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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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JohnDe said:
I own an EV, I would not class myself as rich, I don’t earn any of the above.
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I don't want to derail the thread with politics but I think it's fair to say that the whole debate around EV's is heavily distracted by non-technical factors. That being the wealth divide in society and the plausible use of EV's to (intentionally) widen that gap.

Just my observation. The technical aspects have been relegated to the side with public debate taken over by non-technical things in the broad category of politics and more specifically socio-economic hierarchy forming the basis of much of it.

Start talking about EV's and unless it's a strictly technical discussion, invariably those other issues come up fairly quickly.
 

Re-read the first post on this thread, it mentions ‘opinions’ On EVs. It doesn’t say this is strictly a technical discussion, and if that were the case it went of the rails somewhere near the beginning.
 
 
The problem is, that opinions are like bones, everyone has at least one.
But unlike bones, so many opinions are not terribly useful.
Politics and opinions may or may not derail the introduction of EV's.
However, failing to address the technical issues most certainly will derail the introduction of EV's.
I would much prefer to hear about these technical issues rather than the politics.
Mick
 

EVs are long past any chance of being derailed, EV sales are on the cusp of booming.



Australian EV sales data for 2022 by model, with 2023 boom to follow​

Electric vehicle uptake in Australia reached a new high with 33,410 EVs being sold in 2022. Today, The Driven publishes the list of models and numbers sold, and looks at the prospects for an even more exciting year in 2023.


 
interesting, after Tesla, the next 3 manufacturers are Chinese controlled. I have a feeling most of us will end up buying Chinese EVs.
 
Knobby22 said:
interesting, after Tesla, the next 3 manufacturers are Chinese controlled. I have a feeling most of us will end up buying Chinese EVs.
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Yes, that has become a major dilemma for the world governments and economies:
  1. how to reduce reliance on China, while your citizens are happy to buy everything from China.
  2. strengthening your own manufacturers, while losing sales to China
The traditional auto manufacturers are in more pain than most realise, not only do they have to catch up with China's EV output, but they also need to transition to EV manufacturing while maintaining ICEV production. All the while competing against companies like BYD which have the advantage of huge discounts on material and parts due to their sales figures.
 

I forgot to mention; US President Biden's EV discount initiative is to help boost American manufacturing, if an EV manufacturer wants to be part of the $7500 per vehicle discount scheme it must be built in the USA.

And Tesla introduced a large price discount to ensure it stays ahead of its Chinese competition and price structure.

Here’s every electric vehicle that qualifies for the current US federal tax credit​

 
The problem is, according to VFACTS there were 1.08 million cars sold in 2022, so EV's still only make up about 3% of the Total market.
And if you look at this graph from The Driven it might be argued that the phenomenal growth in EV sales may be about to roll over.
Is it possible that the buyers willing to be at the forefront of EV have mostly made their choice already?
The same chart over the next few months will give us some better insight.

 

I don't see a problem there. Global EV sales have increased every year, and 2023 is looking like a huge EV sales year.

When you take all the data and put it together it can be seen that EV manufacturing is being increased by all the traditional manufacturers of ICEV. Ford are building a new EV plant which includes battery manufacturing, Toyota have changed their plans and putting more effort into EV production.

Global EV sales continued strong. A total of 10,5 million new BEVs and PHEVs were delivered during 2022, an increase of +55 % compared to 2021. The regional growth pattern is shifting, though. Following 2 years of steep sales increases in Europe, EVs gained only +15 % over 2021 there. Weak overall vehicle markets and persistent component shortages have taken their toll, exacerbated by the war in Ukraine. EV sales in USA and Canada increased by 48 % year-on-year, despite a weak overall light vehicle market which plunged by 8 % during 2022 y/y. The 2nd half of 2022 saw a cautious recovery of auto markets as numbers compared to the low results of 2021 H1. Global light vehicle sales for 2022, 81 million units, were still -0,5 % lower than in 2021 and -15 % below pre-2020 levels.​



EV Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database

EV-volumes is a database of sales statistics, charging infrastructure, batteries, car models, and sales forecasts for plug-in cars.
www.ev-volumes.com
 
Neat. You quote sales of EV's in Australia.
i then put the sales of EV's in Australia into perspective so you shift to global sales.
mick
 
If the sales on E.V's falls off too much, incentives will be increased and punitive measures will be placed on ICE vehicles to make them less attractive price wise.
The Govt's are way too invested in renewable energy, to not tap into the storage capacity of EV's.
If E.V's aren't integrated into the grid as storage mediums, the extra cost to Govt to install static batteries for grid storage will be huge, add to that the ongoing replacement cost.
Having people carry the replacement cost, in the long term, will be a huge saving.
So IMO it isn't a case of if E.V's will take over, it is just a question of when.
 
SirRumpole said:
I guess the difference is that if you are worried of running out of fuel in an ICE car you can take a few jerry cans with you, with an EV you can't as far as I know carry spare batteries.
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Maybe a trailer with a generator and fuel.australian hybrid....
 
I need to apologise for my lack of patience. My industry is the automotive industry, and the number of people that think they know all there is to know about it, and the new EVs, fluctuates like the weather. Most of the time I just hold my tongue and let them speak, but every so often I need to speak up. The remarks can be very frustrating to someone that has experience but has to keep explaining things over and over. I must learn more patience.

A short list:
  • No, an EV does not need a charger fitted to your home.
  • Yes, you can drive interstate with an EV.
  • No, the drive will not take twice as long. It usually about 30 to 60 minutes longer for a 800km drive.
  • Yes, the EV does come with a charger, and you can charge at home.
  • No, it will not damage the home wiring and fuse box.
  • Yes, an EV is more economical driving to work and back than an ICEV.
  • No, an EV will not run out of charge without warning. It's like a ICEV, you must plan and watch the fuel gauge.
  • Yes, most EVs are cheaper to maintain than an ICEV, there is no engine oil or filters or belts and other such components to change.
  • No, the government is not forcing you to buy an EV.
  • Yes, people have driven all over the country with an EV. A dedicated charger is not required, just a plug socket, and the cable that comes with the car.

 
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