Electric cars?

[SirRumpole]

So you save 200aud and waste 8 to 9 hours..ohhh no not wasted, instead of stopping in a nice restaurant, you can get crappy servo food while you want...
And save again on your coffee plastic cup?
I am actually shocked at how bad it is.
And will definitively not use an ev for any long trip for probably as long as charging takes an hour....
You will own nothing even your time (hint..your life). But be happy?

Yes, put infrastructure in before expecting people to buy the cars.

Although I'd have to say that EV's are a great option if most of one's driving is suburban and can recharge at home.

 

[qldfrog]

Yes, put infrastructure in before expecting people to buy the cars.

Although I'd have to say that EV's are a great option if most of one's driving is suburban and can recharge at home.

Were it not for the price which so far does not compute:
savings do not warrant the extra cost of ev, even with free recharge with 10y life battery, i could live comfortably with an ev as a runabout for trips around town.but not for farming tasks, nor any decent trip of any type up here in northern SE Qld..
But it's ok, the ABC fact checker just told me yesterday we have plenty of EV utes available ?

 

[qldfrog]

Yes, put infrastructure in before expecting people to buy the cars.

Although I'd have to say that EV's are a great option if most of one's driving is suburban and can recharge at home.

Which i would summarise as :
For Tesla wanxxxs in Paddington and Toorak to replace their tractors.?
I also cry lately with these EV as they are following the ICE deplorable trend of becoming disposable units.
With more focus on screens size than mecanical worth
My 15y old ute consumes less now than it was on the first year, and could go another 15y, as do many landcruisers or range rovers, or even small cars like ford fiesta etc
I cry for earth when i see some of these EVs? or similar ICEs going to the dump after 10y

 

[macca]

Were it not for the price which so far does not compute:
savings do not warrant the extra cost of ev, even with free recharge with 10y life battery, i could live comfortably with an ev as a runabout for trips around town.but not for farming tasks, nor any decent trip of any type up here in northern SE Qld..
But it's ok, the ABC fact checker just told me yesterday we have plenty of EV utes available ?

When it comes to running costs we do have to consider that once the amount of tax on fuel starts to fall you can bet your bippy there will be tax per Kilometre travelled before too long.

The tax on fuel is Huge, no way will it Not be replaced with something on EVs

 

[JohnDe]

Yes, put infrastructure in before expecting people to buy the cars.

Although I'd have to say that EV's are a great option if most of one's driving is suburban and can recharge at home.

I’ve driven thousands of country & interstate kilometres without an issue in my EV.

Like any purchase, choose well and choose wisely for your needs. Always remember that cheap today is not necessarily cheap in the long run.

 

[JohnDe]

Price is decent, but it already looks dated.

 

[qldfrog]

When it comes to running costs we do have to consider that once the amount of tax on fuel starts to fall you can bet your bippy there will be tax per Kilometre travelled before too long.

The tax on fuel is Huge, no way will it Not be replaced with something on EVs

sure it will but that will worsen the case for EV so the decision to postpone EV purchase ;
until my better half also give up on the place and I can head O/S or we stay and ICE use is forbidden on public roads

 

[JohnDe]

I find it funny that some people talk like an expert on EVs, yet they have not experienced ownership of an EV or at least a truly long distance multi day trip with one.

Farms and Landcruiser's may be an issue for some, but things are changing fast and if a farmer or hobby farmer does not keep up they are part of our productivity problems. Australia needs people capable of innovation and foresight to bring back our productivity that made us great - Electric vehicles help farmers drive savings

Head deep in the sand, comes to mind.

At least Rosie did the research, borrowed an EV for a long distance test, and assessed her findings before commenting.

EVs are coming, whether we like it or not, manufacturers and countries have put an end date on ICEVs. History shows that when something has a use by date it becomes obsolete before the date arrives.

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Oil for petrol and diesel is imported, most of it from countries that are not tolerant to our ways, we have become hostage to them and made them rich. EVs are a way to ween ourselves off of imported fuels and to become self sufficient by producing our own electricity with our own resources.

I have driven 20,000km in my EV with my wife, most of those kilometers have been in the country both in our state and interstate. As Rosie found out, our first trip was a little daunting because it was our first. However, I had done the research and chosen a vehicle with a long range and an easy charging process. Not once have we been stranded or worried about not making the distance, we have regularly travel from one city to another for the past 30 years and the EV added only 1 extra hour. My ICEV can make the drive on one tank of fuel, but we don't drive recklessly anymore, we always stop a few times for a break with a coffee or a snack or just to stretch our legs. Now we do the same while topping up the charge in the EV.

My brother is anti-EV, he sends me messages just about every day about the conspiracies of EVs and how they are bad for the environment blah blah blah. Like most, he doesn't get it. I didn't buy an EV solely for the environment. My reasons were because I'm tired of filling up at petrol stations, I have wondered for a decade when we would catch up to the future promised to us, combustion engines have fulfilled their service life and are now an inefficient form of transport.

Rosie mentioned the cost saving using electricity over fuel, she did not highlight the life time savings. EVs don't need and oil & filter change, no spark plugs or glow plugs, no air filter or fuel filter, no fuel pump or drive belts, no timing belt. The cost savings in maintenance is thousands of dollars.

EVs are not for everyone, but for those that have not truly experienced one they should try before becoming an expert.

 

[JohnDe]

 

[sptrawler]

Another real life experience driving an EV from Perth - Melbourne - Sydney return and a few observations, which we have already discussed on here. But it is good to hear it first hand.

Krishna and David did a 9,000km trip in an EV — and it wasn't as hard as they thought

Krishna Sen and her partner David Hill drove across the whole width of the country — from Perth to Melbourne, then Sydney, and back to Perth — in an electric car. This is how it went.

www.abc.net.au

The boot is packed with a huge box of plugs — from "trickle" or "granny" chargers all the way to "DC fast".

This is all to make this meticulously planned, time-consuming trip possible.

Krishna Sen and her partner David Hill are driving across the whole width of the country twice — from Perth to Melbourne, then Sydney, and back to Perth — in an electric car.

"When you start driving in an electric vehicle on a long journey, there's this thing at the back of your mind: 'Is the range of this car going to be enough to get me from one charging station to another?'," says Krishna, a retired social science professor.

"So, we started with some anxiety. Our car theoretically can do 450 kilometres with a full charge, but in reality, it can't.

"If it's a cold morning, it (the battery) does less. If we need to use the heater, it does less.

"All of this adds to your anxiety, and also a bit of excitement.

Over the course of the 25-day, 9,211-kilometre journey, Krishna and David found the trip was not as hard as they (or that swift commenter) thought.

 

[JohnDe]

Another real life experience driving an EV from Perth - Melbourne - Sydney return and a few observations, which we have already discussed on here. But it is good to hear it first hand.

Krishna and David did a 9,000km trip in an EV — and it wasn't as hard as they thought

Krishna Sen and her partner David Hill drove across the whole width of the country — from Perth to Melbourne, then Sydney, and back to Perth — in an electric car. This is how it went.

www.abc.net.au

The boot is packed with a huge box of plugs — from "trickle" or "granny" chargers all the way to "DC fast".

This is all to make this meticulously planned, time-consuming trip possible.

Krishna Sen and her partner David Hill are driving across the whole width of the country twice — from Perth to Melbourne, then Sydney, and back to Perth — in an electric car.

"When you start driving in an electric vehicle on a long journey, there's this thing at the back of your mind: 'Is the range of this car going to be enough to get me from one charging station to another?'," says Krishna, a retired social science professor.

"So, we started with some anxiety. Our car theoretically can do 450 kilometres with a full charge, but in reality, it can't.

"If it's a cold morning, it (the battery) does less. If we need to use the heater, it does less.

"All of this adds to your anxiety, and also a bit of excitement.

Over the course of the 25-day, 9,211-kilometre journey, Krishna and David found the trip was not as hard as they (or that swift commenter) thought.

Read that early this morning, and wondered why they needed a 'a huge box of plugs'. But then I realised what they drove. Reminded me of someone driving a Mini across the Nullabor in the 1960's, it can be done but when comparing to a Holden or Ford of the day wasn't much fun.

I carry 3 cables, in the back there's the dedicated charging cable in its special bag which includes a 10A and 15A plug, and in the Frunk I have a HD extension cable and a MENNEKES Type 2 Adapter.

When purchasing I had long distance driving in mind, so chose a long range model and picked up the extra cables. Christmas holidays I was planning a 3000km drive across the country, fairly easy with the built in software program, but something has come up. There will be some country drives and testing happening on a smaller scale, I'll post the outcomes.

 

[sptrawler]

Read that early this morning, and wondered why they needed a 'a huge box of plugs'.

I'm getting exactly what they are driving, I couldn't get in and out of the model 3, way too much joint damage.

 

[farmerge]

Hello John De have been toying with the electric car purchase for a while now, but current car is only 3 years young. I am presently working for a former Fed pollie who recently pruchased an EV and by all accounts it is the ants pants. Time and patience i have to make sure the bugs are ironed out

 

[JohnDe]

Hello John De have been toying with the electric car purchase for a while now, but current car is only 3 years young. I am presently working for a former Fed pollie who recently pruchased an EV and by all accounts it is the ants pants. Time and patience i have to make sure the bugs are ironed out

Now is a great time to sell an ICEV, prices are very high for good stock. That’s going to change soon, new ICEV stock is finally starting to flow into the market. Prices of used stock is bound to drop soon.

 

[JohnDe]

I'm getting exactly what they are driving, I couldn't get in and out of the model 3, way too much joint damage.

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It’s always the knee’s ?

Nothing wrong with that model, but if you’re planning a trip like they did just use the EV charging apps & just a couple of cables; those I mentioned & a 3 phase

 

[farmerge]

Now is a great time to sell an ICEV, prices are very high for good stock. That’s going to change soon, new ICEV stock is finally starting to flow into the market. Prices of used stock is bound to drop soon.

Hard part of this is she is really happy with the Subaru we presently have. Her car not mine

 

[sptrawler]

Teething problems will be an issue and why the State and Federal Govt's need to get on with sorting out the grid.

Electric-car owners told to avoid charging during California heatwave

US power companies have warned California’s electric-car owners to avoid charging their vehicles this weekend, as high temperatures and a public holiday spark concerns about the strength of the state's energy grid.

www.drive.com.au

The rollout of electric cars in California has triggered an energy crisis that many industry insiders have feared since the increase in sales of zero emissions vehicles.
Electric-car owners in California have been told to avoid charging their vehicles as the US state prepares for a heat wave this weekend.
The Labor Day holiday coincides with predicted temperatures between 35 to 38 degrees celsius in south-west California, placing excess demand on the state’s electricity grid.

 

[JohnDe]

Cadogan has his say on that issue:



For me EVs don't make much sense at all *at this stage*.... As much as I love my new EG (electric generator that I posted about elsewhere)

 

[Sdajii]

Currently only about 1% of vehicles in the USA are EVs, but already there are charging restrictions because of electricity supply shortages and infrastructure shortcomings.

Sure, any new development requires new infrastructure to support it, but this is a pretty monumental challenge given that not only is there a plan to increase electricity demand from EVs by a massive multiple, but at the same time there is a push to use more expensive and less reliable sources of electricity.

In Australia the situation is similar. Electricity prices are already skyrocketing mostly due to the government forcing a move away from coal and to more expensive, less reliable options, and on top of that there is the massive push to convert private vehicles to electric.

In Europe we're seeing all sorts of electricity issues as well as other energy crises.

A lot about this whole transition is beginning to seem implausible, or at the very least, set to cause us all a lot of great pain.

Meanwhile, China is set to profit from it directly and indirectly through watching their stated enemies harm themselves, while China itself continues to expand its use of coal.

 

[wayneL]

^^ An inconvenient truth.