afford to quit...
I think the context is "if" it were to happen not a prediction that it will actually occur.Who said anything about a march where it was ok to smash things ? Who said we should have riots in Oz ? A protest is not a riot or smashing things up.
I find the double standard.... Interesting.I don't have anything against peaceful protests. But I hope we don't get a spike in COVID numbers as a result, because how can social distancing be kept in a crowded protest ?
I don't have anything against peaceful protests. But I hope we don't get a spike in COVID numbers as a result, because how can social distancing be kept in a crowded protest ?
OK, there is a little self interest in it as well.I find the double standard.... Interesting.
I can't sit next to someone in a restaurant and the local feckin pub still isn't open, but, indulging in a copy cat protest/riot?
Well that's perfectly okay.
On this narrow point, I'm with the protesters, but not the antifa, marxist rioters.
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