Give the Prime Minister Respect

[doogie_goes_off]

Let her hang herself out with her weasel words. No tax, now tax. It's that simple, she's not in a corner, she could go to re-election, get some gumption and get on with it and let us judge the willing coalition that holds us to ransom, double dissolution threat by Bob Brown may be driving this and our pale faced liar doesn't have the decency to tell us. Don't get me wrong she has shown leadership qualities, just not real ones that would make me go back to voting for her party. Make Steve Smith labor leader and I'll think about it. Rudd unfortunately failed, but has fallen on his feet, popular - just not consultative enough. Seems to be more talent in the Libs, my favour is with Turnbull although public arrogance/affluence seems to dog the public perception of him. We are short of talent, just need someone to step up. A rudd rebirth? A Hewson return Where are the back room intellects, your Laurie Breretons, John Buttons, Nick Minchims etc - Someone has to stand up, take charge and deliver an elected reform agenda.

 

[IFocus]

IMO, Ms Gillard has asked for it to a large degree with her seeming contempt of the Australian people. Nobody likes to being lied to so arrogantly. And that's not a half truth - Ms Gillard has admitted that she lied to the people.

Carbon tax may well have a huge ripple effect, IMO. It's not a little promise she has broken, it's potentially a big one which could hurt the working people and families of Australia.

IMO, the only way she can redeem even a little credibility would be to honour Swan's promise of "not in this term" and let the people decide. Surely, that is the decent thing to do.

Again there is no reason for bad behavior from either politicians or so called media.

The continued projection of hate into the debates i.e. Tea Party rubbish is an abomination.

Again the opposition to political parties or various leaders positions is fine.

To extend the example to the extreme I would hate to think people think its OK to bash your wife because she asked for it.

Where is the line that it stops?

 

[wayneL]

Howard was never ever as I recall treated with the sheer arrogance and contempt by any sections of the media that the RW shock jocks do to Gillard.

LOL

Well of course not! With your cognitive biases (which we all have), you probably thought is was fair comment, just like many people current treatment of Gillard is fair comment.

The fact is, and I was certainly NOT a fan of the coalition at the end, Johnny Rotten copped it as good and as hard as J. Dullard is now.

 

[Calliope]

Where is the line that it stops?

Criticism of bad leaders has nothing to do with wife bashing.

You said in a previous post you said;

"Its interesting reading the bias claims, being socially left of the communist party I fail to see basis of the claims."

Under your preferred system of government criticising your leader is a much more dangerous activity than wife bashing.

 

[Spongle]

Politicians?

Foolish ppl who may have begun with noble and altruistic intentions but got corrupted along the way by the nature of thier work.

Hard working and detemined ppl with intelligence only slightly above average... i want people with execptional minds to run the country not those that won all the debate's in school.

Increase taxes for the rich... hell, increase them for everyone. Better welfare, heathcare and education please.

 

[wayneL]

Politicians?

Foolish ppl who may have begun with noble and altruistic intentions but got corrupted along the way by the nature of thier work.

Hard working and detemined ppl with intelligence only slightly above average... i want people with execptional minds to run the country not those that won all the debate's in school.

Increase taxes for the rich... hell, increase them for everyone. Better welfare, heathcare and education please.

Lets keep this on topic regarding respect for the office of PM, rather than deviating off onto politicians in general and statements of ideology.

There are plenty of other threads for that.

 

[IFocus]

LOL

Well of course not! With your cognitive biases (which we all have), you probably thought is was fair comment, just like many people current treatment of Gillard is fair comment.

The fact is, and I was certainly NOT a fan of the coalition at the end, Johnny Rotten copped it as good and as hard as J. Dullard is now.

Howard was questioned to death and harassed, as was Keating, Hawke, Fraser etc which isnt the question at less thats what I thought.

But none of them faced the hate message / arrogance from shock jocks and etc.

In parliament the gloves are always off as should be the case and both sides give as good as they get.

When did Howard's name get changed to some form of liar on air by the media while being interviewed?

There was certainly plenty of material available as there is for any prime minister.

 

[drsmith]

When did Howard's name get changed to some form of liar on air by the media while being interviewed?

I'll suggest he would have had he tried to introduce a GST after saying never ever in the leadup to the 96 election without taking it as as his platform to the 98 election.

 

[wayneL]

But none of them faced the hate message / arrogance from shock jocks and etc.

Mate I wouldn't give much credence to the "shock jocks".

They preach to the converted largely, as do the Fabian trained public broadcasters (though they are ever so slightly more subtle).

Independent thinkers will agree or disagree based on the merits of the argument; both RW shock jocks and Fabian gradualist propagandists on the ABC will bring up good points worthy of consideration by both sides.

Both sides worry that the public are merely sycophants of the opposing jock, though in my experience, although many are beholden to their BS ideology, most are capable of critical evaluation.

 

[Julia]

Both sides worry that the public are merely sycophants of the opposing jock, though in my experience, although many are beholden to their BS ideology, most are capable of critical evaluation.

I agree. It's one of the most foolish of characteristics that both the media and the politicians themselves fail to give the overall public credit for their capacity to see through them and to understand their motives for what they are.

 

[Spongle]

Lets keep this on topic regarding respect for the office of PM, rather than deviating off onto politicians in general and statements of ideology.

There are plenty of other threads for that.

ok fair enough

I'll have respect for a PM or any minister, counciller etc. that does a good job at running a country, state, bourough, city, town whatever and I'm sure it's not easy.

I won't have respect for the office of PM just because it is the office of PM and that goes for any position held by anyone anywhere for anything... unless you have your masters in aromatic chemistry or something