End of the China bull?

[rederob]

No freedom of speech is the most valuable thing a country can have.
It is the foundation of democracy, freedom and free determination.
It seems you can't tell the difference between truth that is as plane as day and CCP Lies.
Here is how the Chinese Communist Party silences and cleanses the the few good Chinese left ~

Personal liberty is the foundation of all good societies.
Freedom of speech allows stupid people to say stupid things, and equally stupid people will believe them. That was evidenced in media reporting throughout the recent election campaign. It was also evidenced at this site.
Is there a reason you cannot post on topic? Or do you prefer to demonstrate by example what I suggest is problematic with free speech?

 

[notting]

In Steps the Chinese Communist Party.



It takes only three generations to domesticate wild animals.
It takes only three generations to make wild animals from domesticated animals
It takes only three generations to make a nation of psychopaths by cleansing the good ones if you have enough power over the people.
China has been doing it for about 5000 years.
Hence the purest possible Han Psychopathic State evolved.
Note how the cops have no hesitation to brutalize the clearly innocent and peaceful.
Psychopaths enjoy it regardless of whether it is right or wrong, the Chinese enjoy it.

 

[rederob]

It takes only three generations to domesticate wild animals.

Again, nothing on topic.
I think you need to take your ideas elsewhere.

 

[notting]

Hence Trump finally standing up to China is utterly justified.
It will have huge consequences for China's economy and Australia
It's the most relevant topic for all of us
Clive Palmer may look like an idiot but he has done a lot of business with China.
Idiots when entering business tend not to make a lot of money
Clive Palmer couldn't give a rats toss about winning the election. He used it as a platform to warn us, because the major parties could not, given our dependence on Chinese trade.
In his own words "I am a national treasure!" When you understand what he did you understand that too.
HE KNOWS ~

 

[rederob]

Hence Trump finally standing up to China is utterly justified.
It will have huge consequences for China's economy and Australia
It's the most relevant topic for all of us
Clive Palmer may look like an idiot but he has done a lot of business with China.
Idiots when entering business tend not to make a lot of money
Clive Palmer couldn't give a rats toss about winning the election. He used it as a platform to warn us, because the major parties could not, given our dependence on Chinese trade.
In his own words "I am a national treasure!" When you understand what he did you understand that too.

Trump is a buffoon.
US industry is paying the tariffs, not China. US consumers are the ultimate losers.
Trump fails to understand that the USA can't compete on cost of labour or materials with China, so if they try to produce what China presently supplies, then US consumers will be even harder hit.
China's Belt & Road strategy is providing it with massive new markets, so any losses from the US imbroglio are going to be absorbed elsewhere.
If Australia wants to compete for business in future it should now be developing renewable energy resources and creating a hydrogen export economy with the rest of the world. No other country has our capacity for using land areas for renewable energy generation.

 

[notting]

Trumps standing up to China's economic warfare on the rest of the world is bipartisan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is also going to garner support internationally.



You don't have to compete. You take away the inhumane slave edge that the Chinese dictators have exploited for decades with tariffs to start with - encouraging manufacturing out of there.
China has been exporting deflation for decades along with it and currency manipulation. It's more of a risk to the the global economy than inflation which isn't a risk in the current climate.
There is no doubt the fall of China's economy will cause a lot of harm and irruptions globally but that's life we will get through it.

Other places will take up the slack and destroy China's slave labour impoverishment and exportation of poverty to the rest of the world, as will Robots!!
China's model is starting to fail. They are desperate to win the Tech race.
You can't lead the way in tech and innovation when your entire culture is based on theft and stealing it from the leaders and true innovators in the other countries.

China can't win HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

 

[rederob]

Trumps standing up to China's economic warfare on the rest of the world is bipartisan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is also going to garner support internationally.

I think you need to get out more.
Maybe you don't read what happens in the news, but Trump's actions are not supported by the rest of the world which prefers to abide by the WTO's principles.

 

[HelloU]

Personal liberty is the foundation of all good societies.
Freedom of speech allows stupid people to say stupid things, and equally stupid people will believe them. That was evidenced in media reporting throughout the recent election campaign. It was also evidenced at this site.
Is there a reason you cannot post on topic? Or do you prefer to demonstrate by example what I suggest is problematic with free speech?

it may have been widely reported that Shorten would win but that does not make people stupid who believed it ........ just turns out the earlier polls did not have a large enough sample size.

when peeps say china ..... i think spratleys, and ask what they would do about it.

 

[notting]

I think you need to get out more.
Maybe you don't read what happens in the news, but Trump's actions are not supported by the rest of the world which prefers to abide by the WTO's principles.

You need to learn to think for yourself.
The big players are FINALLY literally doing what I have been saying needs to be done to China for about 15 years.
It's awesome and well overdue. This thread is a testimony to it
WATCH..............................................

 

[rederob]

it may have been widely reported that Shorten would win but that does not make people stupid who believed it ........ just turns out the earlier polls did not have a large enough sample size.

I never suggested anything like that and I reported the betting odds that were being published. I differentiate the presentation of actual information from media which creates their preferred version of events. Check my posts - they confirm how I use information and regularly provide links to sources.
As to your idea about sample size, I regret that you are wrong. Sample sizes are relevant to the extent they are representative. However, they then need to ask they ask the right questions of the right cohort, and the recent polls did not. I was polled 3 times, so I have a pretty good idea of what happened.

when peeps say china ..... i think spratleys, and ask what they would do about it.

You mean, like Cyprus or las Malvinas, and literally dozens more examples I could cite.

 

[rederob]

You need to learn to think for yourself.

You should make informed comments and not baseless assumptions.

The big players are FINALLY literally doing what I have been saying needs to be done to China for about 15 years.
It's awesome and well overdue. This thread is a testimony to it

This thread is testament to you not appreciating the China bull is still running.
I give you credit for holding a line for 15 years and never catching a fish.

 

[HelloU]

when i say spratleys i mean the spratleys. what would peeps do about them? (right now as it is happening i mean - not some inquiry in 20 years time investigating what happened in 2019)

....to talk about all those other places would be off topic for the thread and just invite nasty personal comments from posters, but agree that labor voters are not stupid.

 

[satanoperca]

Notting, as just an observer, if you have been at this thread for so long, can you provide me with some guidance as to your resolve with this threads subject line :

Under what parameters do you define the end of the China bull run? How will you define that it has ended, things that can be universally measured.

 

[notting]

End of the China Bull?
It's a question.
Is that enough or do I need to explain more?

I thought so.

It means - Is it the end? It's not saying, it is the end.
Hence participating in such a thread suggests analysis not a fait accompli.



When I first started talking about what China is really about and what they were up to, no one in this country was talking about it. No one even in the US, apart from Peter Navarro, who I had not heard of and was just a uni lecturer back then.

Now people are getting it and if Trump holds the line it will awesome.
You can't make a deal because a reasonable deal for all would be the end of the China bull. So these are interesting times indeed!!

 

[rederob]

when i say spratleys i mean the spratleys. what would peeps do about them? (right now as it is happening i mean - not some inquiry in 20 years time investigating what happened in 2019)

Except it's not just China disputing the Spratley Islands is it? You forgot about Vietnam and Taiwan.
You seem also to forget ongoing territorial disputes in the South China Sea region involving both island and maritime claims among Brunei, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Vietnam.

 

[rederob]

When I first started talking about what China is really about and what they were up to, no one in this country was talking about it. No one even in the US, apart from Peter Navarro, who I had not heard of and was just a uni lecturer back then.

Now people are getting it and if Trump holds the line it will awesome.
You can't make a deal because a reasonable deal for all would be the end of the China bull. So these are interesting times indeed!!

I started talking online about China at Commsec's trading forums 20 years ago, and then at Incredible Charts over 15 years ago. Way back then I was calling the China bull naysayers ill informed, and I say that still.
You are nothing more than a propagandist who seems incapable of distilling an argument and relies on disaffected populists for your material.
China might not have a good human rights record, but Australia is no Robinson Crusoe.
China does have a strong economy, and the question remains, when is it likely to end?
Remember too that China withstood the GFC, unlike the bastion of the free world. So it seems to be a lot smarter than people like you suggest.

 

[HelloU]

Except it's not just China disputing the Spratley Islands is it? You forgot about Vietnam and Taiwan.
You seem also to forget ongoing territorial disputes in the South China Sea region involving both island and maritime claims among Brunei, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Vietnam.

lol. china are building brand new islands so they can claim territory in the sth china sea using international law - they are doing this right now. china is building islands on top of coral reefs. They are then putting people on those islands with guns telling others to keep away as this is now chinese land.

onlookers can either do nothing, or they can do something.

 

[rederob]

lol. china are building brand new islands so they can claim territory in the sth china sea using international law - they are doing this right now. china is building islands on top of coral reefs. They are then putting people on those islands with guns telling others to keep away as this is now chinese land.

onlookers can either do nothing, or they can do something.

They have been doing this for about 10 years that I recall.
These are "disputed" claims amongst many nations, so what is your point?
The islands and reefs that have undergone recent construction are shown with a white ring.
Coloured rings show occupation by China,the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam or Taiwan.

Maybe the Chinese got the idea from the USA?

It's what the USA did to have a strategic position in the Indian Ocean (through Diego Garcia pictured above) so they could bomb the Middle East whenever they felt the need.

 

[HelloU]

when i come across things that i do not like i sometimes just turn away ............

 

[rederob]

when i come across things that i do not like i sometimes just turn away ............

Perhaps do not start what you are not prepared to finish.