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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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Thats the biggest factor for me.

The more oil we use the money we send over seas to fund and sustain infrastructure and jobs over seas.

The more electricity we use the more we fund and sustain infrastructure right across Australia creating new industries here and many well paid jobs and profitable capital allocations.

being more self sufficient is also a great bonus.

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When I was on a cruise in the Bahamas, I sat down for a Meal at one of those shared Tables with a guy from Kentucky, a real Trump loving, Red Neck type, that didn’t believe in climate change ( @qldfrog ) would love him.

With no help from me, some how the topic of the conversation at the table got on to EV’s and the “Evil Californian woke people”

Turns out he loves America but Hates Ev’s, I pointed out that Teslas are All American, and when you drive one you are supporting American energy companies and Jobs, and sending less money to Arabs. That seemed to flick a switch in him. I said think of those guys earning the big bucks building and maintaining the wind turbines as a new generation of hard working All American oil riggers, and he seemed to love that idea.
 
EVs not so sure..
That is the issue, non oil burning, maybe but why decide the winner and mandate it?
Let's Tesla and byd compete, sure on roi and economics but government should not decide that a lithium battery and not for example an H2 fuel cell is the answer.
In less than 4 years during WWII, in occupied France, oil was unavailable at all, and the whole trucks and delivery car etc was transformed to use wood gas.
Plenty of time
When oil will become too dear, change will come, but we should not decide winners especially when the decision is political and made by people who have a loonnnng history to be both corrupt and always wrong and incompetent.
If an EVs consumes more oil/coal per km in its lifetime than an ICE, do you agree it is not a solution to oil limited availabilty?
I would assume any non brain dead would agree?
So then let's prove within doubt that this is not the case before giving tax incentive and mandates.
Facts, numbers,sciences and technology before ideology and financial lobbies ...
And let's progress EVs as a part of the offer.
Battery weight, not only capacity or recharge time is also an area which is really an issue no-one mentions.
 
Logique2 said:
1. EVs are a fantasy indulgence of rich elites in the city.

2. Me, I'm holding on to my petrol Corolla. Enabling me to boil the planet, and cause massive species extinction.

In my Corolla, tootling up to the shops.
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1. that used to be cars in general

2. The most environmentally friendly thing to do is keep your corolla going as long as you can, and when it’s at the end of its life recycle it and buy a plug in hybrid version, or a second hand ev you can tootle up to the shops in.

You seem very angry and cynical for some reason, when no one is trying to stop you driving your corolla, and it seems weird because one of the reasons the corolla exists is because of increasing efficiency standards over the years. Ev’s are just a natural extension of this, because the internal combustion engine has pretty much peaked.
 
firstly evs don’t consume more oil than ice.

The government isn’t picking the winning Tech, They are saying we should move to emissions free vehicles not a particular Tech.

If some one designs a H2 vehicle that can compete thats fine, but you said you were worried able supply chains and charging etc, it’s going to be much harder to install H2 fuelling and distribution.

Also, you said you were worried about the 5-10% energy loss on charging a battery, the energy loss on making and using H2 is huge in comparison .
 
Note:
We should have a different thread between EVs: the offer, the models, etc and the push to mandate EVs.
Driving a Tesla or a byd, etc is not evil or good inherently .
The tech, improvements, new market offers etc is a different subject, different from the forced mandated move.
 
Maybe CF H2, I just say government should not choose the winner.
"firstly evs don’t consume more oil than ice."
Prove it, per km,including obviously from manufacturing to let's say death of vehicle and recycling, and where the power to charge it come from..even your solar panels before they give you your "free" green power need a huge amount of coal, gas and oil to be ready on your roof.
I understand you do not put fuel in your Tesla..but if Australia can not even produce green power which is producing less CO2..so fossil fuels..than a fossil fuel equivalent plant in 2024, who can?
Ohh yes Iceland or Quebec..or nuclear power but another story.
but we are neither
Then there is the manufacturing of fhe battery, transport of (heavier) vehicles etc
Anyway , so far, an Australian average 20k km a year EVs is not saving any fossil fuel on its lifetime.
Anyway another subject..part of the shabby EVs save the world BS..
 
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The Australian new car market is rapidly turning Chinese – and the trend is likely to accelerate.

Chinese-built cars already account for 16 per cent of all new cars sold in Australia (third behind Japan and Thailand), but in the battery electric vehicle category – which is to say, the future – they completely dominate.

Just over 86 per cent of Australia’s BEVs are sourced from China, including all our Teslas and Polestars, all electric Volvos and some BMWs."

Why Chinese EVs are storming Australia

The Australian new car market is rapidly turning Chinese and in the battery electric vehicle category they completely dominate.
www.afr.com
 
About the fact our solar and wind farms attached to batteries are more CO2 producing than our fossil fuel plants, I am trying hard to find back the study I found a couple of months ago:
Not lucky so far which is not surprising, I got this so far:

Estimating The Carbon Footprint Of Utility-Scale Battery Storage

As utilities combine renewable energy with large battery storage systems, there has been increasing interest in the carbon footprint of such systems. In this article, I attempt to make that calculation.
www.forbes.com
But the study I read was for an Australia specif wind and solar farm coupled with battery.
I copied this in the power generation thread
For an EV, you need to add the actual fossil fuel cost of EV plus battery building, provision,running and disposing vs ice vehicle
 
qldfrog said:
1. Maybe CF H2, I just say government should not choose the winner.
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They aren’t

I have already linked videos, that prove that, with the scientific studies linked in the description.

If you want to include the full supply chain of Ev’s you have to include the full supply chain petrol, you could nearly charge all the Ev’s in the world just with the electricity used to move and refine oil. Watch these two videos the first shows you the back end of your petrol supply. The second explains what you want to know about how many kms it takes before an ev becomes less polluting than a petrol.



We actually produce huge amounts of renewable energy here wind, solar and hydro make up a big chunk of our energy supply and they are growing.

First screen shot shows how it’s growing over the past 6 years, and the second shows the actually supply right now as I type this, and as the solar dies off tonight they crank up the hydro.


 
Perhaps as the prices of fuel escalates the use of sweat machines in the inner city burbs may make a bigger come back. Back in the day when I was an apprentice, I use to ride the bike to work every day. Constantly beat the buses and didn't have any parking worries.
 
And they can be electric but if successful, you will soon need a licence, a rego, pay a parking fee, a helmet and be fined if speeding ..last2 already implemented
Probably soon need to add fluo jacket, etc
I cycled to my "big Australian miner" job 4 days a week in my time, saving paid for the carbon bike and was healthy with 50km a day commuting.
A bit longer than train.
As I can fart and breath. Was not carbon zero....
 
Mate, don't even go there about changing my mind.
If the bush aka remote and regional Australia had the same benefits, e.g. services, infrastructure, funding, privileges as you east coasters, our EV discussion wouldn't even be entered into.

Understood.
The Fed Govt. could change this in the future just as it is with Fuel Efficiency Standards.
Reads in part:
With Australia and Russia the only developed nations left without fuel-efficiency rules, the nation is in a race to catch up. That has car makers watching closely to see the government does not go "too hard, too fast".
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FWIW, the Worldometer has real time stats across a range of sectors and specifics.

Like CO2 but note the latest data is from 2016.

Of interest, the current estimate is for oil to run out in approx. 39yrs. That's one big red flag and underlines the accelerated push away from dino oil. Naturally this estimate could all change with further Saudi Arabia or Venezuela type discoveries.

Of even more interest is the CO2 emissions we Aussies produce per capita and against other countries. 14th on the list.
 
Craton said:
Mate, don't even go there about changing my mind.
If the bush aka remote and regional Australia had the same benefits, e.g. services, infrastructure, funding, privileges as you east coasters, our EV discussion wouldn't even be entered into.
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mate, cry me a river
 
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