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Wavepicker, thats a very tradable $300 move you've marked out for gold. Let us know if you put on shorts to catch it, where and when. If you're right, thats a lot of money to be made.
No offence, but Prechter was the biggest EW guru with gold, and he's been calling for $250 gold ever since it broke over $400, so EWers haven't had a good record with gold this bull.
Also, I'm no EWer but if I was, I'd tend to start the count at the second double bottom, at end of 00, not first one in mid 99. The gold shares show it much clearer, that the second double bottom was the beginning of the gold bull.
On a different note if Gold does correct here, as the US$ rises, you would think this would be bullish for equities, which brings us to your point above, and try and place a wave count without the bias of fundamentals.Sometimes difficult to do !!
Hello RS. In the last 30 years Prechter has had a good record with Gold, but I admit that Elliotticians do make mistakes with trades, they also make some stunning trades(just like most other traders).
I actually bought Gold in April 2001 on a recommendaton from Prechters Elliott Wave Theorist saying back then that pessimism toward Gold back then had reached extreme levels.
Re the EW count, why would you start your count at the low of 2001 anyway??. To me that is a classic second wave. You would have found that pessimism toward Gold was at it's worst at the terminus of the wave 2 in 2001, more so even than 1999 even though it was at higher levels in 2001.
Cheers
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I also agree EW can be amazingly accurate...The problem is most EWs all interpret different wave counts in real time
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and secondly and more importantly, you must have the fundamentals right, and the fundamental direction right, then TA, EW etc help on timing. If technicals are your CORE belief, rather tahn fundamentals, 90% are doomed to failure.
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My other question which wasn't answered, and goes for all posting, is your money where your views are? If so, say when and where you are short, and til when. I am fully long, and so if gold goes to the $600s, $700s or even low $800s, my portfolio is likely to be a bit bloodied. Its easy to sit at a computer and philosophise, but a bit meaningless if you are stating a clear opinion and there is no substance or money behind the views.
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=Porper;285021]This is where most Elliot Wave disbelievers point their argument and it is actually just plain not true.Once you study and learn a little more than the basics you will find that most counts are very similar, also you tend to find that there will be a primary count (most likely), then a secondary etc, etc.
This thread is about peoples views on where Gold is heading, not a live trade arena.For some people this view is done using Elliot Wave, others, fundamentals or even other patterns.
We'll agree to disagree on the TA alone making money. I believe you can do it for a few years, but then will give it all back.
I didn't know he had as I don't follow his service.Apparantly he has been calling a bear market for years, again only hear say.Doesn't mean that most of his calls are wrong.He has certainly proved himself in other ways, winning the trading champs for one.Why then has Prechter continually changed his counts umpteen times for the last few years. And he's supposedly the guru ??.
Not quite sure why you bring this up, this has nothing to do with the discussionRead any trading thread about paper trading vs real trading, course it makes a difference.
Well, I would disagree with this, I personally know people who trade purely using T/A and they are highly successful and have been for umpteen years.We'll agree to disagree on the TA alone making money. I believe you can do it for a few years, but then will give it all back.
I didn't know he had as I don't follow his service.Apparantly he has been calling a bear market for years, again only hear say.Doesn't mean that most of his calls are wrong.He has certainly proved himself in other ways, winning the trading champs for one.
Not quite sure why you bring this up, this has nothing to do with the discussion
Well, I would disagree with this, I personally know people who trade purely using T/A and they are highly successful and have been for umpteen years.
Of course we could say the same about fundamentalists being unable to be long term profitable, just look how many brokers continually have strong buy recs on companies plunging in share price.However I won't say that as I simply don't know.
and I do not ask anyone else to swallow what I say.
But many a Fundamentalist seem to think they have Knowledge to tell others what they can't themselves achieve will be the same for everyone else.
We'll agree to disagree on the TA alone making money. I believe you can do it for a few years, but then will give it all back.
Yes thanks, obviously the T/A V Fundamental question gets you fired up for you to explod like thisWhat has fundamentalism got to do with Brokers recommendations. Do you know what fundamental analysis is.
Well, at least we agree on one point.Now do most brokers use T/A or fundamentals ?Brokers are the worst person's to listen to from my experience.
Why is he the most successful, how do you quantify that statement.Warren Buffet the most successful long term trader and investor does not use T/A.
To miss the last 70-80% of the gold bull I wouldn't call a good record. Yes he maybe got the oversold bottom in 01, but he was only calling for a corrective bounce he didn't recognise that the trend of the last 20 years had changed, when it had bounced, he continued calling for $250 for years, refusing to admit he was wrong. He still thinks gold is in a bear mkt and has just been changing his labeling to validate his bearish beliefs. Its got the point of being ridiculous, and of course causing his followers to miss out on most of the gains, or worse still lose if they kept going short.
I also agree EW can be amazingly accurate...The problem is most EWs all interpret different wave counts in real time, and secondly and more importantly, you must have the fundamentals right, and the fundamental direction right, then TA, EW etc help on timing. If technicals are your CORE belief, rather tahn fundamentals, 90% are doomed to failure.
My other question which wasn't answered, and goes for all posting, is your money where your views are? If so, say when and where you are short, and til when. I am fully long, and so if gold goes to the $600s, $700s or even low $800s, my portfolio is likely to be a bit bloodied. Its easy to sit at a computer and philosophise, but a bit meaningless if you are stating a clear opinion and there is no substance or money behind the views.
Yes there is a place for fundementals, but it ain't the fundementals or T/A IMO that drives the market, it's sentiment and social mood.
Yes thanks, obviously the T/A V Fundamental question gets you fired up for you to explod like this
Well, at least we agree on one point.Now do most brokers use T/A or fundamentals ?
Why is he the most successful, how do you quantify that statement.
This is way off topic now anyway, this has bugga all to do with where Gold is going and why it is where it is.
Ditto, Ditto, Ditto, Ditto,
Ditto, Ditto, Ditto, Ditto...
Indeed. A point I suscribe to and often mention, but often people interpret ones observation of the market as a personal 'sentiment'.
Trembling Hand: I don't care what method anyone uses. If they can make it work fine. But if someone makes a statement like the above it has to be challenged as it is clearly wrong.
Absolutely not. The random walk theory is one of the biggest lies in Economics. I always use TA. (although part of the reason it works is cos its a self-fullfilling prophecy as nearly everyone uses it)I assume you believe such results are just random??
Wavepicker: "Sorry but completely and utterly disgaree with you with regard to having fundementals right first. Yes there is a place for fundementals, but it ain't the fundementals or T/A IMO that drives the market, it's sentiment and social mood" .
Explain this if you will, why has our equities market crashed over the last 6 months when all we hear is how robust the Aussie economy is and the fundementals are underpinning it's growth??
I personally do not make public all my trades except to a few close trading friends (some from this forum).
At present I have no positions in Gold but will make public my movements since you have interest. However by the same token we wish to know when you will be long and short as well.
It doesn't come from me originally, (but I agree with it) ....... That TA without correct FA will at best break even in the long run. Of course he's not stupid enough to say no-one can make a living trading using TA.
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