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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
Just some info I came across regarding the electric powered ship being built by Incat in Tasmania for an overseas customer.

Vessel carries up to 2100 passengers and 225 cars, speed 25 knots. Customer is Buquebus who'll be operating it between Argentina and Uraquay.

Battery capacity on board is a bit over 40 MWh which makes it the largest ship-based system worldwide by a considerable margin.

Also apparently the chargers will also be the largest anywhere in the world for charging an EV of any sort, though I don't have an actual figure for their power rating.
 
I wouldn't want to be around if that got thermal runaway.
 
I am really interested in this.
Can we make sure we follow up on this.all the telltale sign of a white elephant IMHO...
Why ohh why
 
I am really interested in this.
Can we make sure we follow up on this.all the telltale sign of a white elephant IMHO...
Why ohh why
I don't know what circumstances exist for the purchaser (Buquebus) but the original intent was to use LNG as the fuel source, later changed to electric.

Incat has built several ferries for Buquebus over the years, the rest being conventional internal combustion (diesel or LNG) powered however.

Incat company video (generic and not specific to this particular vessel):

 
The uploader is a total tool.
A six year old knows more about EVs than this so called "realist". He ranks behind John Cadogan locally and even bigger tossers posting on YouTube from the UK.
While media - which gets SFA revenue from the renewables sector - is on a bender to crucify EVs at every opportunity, anyone who read Hertz CEO Stephen Scherr's earnings call statement would have worked out many things that were completely opposite to what was presented or implied:
  • First, the EV component loss was not from (what we typically call) rentals, as it was instead from their "ride share" arm (to Uber and Lyft drivers)
  • an outcome from the first point was that rental drivers were considerably less likely to be involved in an accident, contrary to what was implied
  • Hertz did not adequately re-insure their ride-share arm
  • the ride-share arm was predominantly from its Tesla fleet where:
    • price cuts led to higher depreciation
    • lesser price recovery on sale
    • and higher accident repair costs
  • finally, Hertz' CEO said that had their entire fleet been EV rather than mixed, their profit would have been greater than it was:
    • "Taking account of the impact on depreciation, collision and damage and RPU relating to our EV fleet, we estimate that had our fleet in Q3 been similarly sized but comprised solely of ICE vehicles our EBITDA margin would have been several margin points higher."
As a result Hertz is continuing its strategy to move its entire fleet to EVs.

It was instructive to notice how many media outlets incorrectly reported on Hertz' earnings, and the greater number still who subsequently relied on errors of fact, and wove these into false premises bordering on outright lies.
 
I am really interested in this.
Can we make sure we follow up on this.all the telltale sign of a white elephant IMHO...
Why ohh why
The company making the ferry's battery has over 10 years experience putting them into ships, and in 2015 actually did this:

Furthermore, to solve @sptrawler's TR worries Corvus developed:

Anyone wanting to know more about the Incat ferry's battery can find it at the Corvus website.
Interestingly, Corvus is working with Toyota on Hydrogen projects, so while many in the BEV camp think hydrogen is a dead loss as an idea, its price metrics and technology continue to improve significantly. It's a bit like the idea of adding rooftop solar 20 years ago when not a lot was going for it.
 
Yes, I've been in a hydrogen taxi in Paris and a battery electric ferry in Norway, both are in service and operated fine. Lol


 

Any idea where they got the hydrogen from?
 
Any idea where they got the hydrogen from?
No I asked the driver if there was any problems filling up, he said it wasn't a problem, he spoke pretty good English for a guy from Senegal.
In the post it said that there was a fleet of hydrogen taxis deployed in Paris, as a joint business between Toyota a taxi company and I think liquid air.
I saw quite a few when walking, all Toyota's
 
From the master himself
  • finally, Hertz' CEO said that had their entire fleet been EV rather than mixed, their profit would have been greater than it was:
    • "Taking account of the impact on depreciation, collision and damage and RPU relating to our EV fleet, we estimate that had our fleet in Q3 been similarly sized but comprised solely of ICE vehicles our EBITDA margin would have been several margin points higher."
    • So read what has been actually said vs Mr Red

    • With an ice only fleet, ebitda would have been higher
    • That is translated in english as EV lost us money
Make believe as a way of life seem to be the norm for our stalinians but not a surprise
 
Just got a renewal notice from Alianz for the BYD Electric car.
First years premium as $850.
Todays renewal price $2069.
Now thats what i call inflation!
Now have to start the call around to other insurance companies to find a cheaper rate.
Mick
 
Just got a renewal notice from Alianz for the BYD Electric car.
First years premium as $850.
Todays renewal price $2069.
Now thats what i call inflation!
Now have to start the call around to other insurance companies to find a cheaper rate.
Mick
RACV came in at 850, so the boss shifted the policy to RACV.
Wonder if it will leap next year like Alianz did?
Mick
 
RACV came in at 850, so the boss shifted the policy to RACV.
Wonder if it will leap next year like Alianz did?
Mick
Maybe a reflexion of actual cost, with full battery write off at overall minimal damage crash, or lead footed driver showing off acceleration Mick ?
 
RACV came in at 850, so the boss shifted the policy to RACV.
Wonder if it will leap next year like Alianz did?
Mick

That's crazy or criminal, or both.

There was a time when loyalty meant a lot. My brother swaps insurers, including health, every year now. After 30 years of loyalty, he found that chasing the discounts that other insurers offer to swap has saved him thousands.
 
Tritium are clong their Brisbane factory and shifting production to the USA.
FromEvil Murdoch press

We often hear about the technical niche brilliance of Australian workers, their productivity etc etc.
yet we cannot build an Australian designed charger without losing money.
No further comment needed.
The government could have spent half the 100 mill it just wasted in the Pacific Islands and bought the factory lock stock and barrell and just kept making the chargers here.


Mick
 
Tried to copy & past but needs to much editing to work.

 
You are right in that I misrepresented the statement... in a fashion. Hertz' "DA" in their EBITDA was some $900M greater than the corresponding period of 2022 as a result of their Tesla fleet, but this did not affect cash flow. Corresponding EBIT was significantly higher as a result.

Hertz' Uber and Lyft drivers are gravitating to EVs as fast as they can because they derive a greater profit now, despite earning less per ride. Hertz just needs to get the rental and rideshare balances sorted out. An interesting issue for Hertz was that while the share of new electric vehicle sales was growing, studies of current EV private ownership proved there was a lower incidence of damage and collision than for ICE vehicles compared to Hertz' experience. Scherr said, "We believe these trends will converge."

Paper losses in a set of accounts don't always translate to physical losses of revenue, and Hertz wouldn't be pursuing its commitment to a 100% EV fleet if it didn't think it made sense.
 
I heard a rough estimate that ford was losing about $36k pee electric car built(obviously lowers at scale). Is hydrogen an easier cheaper conversion?
 
I heard a rough estimate that ford was losing about $36k pee electric car built(obviously lowers at scale). Is hydrogen an easier cheaper conversion?
Or just going back to science cf global warming and CO2 scam.
In the meantime, Mr Xi is laughting AND going back to the bank daily to empty his pockets .
 
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