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An interesting issue and one that puzzles me deeply, one I find hard to resolve as the question will always remain.

How can an operation, or series thereof, erase all the associated social conditioning and biases embedded within an individual?

At the risk of being flamed, I can accept that the change will improve the quality of life and certainly the mental state of a transgender person but there is no amount of debate will convince me that a man can fully "become" a woman or vice versa.

A more suitable appoach would be to add a "GLBTG of the Year" award to acknowledge this group.
 


What an insult to the great Germs. She has not been silenced on this or any other issue.
 
SirRumpole said:
This award is probably just another PC nod to a minority group.

The whole question of "Person whatever" awards is a matter of opinion anyway.

Barrack Obama got a peace price for what ?

Means nothing.
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Yes facebook is full of "best of" tommyrot too.

It's like these business councils that spring up proclaim they are the voice for a bunch of pty ltds who probably have no idea who the organisation is (usually a sham Liberal Party organ to funnel ill gotten gains as it turns out).
 
"The squeakiest wheel gets the oil."
All it takes is a bunch of nincompoops to set up a presence on Social Media, claiming to defend the rights and interests of a minority group, and there will be some media coverage giving them Five Minutes in the Sun. Spin and perception replace reason and become reality.

Sometimes, such kind of "news" feeds on itself and attracts an ever-growing mob of idealists, weirdos, and credulous acolytes who perpetuate the squeaking. Sometimes, a group of business people see a Buck in it. It could be manufacturers of bike helmets or pool fencers. In Jenner's case it was probably cosmetic surgeons. Then it's just a matter of time until some politician sees votes in it - and you have a new Political Correctness protecting the Rights of yet another Downtrodden Minority.
 
When a man in a frock is considered as “Woman of the Year”, just wrong in my view, and Germaine Greer is considered as conservative, because she is saying BIOLOGY is important -- then you have to wonder where these universities are heading.

Agree with your post, Craton.
 

You think it lampoons women?

 
Why do bystanders struggle to do the right thing when they see violence against women?
December 29, 2015 - Catharine Lumby
SMH: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-d...inst-women-20151229-glw9ei.html#ixzz3vk6t41HB
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The moral of the story being, Air France, don't seat Catharine Lumby next to a 'large gentleman'. "..he was angry to be seated next to a woman.." says Lumby. I think we know who was angry Catharine.

Lumby, an academic, gets paid to teach this stuff to corporate groups (or used to). But apparently it was too much trouble for her to just move to one of the vacant seats, daring the Air France cabin staff to remove her.

Playing the victim, it's always somebody else's fault.
 

She does segue quickly into a man yelling abuse equating to physical abuse. Then advocates other passengers do something, presumably physical, to teach him a lesson. I'd like to know why someone would yell out in the first place and why she didn't demand the federal police do something the other end?
 
Tink said:
Agree with your post, Craton.
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Ow, I missed this so late reply, thank you Tink.


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Why do bystanders struggle to do the right thing when they see violence against women?
December 29, 2015 - Catharine Lumby
SMH: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-do...#ixzz3vk6t41HB
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Not enough info to comment on that specific incident however it's violence in general me thinks. Being born and raised in the bush then spending a decade in the big smoke one thing was blatantly apparent and that is, how we interact with one another.

The city seems to breed a culture where eye contact is a no-no, a g'day is hardly acknowledged and forget about lending assistance even when it is asked for. Having said that, it is also apparent that there is a fair majority of us that practice the fine art of "...it's not my problem." and "...don't want to get involved." but geez we're quick to get the phone camera out though eh!

Sad really....
 
No, I don't consider him a woman.
He is a man.

Just as this is a man -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tart-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html

Just as this is a man -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...mat-Medusa-ears-nose-removed-dragon-lady.html

You have the right to mutilate your body all you like, you do not have the right to demand that I go along with it.

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Germaine Greer comes under fire for controversial transgender comments

"If you're a 50-year-old truck driver who's had four children with a wife and you've decided that the whole time you've been a woman, I think you're probably wrong."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-controversial-transgender-comments-Q-A.html

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Chaos in Australian Education

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25851&page=6
 
Tink, you are allowing common sense get in the way of progress. Your views are sooo 20th century !
 
I'll agree with Germaine.

How many men would want to have an affair/marriage with a transgender ? They are not the same as naturally born women. But, if they want to identify as women that's ok by me, just don't expect me to think of them as one.
 
SirRumpole said:
I'll agree with Germaine.

How many men would want to have an affair/marriage with a transgender ? They are not the same as naturally born women. But, if they want to identify as women that's ok by me, just don't expect me to think of them as one.
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Rumpy: That, too, is 20th century thinking.
The Political Correctness of the 21st Century demands that you submit to the Thought Control and adapt every "New Idea" pushed by a vocal minority through Social Media and spread by complicit Media. Never mind that the speed with which new fads come could nauseate you: If you want to stay "in", buy all the opinion-making magazines and keep informed about the Kardashians, Jenners, Greens.

It's too late for us old fuddy-duddies to be adjusted. But the New Gospel can be trotted out into Pre- and Primary Schools to bring the kids into line, keep their minds flexible enough to "beliebe" and consume.
 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-12/gayby-baby-makers-launch-education-school-toolkit/7406772
 
SirRumpole said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-12/gayby-baby-makers-launch-education-school-toolkit/7406772
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that's precisely my point.
... and my biggest bug bear.

If being gay or hetero suits you, I don't hold it against you. We can find enough topics to have meaningful and friendly conversations. But I object to constantly having your sexual otherness shoved down my throat as if it were now compulsory. You still belong to a minority, so don't try and claim otherwise.

If you're a tranny and only want to talk about your feelings, I'm sorry, but we don't have much in common. So I'm not interested. Get over it and look for someone else to socialise.

If ever we meet at a concert, political rally, or friends' BBQ, I'll accept you as a human being and treat you with the respect you afford me and any others. Unless I want to get laid - and rest assured, I'm so over it! - your sexual orientation is totally irrelevant.
 
pixel said:
If you're a tranny and only want to talk about your feelings, I'm sorry, but we don't have much in common. So I'm not interested. Get over it and look for someone else to socialise.

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lol, I think they just want to be treated as you would treat any one else, They aren't generally asking for special consideration, just the right to live as any other person of their gender lives.

 
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