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There's something else that's different too , this time Asian Banks , not referring to the Japanese banks here , are cashed up . They learnt from the 90's , Japan kept on printing and hasn't stopped . A look over the majority of Chinese banks shows their ledgers in far better shape , capital wise , than their western counterparts .
Any bank caught holding the former AAA issues will find they've either dropped to AA or A , yet we still are not clear on the values , as the same entities have rerated them . Bonds were on the exit last week , the week before and so on .
I keep hearing the same sickening cue card rhetoric from nearly every so called analyst ( which desperately need rerating themselves ) , " if you can stand some pain look long term " , we need to rephrase this , because it really means , " if you can afford to lose value on an asset in terms of pricing and wait for that value and maybe a premium to return " . That's what they really mean .
Those rerated issues , dependant on which rating is gets placed , will see further writedowns , it will be in the billions though and all with a minimum in double digits , it gets an A rating make it the high doubles to triple digits .
That's still to come , it is in the process right now , but we won't see those figures for a little while longer , then there's the resets , there to come also .
Many spinners would have us all believe the bad news of the bad news is already out there .
Bollocks to that , the SEC has only just started to inform banks of their need to co-operate with enquiries , you see there's this thing called massive fraud and deception to be accounted for yet . If not that then the only other plausible excuse is negligence . Either outcome will see legal action that will take years and years to see a point of closure reached . There will be a huge reduction in the funds sector and that's not a maybe , it too is yet to come .
Add to all this the matter of nationalism that has only started to re-emerge and we will see an entirely new financial sector with a whole new list of meaningless reforms paraded out for the markets . With all the old promises renewed taboot , in short more spin , from a different angle .
The laugh I had was when it was spruiked that manufacturing can make up for any slack in the ISM as it fell to 41.9 for Jan . That's a massive contraction from the previous 54.4 in Dec and the December numbers looked bogus anyway .
No it's going to take investors a little longer to get over the last round of inaccurracies dished out . The data flows that were used to flood markets are now in question also , that lays squarely at the feet of the cash for comment programs ............ and they would know it too .
These type of events in markets always see a line up of litigation and incarceration , some of which will be scapegoats , a small portion will be those directly responsible , but only those who no longer have friends and are considered a contagian all on their own . No-one wants to be associated with infectious persons .
All these events will move the markets further , and that pain story will be bought out again , but who needs pain when you can find comfort .
For a minute there I thought it was the Imminent & Severe Correction thread.
An interesting thing might be unfolding for gold stocks. The XJO down the usual 80 odd points today, yet my gold portfolio up 3% so far today.
Could be the start of a reversal of trend and dislocation of 1st tier gold stocks from the rest of the market.
Well they are inextricably (cant'spell?) linked. As you know well the real key to gold will be the realisation that paper money in the coming times will not deliver value. As a currency that will fall to gold.
Newmont considers Australian mine asset sale
Jamie Freed, Sydney
February 11, 2008
US GOLDMINER Newmont Mining has flagged the possibility of selling off most of its Australian assets after it conducts a company-wide review this year.
In a presentation to US analysts on Friday, chief executive Dick O'Brien said the company had yet to decide the fate of its high-cost operations, the majority of which are in Australia.
"If we look at our high cost assets around the world … other than Phoenix (in Nevada), we're talking about Australia," he said.
Newmont produced 1.3 million ounces of gold from its Australian and New Zealand operations last year at a cost of $US496 an ounce. This year, after the sale of its Pajingo mine in Queensland, it expects to produce 1.1 million ounces at a cost of $US585 to $US625 an ounce from Australian and New Zealand operations.
"Those are the portfolio of assets we have that we could hive off pretty easily if we decided to do it," Mr O'Brien said. "I'm not sure that we will. But that's the evaluation process that we need to stand for in 2008."
POG is still hanging around not doing much.
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