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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 22.1%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 40.0%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 36 18.5%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 24 12.3%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.2%
  • Total voters
    195
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Going to see a lot more of this happening -

Renault And R-Fit Team Up To Make Electric Retrofit Kits For Classics

The Renault 4, Renault 5, and first-generation Twingo can go all-electric.
French carmaker Renault has partnered with EV specialist R-Fit to make retrofit kits that turn the vintage Renault 4, Renault 5 (Le Car in the United States), and Twingo into all-electric cars.

European owners of these models can get the EV conversion installed at one of R-Fit’s garages, with the Renault 4 kit coming in at 11,900 Euro ($12,800). The retrofit kit for the Renault 5 will go on sale in France in September 2023, while the kit for the first-generation Twingo will be available at a later date, according to the manufacturer.

The Renault 4 conversion consists of a brushless synchronous motor that replaces the old internal combustion engine and leaves the original transmission untouched, a 10.7 kilowatt-hours lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) battery rated at 105 volts, an electronic battery charge gauge, and an onboard charger that can fully replenish the battery in three and a half hours via a 16-amp 220-volt domestic plug.

There’s a two year warranty and a driving range of around 80 kilometers (50 miles), and Renault says that the car’s weight distribution stays the same as before. The owner also gets all the required certification and registration documents that indicate the type of fuel as “Electricity” rather than gasoline.


“We are overjoyed about launching these electric retrofit kits that will enable people who love their classic cars and young people to drive in France in our iconic Renault 4, Renault 5 and Twingo, powered by electricity. In addition to the circular economy created by these new electric engine fits, the electric retrofit kits offer a solution that combines the pleasure of driving with savings and reliability without taking anything away from the style and the original designs of these well-loved timeless classics,” said Hugues Portron, Director of The Originals Renault - la collection.​

R-Fit also makes and installs a conversion kit for the iconic Citroen 2CV, which starts at 8,900 Euro ($9,600 at current exchange rates).

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I think this is the real future if our power in charge want to let us use individual car:
a de facto hybrid without the weight and cost of these batteries and recharge range issues:
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Aquarius Engines

The Aquarius Generator is developed and built to meet the requirements of tomorrows power demands such as: availability, reliability, redundancy , remote control, and cost efficiency
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you burn a fuel..lpg, h2, syngas or oil and get very high efficiency and EV cheap maintenance etc..a low moving part electric generator powering EV motors best of both world
what are the odds this will be given a chance?
 
qldfrog said:
I think this is the real future if our power in charge want to let us use individual car:
a de facto hybrid without the weight and cost of these batteries and recharge range issues:
www.aquariusengines.com

Aquarius Engines

The Aquarius Generator is developed and built to meet the requirements of tomorrows power demands such as: availability, reliability, redundancy , remote control, and cost efficiency
www.aquariusengines.com www.aquariusengines.com
you burn a fuel..lpg, h2, syngas or oil and get very high efficiency and EV cheap maintenance etc..a low moving part electric generator powering EV motors best of both world
what are the odds this will be given a chance?
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Short answer is no.

That is old technology, first developed over a hundred years ago and is basically a two stroke motor. Yes modern technology and techniques can clean up the combustion process, but still not perfect and would struggle with Euro Emission standards for vehicles. Besides that, the engine isn't a torque engine, working better at producing horsepower.

As a portable generator it is fine, though I'm not convinced of its longevity.

A nice idea, but in reality we are seeing the slow decline of the ICEV, including engines in hybrid vehicles. Manufacturers are reluctant to spend the money required to develop a new engine that meets coming emissions rules.

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Single- and double-acting cylinders - Wikipedia

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As a few of us on here have mentioned, the Government would be better to focus on nifrastructure, rather than encouraging uptake.

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‘Expensive interventions’ are distorting the EV market: PC

The Productivity Commission says some state governments effectively price carbon at $10,406 a tonne through their electric vehicle policies.
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Labor has been warned by the government’s independent economic think tank to temper its electric vehicle policy ambitions by avoiding “unnecessarily expensive” interventions and subsidies that seek to “force the transition”, as welfare groups said poorer households were at risk of being left behind.

In a blunt submission released this week by the government without fanfare, the Productivity Commission argues that most of the world’s biggest carmakers will have “mainstreamed” EV production, potentially to 100 per cent, by 2035.
 
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How did an Israeli startup's valuation plummet from $5 billion to $50 million? | CTech

In June 2021, Aquarius Engines celebrated the signing of an agreement with multinational Kampac International (KIP) to sell 10% of the company’s shares at a $5 billion valuation. However, KIP never exercised the option and Aquarius is now traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange at a valuation of...
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Sadly the lightweight ice to enable hybrid only EVs with no battery will probably fail
Tesla could buy it on the cheap and let its patents die
 
qldfrog said:
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How did an Israeli startup's valuation plummet from $5 billion to $50 million? | CTech

In June 2021, Aquarius Engines celebrated the signing of an agreement with multinational Kampac International (KIP) to sell 10% of the company’s shares at a $5 billion valuation. However, KIP never exercised the option and Aquarius is now traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange at a valuation of...
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Sadly the lightweight ice to enable hybrid only EVs with no battery will probably fail
Tesla could buy it on the cheap and let its patents die
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I'll tell you why the value of a company that asks investors to give it money to develop a technology that was first invented in the 1880's has plummeted, it is because all those investors realised the battery and EV technology is the future and they stopped handing out money to old tech.

Not sure if you are serious about suggesting that Tesla buy the company. That's like Boeing buying a biplane manufacturer because the price is 10% of its original set up value.
 

The plan to require solar-panel-covered parking lots is part of a bigger piece of legislation, the Law for the Acceleration of the Production of Renewable Energy, that French President Emmanuel Macron has made a centerpiece of his climate efforts. It will require all parking lots larger than about 16,000 square feet — able to hold roughly 50 American-sized cars, and more French ones — to build raised solar-panel canopies covering at least half of the surface of the parking lot.

After the French Senate holds a final vote on Tuesday — the outcome is not in doubt — Macron will give final approvals, and it will go into effect in July. Owners of parking lots will have between three and five years to comply.
 
sptrawler said:

The plan to require solar-panel-covered parking lots is part of a bigger piece of legislation, the Law for the Acceleration of the Production of Renewable Energy, that French President Emmanuel Macron has made a centerpiece of his climate efforts. It will require all parking lots larger than about 16,000 square feet — able to hold roughly 50 American-sized cars, and more French ones — to build raised solar-panel canopies covering at least half of the surface of the parking lot.

After the French Senate holds a final vote on Tuesday — the outcome is not in doubt — Macron will give final approvals, and it will go into effect in July. Owners of parking lots will have between three and five years to comply.
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Being France,it will apply to the whole of the country maybe even O/S postings.
In Brittany , north or east of France,this will be energy negative.the whole USSR collapsed as a result of that type of stupidity, but the woke state is always ready to repeat
 
qldfrog said:
Being France,it will apply to the whole of the country maybe even O/S postings.
In Brittany , north or east of France,this will be energy negative.the whole USSR collapsed as a result of that type of stupidity, but the woke state is always ready to repeat
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Isn't being French "do the opposite of what is the norm"?
 
farmerge said:
Isn't being French "do the opposite of what is the norm"?
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Yes ?, but i saw actual report of solar output in the north of France abysmal, long winter, cloud cover and grey rainy days...solar not economical.
I remember seeing similar disastrous returns in Germany.
Solar is great here in Oz at least for home power.. forgetting the rip off of AGL and cie for FIT..
 
Value Collector said:
Built to cut through the air with maximum efficiency, unlike a-lot of trucks that are built like a barn wall for some silly reason.
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American built heavy haulage semis (the early models) definitely have no aerodynamic design. European models of late seem to be designed with a bit of thought now. I know that my Mack certainly didn't like hitting a head wind.
 
qldfrog said:
Yes ?, but i saw actual report of solar output in the north of France abysmal, long winter, cloud cover and grey rainy days...solar not economical.
I remember seeing similar disastrous returns in Germany.
Solar is great here in Oz at least for home power.. forgetting the rip off of AGL and cie for FIT..
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Might be more reliable than Russian gas supply though.
 
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