Electric cars?

[Smurf1976]

Just some info I came across regarding the electric powered ship being built by Incat in Tasmania for an overseas customer.

Vessel carries up to 2100 passengers and 225 cars, speed 25 knots. Customer is Buquebus who'll be operating it between Argentina and Uraquay.

Battery capacity on board is a bit over 40 MWh which makes it the largest ship-based system worldwide by a considerable margin.

Also apparently the chargers will also be the largest anywhere in the world for charging an EV of any sort, though I don't have an actual figure for their power rating.

 

[sptrawler]

Just some info I came across regarding the electric powered ship being built by Incat in Tasmania for an overseas customer.

Vessel carries up to 2100 passengers and 225 cars, speed 25 knots. Customer is Buquebus who'll be operating it between Argentina and Uraquay.

Battery capacity on board is a bit over 40 MWh which makes it the largest ship-based system worldwide by a considerable margin.

Also apparently the chargers will also be the largest anywhere in the world for charging an EV of any sort, though I don't have an actual figure for their power rating.

I wouldn't want to be around if that got thermal runaway.

 

[qldfrog]

Just some info I came across regarding the electric powered ship being built by Incat in Tasmania for an overseas customer.

Vessel carries up to 2100 passengers and 225 cars, speed 25 knots. Customer is Buquebus who'll be operating it between Argentina and Uraquay.

Battery capacity on board is a bit over 40 MWh which makes it the largest ship-based system worldwide by a considerable margin.

Also apparently the chargers will also be the largest anywhere in the world for charging an EV of any sort, though I don't have an actual figure for their power rating.

I am really interested in this.
Can we make sure we follow up on this.all the telltale sign of a white elephant IMHO...
Why ohh why

 

[Smurf1976]

I am really interested in this.
Can we make sure we follow up on this.all the telltale sign of a white elephant IMHO...
Why ohh why

I don't know what circumstances exist for the purchaser (Buquebus) but the original intent was to use LNG as the fuel source, later changed to electric.

Incat has built several ferries for Buquebus over the years, the rest being conventional internal combustion (diesel or LNG) powered however.

Incat company video (generic and not specific to this particular vessel):

 

[rederob]

Hertz and electric cars

The uploader is a total tool.
A six year old knows more about EVs than this so called "realist". He ranks behind John Cadogan locally and even bigger tossers posting on YouTube from the UK.
While media - which gets SFA revenue from the renewables sector - is on a bender to crucify EVs at every opportunity, anyone who read Hertz CEO Stephen Scherr's earnings call statement would have worked out many things that were completely opposite to what was presented or implied:

• First, the EV component loss was not from (what we typically call) rentals, as it was instead from their "ride share" arm (to Uber and Lyft drivers)
• an outcome from the first point was that rental drivers were considerably less likely to be involved in an accident, contrary to what was implied
• Hertz did not adequately re-insure their ride-share arm
• the ride-share arm was predominantly from its Tesla fleet where:
  • price cuts led to higher depreciation
  • lesser price recovery on sale
  • and higher accident repair costs
• finally, Hertz' CEO said that had their entire fleet been EV rather than mixed, their profit would have been greater than it was:
  • "Taking account of the impact on depreciation, collision and damage and RPU relating to our EV fleet, we estimate that had our fleet in Q3 been similarly sized but comprised solely of ICE vehicles our EBITDA margin would have been several margin points higher."

As a result Hertz is continuing its strategy to move its entire fleet to EVs.

It was instructive to notice how many media outlets incorrectly reported on Hertz' earnings, and the greater number still who subsequently relied on errors of fact, and wove these into false premises bordering on outright lies.

 

[rederob]

I am really interested in this.
Can we make sure we follow up on this.all the telltale sign of a white elephant IMHO...
Why ohh why

The company making the ferry's battery has over 10 years experience putting them into ships, and in 2015 actually did this:

Furthermore, to solve @sptrawler's TR worries Corvus developed:

Anyone wanting to know more about the Incat ferry's battery can find it at the Corvus website.
Interestingly, Corvus is working with Toyota on Hydrogen projects, so while many in the BEV camp think hydrogen is a dead loss as an idea, its price metrics and technology continue to improve significantly. It's a bit like the idea of adding rooftop solar 20 years ago when not a lot was going for it.

 

[sptrawler]

The company making the ferry's battery has over 10 years experience putting them into ships, and in 2015 actually did this:
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Furthermore, to solve @sptrawler's TR worries Corvus developed:
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Anyone wanting to know more about the Incat ferry's battery can find it at the Corvus website.
Interestingly, Corvus is working with Toyota on Hydrogen projects, so while many in the BEV camp think hydrogen is a dead loss as an idea, its price metrics and technology continue to improve significantly. It's a bit like the idea of adding rooftop solar 20 years ago when not a lot was going for it.

Yes, I've been in a hydrogen taxi in Paris and a battery electric ferry in Norway, both are in service and operated fine. Lol

Fjords receives all-electric ferry Future of The Fjords

Norwegian operator The Fjords has received an all-electric catamaran, Future of The Fjords, which is set to commence operation next month between Norway’s Flåm and Gudvangen.

www.ship-technology.com

Hydrogen taxis | Hype x Air Liquide x Idex x Toyota Motor | EU-Japan

Three French companies – hydrogen taxi company Hype, industrial gas supplier Air Liquide, and energy supplier Idex – joined forces with Japanese car manufacturer Toyota Motor in 2019 to form HysetCo, a joint-venture determined to bring a change to the mobility landscape. Together, they deploy in...

www.eu-japan.eu

 

[IFocus]

Yes, I've been in a hydrogen taxi in Paris and a battery electric ferry in Norway, both are in service and operated fine. Lol

Fjords receives all-electric ferry Future of The Fjords

Norwegian operator The Fjords has received an all-electric catamaran, Future of The Fjords, which is set to commence operation next month between Norway’s Flåm and Gudvangen.

www.ship-technology.com

Hydrogen taxis | Hype x Air Liquide x Idex x Toyota Motor | EU-Japan

Three French companies – hydrogen taxi company Hype, industrial gas supplier Air Liquide, and energy supplier Idex – joined forces with Japanese car manufacturer Toyota Motor in 2019 to form HysetCo, a joint-venture determined to bring a change to the mobility landscape. Together, they deploy in...

www.eu-japan.eu

Any idea where they got the hydrogen from?

 

[sptrawler]

Any idea where they got the hydrogen from?

No I asked the driver if there was any problems filling up, he said it wasn't a problem, he spoke pretty good English for a guy from Senegal.
In the post it said that there was a fleet of hydrogen taxis deployed in Paris, as a joint business between Toyota a taxi company and I think liquid air.
I saw quite a few when walking, all Toyota's

 

[qldfrog]

From the master himself

• finally, Hertz' CEO said that had their entire fleet been EV rather than mixed, their profit would have been greater than it was:
  • "Taking account of the impact on depreciation, collision and damage and RPU relating to our EV fleet, we estimate that had our fleet in Q3 been similarly sized but comprised solely of ICE vehicles our EBITDA margin would have been several margin points higher."
• • So read what has been actually said vs Mr Red
  • 
    
  • With an ice only fleet, ebitda would have been higher
  • That is translated in english as EV lost us money

Make believe as a way of life seem to be the norm for our stalinians but not a surprise

 

[mullokintyre]

Just got a renewal notice from Alianz for the BYD Electric car.
First years premium as $850.
Todays renewal price $2069.
Now thats what i call inflation!
Now have to start the call around to other insurance companies to find a cheaper rate.
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

Just got a renewal notice from Alianz for the BYD Electric car.
First years premium as $850.
Todays renewal price $2069.
Now thats what i call inflation!
Now have to start the call around to other insurance companies to find a cheaper rate.
Mick

RACV came in at 850, so the boss shifted the policy to RACV.
Wonder if it will leap next year like Alianz did?
Mick

 

[qldfrog]

RACV came in at 850, so the boss shifted the policy to RACV.
Wonder if it will leap next year like Alianz did?
Mick

Maybe a reflexion of actual cost, with full battery write off at overall minimal damage crash, or lead footed driver showing off acceleration Mick ?

 

[JohnDe]

RACV came in at 850, so the boss shifted the policy to RACV.
Wonder if it will leap next year like Alianz did?
Mick

That's crazy or criminal, or both.

There was a time when loyalty meant a lot. My brother swaps insurers, including health, every year now. After 30 years of loyalty, he found that chasing the discounts that other insurers offer to swap has saved him thousands.

 

[mullokintyre]

Maybe a reflexion of actual cost, with full battery write off at overall minimal damage crash, or lead footed driver showing off acceleration Mick ?

You will have to take that up with my wife, its her car, she has driven 90% of the 24,000 KMs over the past year.
I would not be game.
mick

 

[mullokintyre]

Tritium are clong their Brisbane factory and shifting production to the USA.
FromEvil Murdoch press

We often hear about the technical niche brilliance of Australian workers, their productivity etc etc.
yet we cannot build an Australian designed charger without losing money.
No further comment needed.
The government could have spent half the 100 mill it just wasted in the Pacific Islands and bought the factory lock stock and barrell and just kept making the chargers here.


Mick

 

[JohnDe]

Tried to copy & past but needs to much editing to work.

Electric buzz: your guide to the best EVs on the market
EVs have finally captured the public imagination and the market is awash with options at all price points

Australia’s electric vehicle market has been supercharging ahead in the past 12
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Sales are on the rise as Australians are inundated with more and more choices.
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TESLA MODEL Y
Price: from $65,400
The Tesla Model Y isn’t just Australia’s favourite electric vehicle, it’s one of the
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the combination of the American brand’s technology and its growing reputation has
clearly clicked with Australian customers. Despite its popularity (or perhaps
because of it) Tesla recently slashed the price of the Model Y, cutting up to $7455 off
the ask. The range now begins at $65,400 for the base grade, rear-wheel-drive
option and runs through $78,400 for the Long Range and $91,400 for the
Performance variant. Those three offer respectable driving range, with 455km
(RWD), 533km (Long Range) and 514 kilometres (Performance). The price cut also...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/electric-buzz-your-guide-to-the-best-evs-on-the-market/news-story/6f4b65c9d8716f2d2d70c48769c2ea0b

 

[rederob]

From the master himself

• finally, Hertz' CEO said that had their entire fleet been EV rather than mixed, their profit would have been greater than it was:
  • "Taking account of the impact on depreciation, collision and damage and RPU relating to our EV fleet, we estimate that had our fleet in Q3 been similarly sized but comprised solely of ICE vehicles our EBITDA margin would have been several margin points higher."
• • So read what has been actually said vs Mr Red
  • 
    
  • With an ice only fleet, ebitda would have been higher
  • That is translated in english as EV lost us money

Make believe as a way of life seem to be the norm for our stalinians but not a surprise

You are right in that I misrepresented the statement... in a fashion. Hertz' "DA" in their EBITDA was some $900M greater than the corresponding period of 2022 as a result of their Tesla fleet, but this did not affect cash flow. Corresponding EBIT was significantly higher as a result.

Hertz' Uber and Lyft drivers are gravitating to EVs as fast as they can because they derive a greater profit now, despite earning less per ride. Hertz just needs to get the rental and rideshare balances sorted out. An interesting issue for Hertz was that while the share of new electric vehicle sales was growing, studies of current EV private ownership proved there was a lower incidence of damage and collision than for ICE vehicles compared to Hertz' experience. Scherr said, "We believe these trends will converge."

Paper losses in a set of accounts don't always translate to physical losses of revenue, and Hertz wouldn't be pursuing its commitment to a 100% EV fleet if it didn't think it made sense.

 

[moXJO]

I heard a rough estimate that ford was losing about $36k pee electric car built(obviously lowers at scale). Is hydrogen an easier cheaper conversion?

 

[qldfrog]

I heard a rough estimate that ford was losing about $36k pee electric car built(obviously lowers at scale). Is hydrogen an easier cheaper conversion?

Or just going back to science cf global warming and CO2 scam.
In the meantime, Mr Xi is laughting AND going back to the bank daily to empty his pockets .