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What 6 year crashing are you talking about?
The original point being that people who have been betting against the Chinese market for the last 6 years have got it totally right whilst the rest of the worlds markets had stunning rallies.
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I've showed it till June because at that point I felt and was saying in this forum it was no longer worth shorting as continuing to bet with a 6 year downtrend is pushing your luck. About 2 months ago I called it a buy as it broke through 2500. All I did was trash it till then.
The recent drop in fuel prices is also very helpful for this basket case.
The fuel usage is indicating they are not growing.
Those comments I made were not in this thread. I can't be bothered going through it all. It's exactly as stated.Thanks.
Those comments I made were not in this thread. I can't be bothered going through it all. It's exactly as stated.
It's lucky for you I have so much more time and could be bothered doing a forum wide search then, as outlined. Took about 3 minutes because I don't do it much. The outcome was exactly as stated. If you are disputing the truth of what I am saying, I will yield immediately to tangible and coherent data. In this context, that would be a clear statement saying Buy Chinese equities (against anything else) around about two months ago.
I predict a boom of unbalanced argument and historical revision relative to something else I have yet to idenfity at this time but can nominate upon request. I can also predict a total collapse of it. If you need confirmation of the success of that call, it can also be provided upon request.
Thanks. Consistency is important and, FWIW, your views save me searching out a bear case. You are nothing if not motivated for a negative view of a situation and a positive view of the accuracy of prognostications. Pretty balanced on the whole.
Believe me I don't feel lucky about you not finding those comments or chart posts.
I'm not hanging out here like some dim witted day trader looking to be validated about being right. Which when you understand trading is basically a death wish.
The motivation for being so negative on China for these past 6 years was to counter the absolute drivel in the media pretty much all over the world about the miracle of China.
When US 60 minutes finally did a story on the ghost towns about 18 months ago and then when Goldman Sachs basically started saying exactly what I had beens saying about China around 10 months ago, finally! I didn't feel the need to be so vocal about it.
The world was wising up!
I also said in this forum that when Xi got in it was the best thing that had happened for China for about 60 years.
So my views are softening but there is so much damage and back log of the greatest scam overbuild the world will ever see.
They have just been playing a game of how long can we keep this up for, for over a decade.
The thing finally started halting when babies where being taken into hospital last winter with respiratory problems due to the pollution.
The reason they signed the carbon reduction thing with the US wasn't because they suddenly feel responsible, it's simply because they will suffocate themselves if they don't and that they probably aren't going to be growing anyway so the pollution will naturally slow down.
Believe me I don't feel lucky about you not finding those comments or chart posts.
I'm not hanging out here like some dim witted day trader looking to be validated about being right. Which when you understand trading is basically a death wish.
The motivation for being so negative on China for these past 6 years was to counter the absolute drivel in the media pretty much all over the world about the miracle of China.
When US 60 minutes finally did a story on the ghost towns about 18 months ago and then when Goldman Sachs basically started saying exactly what I had beens saying about China around 10 months ago, finally! I didn't feel the need to be so vocal about it.
The world was wising up!
I also said in this forum that when Xi got in it was the best thing that had happened for China for about 60 years.
So my views are softening but there is so much damage and back log of the greatest scam overbuild the world will ever see.
They have just been playing a game of how long can we keep this up for, for over a decade.
The thing finally started halting when babies where being taken into hospital last winter with respiratory problems due to the pollution.
The reason they signed the carbon reduction thing with the US wasn't because they suddenly feel responsible, it's simply because they will suffocate themselves if they don't and that they probably aren't going to be growing anyway so the pollution will naturally slow down.
FXI is having a much tamer go trying to follow the Shanghai market....suspect its mostly H-Shares. You think there would be some good pairs trading between the mainland and the HK markets right now...
Shanghai has ditched its official economic growth target for 2015, becoming the first major city or province in China to abandon such metrics as government policy shifts towards a focus on growth quality over quantity.
The move signifies both a nationwide move to switch focus from hitting annual targets with some of the fastest growth rates in the world — now that those rates are waning — as well as an effort to de-link growth from promotions at the local level.
Growth in gross domestic product has long been a key metric to evaluate the performance of local officials, helping to determine whether they were promoted. But President Xi Jinping last year said that “we can no longer simply use GDP growth rates to decide who the [party] heroes are”.
At least 70 smaller cities and counties abandoned GDP targets last year, mostly in areas with high poverty rates and those with special agricultural or ecological value. - First ghost cities abandoned, basically
But the move by Shanghai — one of four Chinese megacities with province-level administrative status — marks the first such move by a highly developed urban area. At least two municipal districts in Shanghai had previously cancelled gross domestic product targets for 2015, the official Xinhua news agency reported.
Analysts say excessive focus on gross domestic product has contributed to environmental degradation and urban sprawl as officials encouraged heavy industry and bulldozed agricultural land to build housing developments.
(Bloomberg) -- China’s government has a creative solution to address repayment concerns hanging over more than $3 trillion in regional debt. It will deal with it later.
The Finance Ministry issued a 1 trillion yuan ($160 billion) quota for local governments to convert maturing high-cost debt into lower-yielding municipal notes to be repaid at a future date, according to a March 8 statement. Questions left unanswered include whether investors will be forced into the swap, how much transparency there will be over assets involved and whether the liabilities will strain the nation’s finances.
China’s bond risk rose the most in a month on March 9 even as debt-rating companies welcomed the government’s plan to address regional debt, which Mizuho Securities Asia Ltd. estimates may have reached 25 trillion yuan, bigger than German’s economy. The ministry’s 500 billion yuan municipal bond trial and the auction of 100 billion yuan of special bonds is insufficient to meet local-government financing vehicle debt due this year while funding budgets, Moody’s Investors Service said.
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