Freedom of speech and protest

[rederob]

Hahaha. I give you specifics and you have no reply.
You are a waste of space with empty arguments.

And you simply have no idea that there are actual protocols for raising foreign flags, and that they were followed - with an answer previously offered:

There are protocols for flying foreign flags and they were followed to the letter.

Your sole example was a demonstration of your ignorance.

 

[SirRumpole]

And you simply have no idea that there are actual protocols for raising foreign flags, and that they were followed - with an answer previously offered:

Well then, let's fly the Russian flag on Lenin's birthday.

 

[Value Collector]

I would not fly the french fren here at home, but that is up to the individual, i am opposed to flying any foreign flag on a public building except of course for a delegation visit or an 8nternational event world convention, sport etc

You can or not care about my input but after working in China for 2 years, i think in the above you are making a fundamental mistake
While Australian from Chinese background can genuinely act feel and truly believe they are Australian, this is NOT how China see it.
For China, they are overseas Chinese, and they will stay so even after generations.
Han forever.
What better example than Taiwan?
I worked with a Malaysian born but
In China, he is an oversea Chinese
This is the reason China has no issue arresting various passport holders as long as they once were Chinese or are from Chinese background.
Or ask/demand them to act as mole or spy
In Shenzhen, there is an OCT
Overseas Chinese Town with chamber of commerce, hotels, even amusement park dedicated
And it is much used by enterprises owned by Chinese ethnic foreigners from the world over
Even reading the China Daily, you will find numerous references to this term:
Oversea Chinese
But what would i know

"China" can see it how ever they want, but that each person is an individual, not some automaton controlled by the government of their former home land.

Anytime you try and make broad statements about how a individuals think because of their race or nationality you are probably making a mistake.

 

[SirRumpole]

"China" can see it how ever they want, but that each person is an individual, not some automaton controlled by the government of their former home land.

China can exercise control over their former citizens by leaning on their families still in China.

It's a bit hard to criticise the homeland if your granny get thrown in gaol if you say something wrong.

 

[basilio]

Interesting court case in the US.
After the book was released the father of one of children killed was accused of being a liar received death threats.
The guy who wrote the book is still firmly convinced no one was killed and it was all a fake event.

Sandy Hook father awarded $450,000 after suing conspiracy theorist
Father of boy killed in Newtown school shooting sued James Fetzer and Mike Palacek over their book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...warded-450000-after-suing-conspiracy-theorist

 

[Tink]

 

[SirRumpole]

Interesting court case in the US.
After the book was released the father of one of children killed was accused of being a liar received death threats.
The guy who wrote the book is still firmly convinced no one was killed and it was all a fake event.

Sandy Hook father awarded $450,000 after suing conspiracy theorist
Father of boy killed in Newtown school shooting sued James Fetzer and Mike Palacek over their book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...warded-450000-after-suing-conspiracy-theorist

Good to see some of these fake news merchants held to account.

How sick would you be to write that rubbish ?

 

[Smurf1976]

I’ll simply say that there’s a big difference between someone who in the late 1930’s had said “Hitler and thus the German government are extremely dangerous to humanity” or something of that nature versus someone saying “I hate all Germans”.

The latter is clearly racist but the former is simply an observation of the actions of someone in a position of power.

Of relevance to recent comments, making derogatory comments about all Chinese, Russian, Australian or American people would be racist but simply criticising a country’s government or its policies most certainly isn’t.

 

[wayneL]

'cept nationalities aren't necessarily racial groups. The context would have to make it clear that an ethnic/racial group is being referred to.

 

[Smurf1976]

'cept nationalities aren't necessarily racial groups. The context would have to make it clear that an ethnic/racial group is being referred to.

True but practical usage often overlooks that distinction on all sides.

Eg those who express a dislike of Americans aren’t strictly being racist but it’s a similar concept of expressing hate based on where someone was born or currently lives.

The distinction between the people and their government remains regardless of the details.

 

[wayneL]

True but practical usage often overlooks that distinction on all sides.

Eg those who express a dislike of Americans aren’t strictly being racist but it’s a similar concept of expressing hate based on where someone was born or currently lives.

The distinction between the people and their government remains regardless of the details.

I'm of the opinion which she was of racism for absolutely genuine incidences of such. Otherwise it just diminishes the meaning of the word. And to be honest that is exactly what is happening, being called a racist means absolutely nothing anymore.

It's almost to the stage where it just means you are not part of the extreme woke left.... Which is a positive.

That means we are left with nothing for the ttue racists.

 

[Smurf1976]

I'm of the opinion which she was of racism for absolutely genuine incidences of such. Otherwise it just diminishes the meaning of the word. And to be honest that is exactly what is happening, being called a racist means absolutely nothing anymore.

It's almost to the stage where it just means you are not part of the extreme woke left.... Which is a positive.

I do agree with your point there.

My point though is that regardless of the choice of words, it is not racist by any reasonable definition to disagree with the actions of a government.

If someone expresses strongly negative views of the Australian, Chinese, French, US or whatever government then that's an expression of dislike of the government and/or its policies or actions, it's not a direct expression of dislike of the people born or living in that country. Criticising the policies or action of a government is not of itself racist.

In practical use I'll suggest that most who say they don't like China or the US are referring to the government and are not not the people and as such are not being racist.

 

[SirRumpole]

In practical use I'll suggest that most who say they don't like China or the US are referring to the government and are not not the people and as such are not being racist.

Indeed so. A democratic non military mainland China would be a great thing for the world considering the resources they could offer to the solving of common problems, however there is no onus on us to support their military advances or their cyber attacks or interfering in our society and our institutions.

The same logical fallacy is exhibited towards the discussion on religion which I won't go into here except to say that if you criticise some aspect of a religion's teaching then you are a racist or a bigot. It's an easy diversion to throw out in order to avoid an intellectual discussion of their theology which they can't support with evidence.

 

[rederob]

The same logical fallacy is exhibited towards the discussion on religion which I won't go into here....

Where was the logical fallacy?

... if you criticise some aspect of a religion's teaching then you are a racist or a bigot.

You may well be a bigot, but could not be a racist.

It's an easy diversion to throw out in order to avoid an intellectual discussion....

Bigotry is not a diversion!

... an intellectual discussion of their theology which they can't support with evidence.

Given that the only evidence of religions is that there are religions, because there is a palpable shortage of the many gods being invoked.

 

[SirRumpole]

You may well be a bigot, but could not be a racist.

Ah ok, if I question the pretext that God created the Universe in 7 days, I would be a bigot would I ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Where was the logical fallacy?

The logical fallacy was that if you question the policy of a government you automatically hate all the people in that country.

 

[rederob]

Ah ok, if I question the pretext that God created the Universe in 7 days, I would be a bigot would I ?

It seems a good question so how could it be intolerant?

 

[rederob]

The logical fallacy was that if you question the policy of a government you automatically hate all the people in that country.

That's an assumption as distinct from a fallacy.

 

[SirRumpole]

It seems a good question so how could it be intolerant?

Some might argue that disbelief of anything in the Bible is intolerant.

 

[SirRumpole]

That's an assumption as distinct from a fallacy.

It's a fallacious assumption.