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End of the China bull?

China lies again.

Whilst Xi was making speeches to the world saying China was not expansionist -

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2014/07/16/Chinese-Troops-Make-Two-Incursion-Attempts-in-Ladakh/article2333610.ece

Don't forget whilst China was calling for an end to the world hacking the very next day the Chinese were caught red handed hacking into Austalia's Reserve bank.
 

More cracks
 
New home prices down in 55/70 cities last month.
Just like the 2008 Down turn pattern evolving but with a lower high to 2010 similar down turn.

Yikes!


 
Why the "Yikes!"?

Why can they just stimulate again like they did on the past 2 occasions?

The Chinese dictators have been stimulating for the last 6 months, by stealth. Trying not to be seen doing it. Not working so well, but today's results are better on factory output.
The point is there is no transformation going on it's the same old tiger.
 
More cracks

I think this is really important. So, a challenge for you (and anyone else with an interest)...to take the opposite perspective. Please tell me why it might be possible for the Chinese Government to hold this together as the banking system is slowly transformed into something less cosseted and more reflective of a real mechanism for transferring assets around in service of a more market-driven economy. I have already been bathed in the disaster scenarios, so there's no need to go there.
 

OK here is a brighter look on the situation than what I normally give -

 
China could be the next Japan: Merrill Lynch analysts



http://www.smh.com.au/business/china/china-could-be-the-next-japan-merrill-lynch-analysts-20140912-10fiqm.html#ixzz3DBtgQnOk
 
New home prices down in 55/70 cities last month.
Just like the 2008 Down turn pattern evolving but with a lower high to 2010 similar down turn.
There's a noticeable difference in the pattern this time compared to the previous two downturns.

Looking at that chart, last time it was an abrupt collapse. Plane just suddenly dived, fell out of the sky and crashed nose first into the ground type of situation.

This time it's more gradual. Engines slowed down, plane lost altitude but remained flying as such until it reached the ground still horizontal and with the wheels down.

There does seem to be a difference in the detail. Whether or not that really matters I'm not sure, but this one does seem more orderly.

Looking at the long term and the impacts on Australian exports, there's a difference in the commodities needed to build versus to operate what is already built. Building needs steel (iron ore + coking coal) and other metals etc to build lots of infrastructure. Just running once you've built it needs oil (petrol etc), thermal coal (for electricity) etc. So some differences there on an individual commodity level.
 
From Wall Street Journal: Almost Half of Wealthy Chinese Want to Leave, Study Shows
15 Sept 2014

[Although many wealthy want to leave China for all the well worn reasons, the interesting part for me is that there are a number who want to enter China too (albeit the net figures probably skew towards exits from wealthy Chinese given weight of numbers). Pick your poison].

Is someone able to post up a link to the Barclays Report from whence this arose?? My search skills aren't strong enough. The brief details extracted from this report are on the wires too.

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Nearly half of wealthy Chinese are planning to move to another country within the next five years, according to a new Barclays survey.

The survey, which questioned more than 2,000 high net-worth individuals with more than $1.5 billion in total net worth, found that 47% of Chinese respondents said they want to move, compared with a global average of 29%.

Singaporeans were the second-most eager to flee home, with 23% planning to relocate in five years, followed by 20% for the U.K. and 16% for Hong Kong. Indian and American rich are the least likely to move, with only 5% and 6% of respondents saying they would relocate.

The top reasons Chinese cite for moving abroad are better educational and employment opportunities for children (78%), economic security and desirable climate (73%), and better health care and social services (18%). Hong Kong is their top destination (30%), followed by Canada (23%).

But for all those money drain, China is also on the receiving end: It’s a top destination for Singapore’s high net-worth individuals, with 30% saying they want to move to the Middle Kingdom.

Around the world, a growing proportion of high-net-worth individuals are earning their wealth through entrepreneurship. They have bigger risk appetites than those who inherit money and are more willing to move to find the most promising business opportunities.

Asia, set to become the largest regional market by number of millionaires by the end of 2014 according to Barclays, has created a new generation of wealthy individuals keen to educate themselves and their offspring overseas.
 

https://wealth.barclays.com/en_gb/home/research/research-centre/wealth-insights/volume-18.html
 
China opens up it's markets somewhat to the west, whilst ramping the crap out of stocks in the local communist controlled media.
Seems some may be wising up right now!!!

 
China's energy demand has increased by 8% per anum over the last decade.
China's energy consumption is the best indicator of what is happening in the economy.
Right now Chinas energy consumption is stagnant.
China isn't growing!!!
 
China's energy demand has increased by 8% per anum over the last decade.
China's energy consumption is the best indicator of what is happening in the economy.
Right now Chinas energy consumption is stagnant.
China isn't growing!!!

There has been lots of talk of a China-induced crash over the past 6 years but nothing has materialised. Why is this time different?
 
There has been lots of talk of a China-induced crash over the past 6 years but nothing has materialised. Why is this time different?

The Chinese market has done nothing but crash for the past 6 years. What are you talking about?
 
The Chinese market has done nothing but crash for the past 6 years. What are you talking about?

I thought it was the "rate of growth" that was slowing? As far as I know China has not gone into recession. The economy is still growing around 7% but down year on year with previous years. Have I missed something?
 
I thought it was the "rate of growth" that was slowing? As far as I know China has not gone into recession. The economy is still growing around 7% but down year on year with previous years. Have I missed something?

Slowing growth (we could express it as insufficient growth relative to expectations) is enough to cause a correction. For example, the composition of China's slowing growth has likely had an impact on iron ore prices.

 
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