Freedom of speech and protest

[SirRumpole]

No flag of another country should be flown from any building in Australia, unless there is an official visit of some sort.

 

[Knobby22]

How can you tell if some one is Chinese or Australian just by walking past them in the street???

You are right, I am close friends with a third generation guy with Cantonese heritage and he is as Aussie as you can get and I work with a Chinese born engineer who came here when he was 16 when his family escaped and he is Australian through and through.

I should have worded this better and I apologise.

But you know what I mean. A strong Chinese heritage area.

The local member is the only Chinese heritage person in Parliament I believe, which will change over time.

 

[Value Collector]

No flag of another country should be flown from any building in Australia, unless there is an official visit of some sort.

I would agree with you if you said “government building”.

But when it comes to private buildings, people can fly what ever flag they like.

 

[Value Collector]

The local member is the only Chinese heritage person in Parliament I believe, which will change over time.

Sounds like a non issue then.

To be honest, I don’t care what heritage our citizens have.

An Australian citizen who happens to have Chinese heritage is no less of a citizen than a bloke whose grandad was Irish.

If you called me an Irishman, I would think you were nuts, I think you are just as nuts if you called your mate Chinese.

 

[SirRumpole]

I would agree with you if you said “government building”.

But when it comes to private buildings, people can fly what ever flag they like.

Yes I meant to say government building.

However anyone flying the flag of another country on their proerty has to raise questions of "whose side are they on ?".

 

[Knobby22]

Yes I meant to say government building.

However anyone flying the flag of another country on their proerty has to raise questions of "whose side are they on ?".

It could be an Irish flag to celebrate their independence from Britain.
It doesn't mean that they are disloyal orloyal to the Irish, it just means they are sucking up to the locals with Irish background.

We as a nation are so fragile at the moment. I just came back from New Zealand and they are so confident and proud. It really brought it home to me.

 

[SirRumpole]

We as a nation are so fragile at the moment.

Absolutely. There are people trying to slice the country into little pieces and make us all fight each other.

We keep hearing about "the Muslim community" or the "Chinese community" or the "gay and lesbian community" etc as if each group have their own special needs that governments and the rest of society should pander to.

That's identity politics and it's rubbish. Governments should be looking after common interests and if people want to belong to a particular group, that's their problem that they have to look after themselves.

 

[qldfrog]

You can or not care about my input but after working in China for 2 years, i think in the above you are making a fundamental mistake
While Australian from Chinese background can genuinely act feel and truly believe they are Australian, this is NOT how China see it.
For China, they are overseas Chinese, and they will stay so even after generations.
Han forever.
What better example than Taiwan?
I worked with a Malaysian born but
In China, he is an oversea Chinese
This is the reason China has no issue arresting various passport holders as long as they once were Chinese or are from Chinese background.
Or ask/demand them to act as mole or spy
In Shenzhen, there is an OCT
Overseas Chinese Town with chamber of commerce, hotels, even amusement park dedicated
And it is much used by enterprises owned by Chinese ethnic foreigners from the world over
Even reading the China Daily, you will find numerous references to this term:
Oversea Chinese
But what would i know

 

[Knobby22]

Fascinating.

 

[rederob]

We keep hearing about "the Muslim community" or the "Chinese community" or the "gay and lesbian community" etc as if each group have their own special needs that governments and the rest of society should pander to.

These may well be legitimate communities, and the real issue is if their needs or concerns are being addressed or not by one-size-fits-all policies. What is certain is that each one you named has faced ongoing discrimination for any number of reasons.

That's identity politics and it's rubbish. Governments should be looking after common interests and if people want to belong to a particular group, that's their problem that they have to look after themselves.

You have that arse about.
And the issue of "belonging" to a particular group is not about "wanting to" but, instead because it's obvious that they naturally fall into it.
Your idea that "that's their problem that they have to look after themselves" is nonsense unless you think we have anarchy instead of government.

 

[SirRumpole]

And the issue of "belonging" to a particular group is not about "wanting to" but, instead because it's obvious that they naturally fall into it.

Religion is a choice robbie.

Your idea that "that's their problem that they have to look after themselves" is nonsense unless you think we have anarchy instead of government.

It's not up to governments to favour particular groups, they have to provide standards of service that are equal for all.

 

[rederob]

Religion is a choice robbie.

So what?
The feds are looking at legislation protecting religious freedoms!

It's not up to governments to favour particular groups, they have to provide standards of service that are equal for all.

Absolute nonsense - we are not all equal in society and that's exactly why governments have policies which address such iniquities.

 

[SirRumpole]

The feds are looking at legislation protecting religious freedoms!

Yes, I don't agree with it.

Absolute nonsense - we are not all equal in society and that's exactly why governments have policies which address such iniquities.

Such as ?

 

[rederob]

Yes, I don't agree with it.

Hardly the point, as it discredits your earlier remarks.

Such as ?

I hope that's not a serious question, as if it is, you should stop posting here,

 

[Value Collector]

Yes I meant to say government building.

However anyone flying the flag of another country on their proerty has to raise questions of "whose side are they on ?".

One of my neighbours flys the USA flag on the 4th of July, he is a top bloke.

 

[SirRumpole]

Hardly the point, as it discredits your earlier remarks.I hope that's not a serious question, as if it is, you should stop posting here,

Good old rob, ask a question, get an insult.

Well, pi$$ off then.

 

[SirRumpole]

One of my neighbours flys the USA flag on the 4th of July, he is a top bloke.

Does he ever fly the Australian flag, as he happens to live here ?

 

[rederob]

Good old rob, ask a question, get an insult.

Like I said, if you think that was a serious question then you are exceptionally ignorant of what the government has in place to address iniquities.
How about making informed comments and quit with your discriminatory and racist slants.

 

[SirRumpole]

Like I said, if you think that was a serious question then you are exceptionally ignorant of what the government has in place to address iniquities.
How about making informed comments and quit with your discriminatory and racist slants.

What racist slants are you talking about ?

Try and be specific instead of in vague asides.

All I'm saying is people should be treated equally regardless of what group they choose to place themselves in.

You have a problem with that ?

 

[moXJO]

I think they amount of politicians currently taking money from China indicates a larger problem.
I think the amount of Chinese money, pro communist activists that mobilize quickly and chinese business influence is a huge indicator that Aus has already sold out.