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Value Collector said:
lol, I think they just want to be treated as you would treat any one else, They aren't generally asking for special consideration, just the right to live as any other person of their gender lives.
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Not wanting to go too far off topic but this is something I read in Scientific American today that is relevant to transgender issues.

The Spectrum of Sex Development: Eric Vilain and the Intersex Controversy

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ent-eric-vilain-and-the-intersex-controversy/
 
bellenuit said:
Not wanting to go too far off topic but this is something I read in Scientific American today that is relevant to transgender issues.

The Spectrum of Sex Development: Eric Vilain and the Intersex Controversy

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ent-eric-vilain-and-the-intersex-controversy/
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Belle and VC;
We're getting way off-track when we drag medical and psychological issues into the debate. It may be - loosely - related to feminism, but that was not at all part of my previous post.

The key word in the sentence you pulled out of my reply is "only". Maybe I should've bolded it.
I made it quite clear, and repeat: When there is common ground for social contact and mutual interests, I certainly treat everybody the same: friendly and with respect. Whether someone is convex or concave matters only on those rare occasions when two (or more) like-minded people "need a room".
 
SirRumpole said:
Kids shouldn't be operated on for gender issues , they can make up their own minds later.
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They aren't operating, they are just giving her a drug that will delay male puberty Which would be devastating for a young girl, later than can give her the female hormones, which will make her develop as a woman would.
 
....they are just giving her a drug....

Yes, using children as guinea pigs.

Let children enjoy their childhood rather than all this gender talk of who they would like to be.

I also have to question, who in their right mind would disfigure another human being as I posted above.
 
bellenuit said:
Not wanting to go too far off topic but this is something I read in Scientific American today that is relevant to transgender issues.

The Spectrum of Sex Development: Eric Vilain and the Intersex Controversy

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ent-eric-vilain-and-the-intersex-controversy/
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The usual unscientific article associated with social engineering relying on verbs like helped, made up often frequency of supposedly insensitive cliches few have ever heard of, pooh poohing the idea that there are only two sexes (which I thought was the natural basis for reproduction), etc.

It's just a piece that rails against the presupposed ignorance of those that know better.
 
60-70 years ago, if a student tried to write with their left hand, teacher would smack the "bad hand" with the cane or ruler and force the "southpaw" to "do it right".
We've come a long way since then.

If parents and teachers stopped making a fuss about childish issues, taught and treated every child as a child, there won't be any need to drug so many youngsters, operate on them, or have a Shrink mess with their "gender identification". In many non-English languages, a child is an "it". No need to expose every child to the possibility that some of their class mates may be uncertain - as yet - about their gender.

But I guess it's keeping a whole bunch of shrinks and pharmacists employed.
 
pixel said:
60-70 years ago, if a student tried to write with their left hand, teacher would smack the "bad hand" with the cane or ruler and force the "southpaw" to "do it right".
We've come a long way since then.

If parents and teachers stopped making a fuss about childish issues, taught and treated every child as a child, there won't be any need to drug so many youngsters, operate on them, or have a Shrink mess with their "gender identification". In many non-English languages, a child is an "it". No need to expose every child to the possibility that some of their class mates may be uncertain - as yet - about their gender.

But I guess it's keeping a whole bunch of shrinks and pharmacists employed.
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The thing that I loath is that children are being used as foot soldiers to push minority agendas, by the gay lobby in particular in respect to gay parenting, using bullying as a cover.

Sure bullying must be eliminated but it's not just gays that get bullied, in my day it was kids with glasses or those not good at sport, but I didn't see the shortsighted police at my school. :)
 
SirRumpole said:
The thing that I loath is that children are being used as foot soldiers to push minority agendas, by the gay lobby in particular in respect to gay parenting, using bullying as a cover.

Sure bullying must be eliminated but it's not just gays that get bullied, in my day it was kids with glasses or those not good at sport, but I didn't see the shortsighted police at my school. :)
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the fat kid, who would be thin by today's obese standards
 
Tink said:
....they are just giving her a drug....

Yes, using children as guinea pigs.

Let children enjoy their childhood rather than all this gender talk of who they would like to be.

I also have to question, who in their right mind would disfigure another human being as I posted above.
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off topic so I won't draw this out.

But do understand how devastating it would be for a little girl to start growing a beard and turning into a man?

I can't see a problem with delaying puberty with a drug, its completely reversible, puberty is not.
 
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As was mentioned in the multicultural thread -

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=20836&page=14&p=903978&viewfull=1#post903978
 
"..she immediately knew it was wrong it was a completely repulsive act". Oh that makes it alright then. And a bloke would have got off on the same defence.

Spit away girls. Be as "completely repulsive" as you like. Just be "instantaneously remorseful".

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http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...ilytelegraph/comments/nick_off1/#commentsmore

No conviction for little Miss Minus:

A cartoonist who was caught on camera spitting at the administrator of the Inner West Council during a volatile meeting has been sentenced to an 18-month good behaviour bond for offensive behaviour.

Nicky Minus escaped a conviction, with Magistrate Clare Farnan saying she accepted the 26-year-old was immediately remorseful and a criminal conviction would affect her future post graduate studies.

Her lawyer Miranda Moody entered her guilty plea in Newtown Local Court this morning, describing her act as “disgraceful”, claiming she was “carried away” in the moment.

“She spat once and she immediately knew it was wrong it was a completely repulsive act,” Ms Moody said.

“The moment that she did it she was instantaneously remorseful …”

The agreed facts tendered to the court reveal that following the incident, Minus told police, “I did not know spitting was an offence”.

To be fair, the things Nicky doesn’t know could fill a library.
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With the ALP pretty much a shoe in at the next election and the unsavoury aspect of having the man hating Wong and Plebersik tag team in control of the agenda I was rather intrigued by a random article by some woman who's probably made her mark by crawling over the backs of male ingenuity and industry.

In this article Georgina Dent pats herself endlessly on her own back for being able to not play the man, literally the man. Now I don't know if this is a triumph for equal rights, but it seems to me that men have by and large rarely played the insult game with woman and don't tend to parade themselves as special in news columns for being polite.

The article is really a self congratulatory biased piece, ageist overtones and dismissive of men having any redeeming features in general = Tanya and Penny personify this attitude.


It is something I think about often but particularly when a comment, that I wholeheartedly oppose, is made in a public forum. In that instance I try to play the point not the person. Of course I’m sure some people will disagree but I did the same when Tony Abbott referred to a candidate’s sex appeal. Instead of just throwing insults at him I tried to explain why his comments were inappropriate and damaging.

I don’t tread carefully to placate anyone but because I want to make it as difficult as possible for anyone to dismiss my perspective as the rantings of another angry man hating feminist. I realise I won’t always succeed but also I’m not sure whether just getting angry at the person would always succeed either.
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https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/...bersek-s-leadership-potential-is-not-excused/
 
Tisme said:
The article is really a self congratulatory biased piece, ageist overtones and dismissive of men having any redeeming features in general = Tanya and Penny personify this attitude.
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Nothing seems to be said about Jacquie Lambie and her nymphomaniac desires for "a man with a packet".
 
SirRumpole said:
Nothing seems to be said about Jacquie Lambie and her nymphomaniac desires for "a man with a packet".
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That's because real men, who don't involve themselves in or defend counter culture movements, aren't easily indoctrinated into believing they have special insult sensors.

Sure there are the few males bleeding out into the whimpy boys classroom, but do we care.....nup.
 
This was (Dr.) Jordon Peterson at his best. He was totally brilliant in this interview. Cathy Newman put so many of her words in Jordan's mouth, he corrected her with calm reason, intelligence and self-discipline that actually enabled him to present his case clearly, confidently, and concisely.

Watch the original here. Well worth watching and a lesson on how to handle a provocative/aggressive feminist.

3,666,871 views

Well worth watching videos by Jordon Peterson.
 
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