greggles
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I think you might have spoken too soon, we'll see where it's at in the morning.I was wrong about the bounce and now I've turned short term bearish. I think we're probably going down another 5% at least as some people and institutions rotate out of precious metals now that Trump has been elected. The $US has bounced on Trumpmania and hopes for a better economy and more geopolitical stability. PMs have suffered since yesterday and I think they will continue to suffer for a while yet before gold and silver eventually bounce back once reality sets in.
I think gold will test US$2,500 soon, and could even go much lower.
I was wrong about the bounce and now I've turned short term bearish. I think we're probably going down another 5% at least as some people and institutions rotate out of precious metals now that Trump has been elected. The $US has bounced on Trumpmania and hopes for a better economy and more geopolitical stability. PMs have suffered since yesterday and I think they will continue to suffer for a while yet before gold and silver eventually bounce back once reality sets in.
I think gold will test US$2,500 soon, and could even go much lower.
Unfortunately, not one of my low ball bids got ticked.I have put in quite a few low ball bid on goldies.
TCG, RSG, WAF and EVN are all in my sights.
I am also preparing to load up on silver - SBVL, ARD and even the dreaded MKR.
The gold/Silver pull back may go further, i do not know.
However, I am confident that once the dust settles and people realise that the rest of the world is shunning the USD, gold will become more important.
If trump brings in Tarriffs against other countries, there will be even less need for them to hold USD reserves.
Gold and other physical commodities are only going one way.
mick
Gold and silver both hitting some support levels.
Gold is right on some week support, but I don't like it.
The next level is where GLD will likely be hitting the 50 dma so perhaps a bounce from there around the black circle.
Silver is back to it's last breakout point around $32.25 ish mark. Hopefully the JPM traders are watching that for a trade, and not the Cup.
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That is why I have been successful, my gut is huge.What were the most important lessons learnt.
- Stick with your gut.
gg
Hi @finicky I miss the first one, mulberry,?
As for the second picture, is it real,?
Thanks, i agree and do not think anyone can change the debt situation in the US,/ the West and all the implications so gold bug, silver is where i do hesitate: silver as industrial use or value store...or both and then best of both worldHi @qldfrog
First pic, ripening investment, I don't pick early.
Second pic, can wait too long, we're mortal.
Pretty useless comment from me, pics were already in my file, but needless to say I have not had the faintest impulse to liquidate any of my gold/silver account nor sell any gold mining shares. But I am to the far right of the speculator/investor spectrum. I've been surprised actually to see people jumpy and reading so much into a Trump victory. The fundamentals of money debasement, central bank accumulation aren't changing in the least!
All the experts and commentators are predicting a bearish start to next week with further falls for up to 2 months. For the life of me I cannot see this on last weeks chart. As to the selling on Election Day and up to Friday's close there was an initial rise and then a marked fall to $2640 but then a recovery initially to $2700 and ending the week at $2683.
The volume seems more like panic selling with wiser consistent opportunistic buys. I'll not be selling any gold next week.
Elon Musk it s rumoured is taking profits on his hoard of BTC which should help Gold as well. BRICS would have factored in a Trump victory so they'll be buying on weakness.
All in all even if I'm wrong the medium to long term story for Gold still holds.
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All in all even if I'm wrong the medium to long term story for Gold still holds.
I'm with you guys, I see this as just a normal correction in the up trend. Not sure how far it may go down or sideways but there is still room to fall without negating the up trend.Long term, sure, still bullish.
AUD USD pair now below 0.66.for whatever reason, the USD is considered a safehaven, a mostly weird consideration but that is the way the dominant market behaves.
Whenever there is a crisis, a level of uncertainty, the potential for great change, the USD will always go up against everything.
For those who think that Trumps's ascension to to his heavenly throne will bring all manner of disaster, my advice to you is to buy the USD.
Mick
DNB sold another 650 tonnes from 1992 until 2008.With the United States, Germany, Switzerland, France, and Italy, the Netherlands belongs to the group of countries with the largest gold reserves... Within the European Community, when gold reserves are considered in relation to GDP, the Netherlands was and is one of the largest gold-holding countries. On this basis, [DNB] reduced its gold reserves from 1,707 tonnes to 1,307 tonnes in the fall of 1992.
When he was asked who the buyers were, he answered:Through gold sales in the past, the Dutch central bank brought its relative gold holdings more in line with other important gold-holding nations.
Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad covered the 400 tonnes sale by DNB to the PBoC in 1992 and mentioned:The buyers are developing nations whose international reserves are growing or historically have a small gold stock.
Even China was in on balancing reserves.China announced that it is working to build up its [gold] reserves in order to bring it more in line with the size of Chinese GDP.
A statement from the central bank of Austria (OeNB) addresses its gold to total reserves and GDP ratio:The Swiss National Bank completed its gold selling program of 1,300 tonnes on March 30, 2005. Before these sales, Switzerland’s relative position with respect to gold holdings was extreme among the G10 countries.
OeNB reveals that gold and foreign exchange reserves are balanced relative to each other and the size of the Austrian economy, affirming the correlations shown in charts 2, 3, and 4.… the volume of gold held by OeNB is deemed to be appropriate relative to the size of both its total reserve assets and the Austrian economy [GDP].
Because the gold price and France’s GDP are not static, the Banque de France’s citing of a gold-to-GDP ratio of 4% must be viewed in comparison to its peers.The Banque de France stores 2,435 tonnes of gold in its Underground Vault … These are France’s national gold reserves, valued at around EUR 80 billion. France’s gross domestic product (GDP) is over EUR 2 trillion …. The national gold reserves are thus equivalent to 4% of GDP.
As time goes on, this story about balancing gold reserves for a coming gold standard keeps strengthening.In 2017, Polish gold reserves amounted to only 100 tonnes, constituting only 1 percent of GDP. Today, it is over 3 percent of Polish GDP. The National Bank of Poland [NBP] has made justified decisions to significantly increase gold reserves. In the future, … it should buy another 120 tonnes of gold. This level would correspond to … 4 percent of GDP, a level similar to that in the eurozone. It seems that in the near future, this will be the new gold standard for the entire eurozone. These reserves will have to be adjusted to the size of the economy.
You can imagine these quotes made me fire FOI requests all over Europe because they revealed there had to be a political consensus for equalizing gold reserves. Alas, to no avail. The European gold plan is probably “unofficial” not to upset Uncle Sam.HOUBEN: [Gold] is really an outstanding commodity to base an exchange rate system on. … If we ever unexpectedly have to create a new currency or a systemic risk arises, the public can have confidence in DNB because whatever money we issue, we can back it with the same value in gold.
In the 1970s, and we did that exercise again in the 1980s and 1990s, we looked at how much gold we had and whether that was still in proportion. … And then we looked at what, globally, what other major central banks were doing. We concluded that we owned too much gold. Our stock of gold was then reduced to about the average of the larger gold-holding countries in Europe.
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DIJKMAN: So how do you determine what is an appropriate amount then?
HOUBEN: We have about 4% of our GDP in our gold reserves. And that's comparable to France, Germany, and Italy. … I think it's more than enough because if everything collapses, then the value of those gold reserves shoots up it skyrockets. … This is not a choice that DNB makes alone. This is in consultation with our shareholders. And that is, of course, the Ministry of Finance, with whom we are in close consultation about our balance sheet and the risks we bear. And also the gold reserves, which are part of that.
Exceptional words from an institution that itself issues a paper currency and can go belly up. We can’t conclude Banca d'Italia trusts its own currency, can we?Gold is an excellent hedge against adversity. … Another good reason for holding a large position in gold is as protection against high inflation since gold tends to keep its value over time. Moreover, unlike foreign currencies, gold cannot depreciate or be devalued …
Gold … is not an asset “issued” by a government or a central bank and so does not depend on the issuer’s solvency.
The French central banks suggests that gold is “the ultimate store of value.” According to former President of the German central bank, Jens Weidmann, gold is “the bedrock of stability for the international monetary system.” And a member of the Board of the Bank of Finland called gold “a genuinely global means of payment [and] a safe haven against both economic and political risks.”Shares, bonds, and other securities are not without risk, and prices can go down. But a bar of gold retains its value, even in times of crisis.
Gold is the perfect piggy bank—it’s the anchor of trust for the financial system. If the system collapses, the gold stock can serve as a basis to build it up again.
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