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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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Wouldn't Australian Consumer Law (eff since Jan 2011 I think) cover most of these areas where manufacturers try to get away with stuff.

A mate of mine had an issue with a Toyota Prado Sahara where one of the headlight adjusters stuck either up or down.
Toyota claimed it was out of warranty by a few months but when they were reminded of the implications of consumer law as he claimed it was a safety issue and unfit for purpose he was advised that they would make an exception and replace the complete assembly for free, which they did.

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees
 
Boggo said:
Wouldn't Australian Consumer Law (eff since Jan 2011 I think) cover most of these areas where manufacturers try to get away with stuff.

A mate of mine had an issue with a Toyota Prado Sahara where one of the headlight adjusters stuck either up or down.
Toyota claimed it was out of warranty by a few months but when they were reminded of the implications of consumer law as he claimed it was a safety issue and unfit for purpose he was advised that they would make an exception and replace the complete assembly for free, which they did.

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees
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Yes, he does mention Consumer Law, but what a hassle as an owner to have to negotiate with the repairer (there is no BYD dealership network at the moment, all work will be done by an approved franchise).
 
JohnDe said:
Yes, he does mention Consumer Law, but what a hassle as an owner to have to negotiate with the repairer (there is no BYD dealership network at the moment, all work will be done by an approved franchise).
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@JohnDe all the more reason to avoid anything that doesn't have a backup network I guess.

Having said that I think the carmakers are seeing this change in car types as an opportunity to create a whole new level of poor service and expense. Look at the Nissan Leaf that are selling for between $27k to to $47k but a new set of batteries will cost over $30k !!!
 
The media wheels turn slowly, especially on issues that don't grab headlines, getting battery manufacturing going in Australia IMO is the most important issue facing us. Just sending raw materials away for processing is more harmful to our kids futures than the price of a house, yet it gets minimal coverage, maybe at last the penny is dropping.
www.abc.net.au

EV makers are so desperate for battery minerals, they're going direct to Australian mines

A cocktail of minerals is needed to make EV batteries and Australia has them in abundance. But will the country capitalise on its natural resources advantage?
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
sptrawler said:
The media wheels turn slowly, especially on issues that don't grab headlines, getting battery manufacturing going in Australia IMO is the most important issue facing us. Just sending raw materials away for processing is more harmful to our kids futures than the price of a house, yet it gets minimal coverage, maybe at last the penny is dropping.
www.abc.net.au

EV makers are so desperate for battery minerals, they're going direct to Australian mines

A cocktail of minerals is needed to make EV batteries and Australia has them in abundance. But will the country capitalise on its natural resources advantage?
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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As i already expressed: in your dreams ..
Have you tried to build a house lately? Then imagine a chemical factory, with power need, technical know how and polluting processes.
NOT A CHANCE..but agree it should be the way to go.
 
Another piece of fluff from the national broadcaster. Want to be a player? We need a LOT more holes in the ground.
How's that going to go with Albo and the greens?...no comment from the ABC.

"According to Mr Cooke, big investments are going to be needed to ensure supply can keep pace with the rapidly increasing use of battery minerals."

Scale of the sort required is beyond Australia, no one is coming here to build a gigafactory. Congratulations, you have managed to price a whole country out of the biggest step change in emission free technologies in our lifetimes.
 
@qldfrog and @bk1 , go over to general chat 'future of power generation and storage' thread, I agree with your sentiments.
But as usual Australia is going to shoot itself in the foot again, the amount of renewables and storage we will need, would support the creation of a massive industrial manufacturing base, but as you guys say Australia will just buy off the shelf from China.
 
JohnDe said:
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For the price point it sounds good, I personally think the interior will date very quickly, as it probably isn't mainstream Australian fare IMO.
But pretty impressive car IMO. I wonder if the navigation issue, is a result of the Trump ban on Google and other U.S mapping software access?
 
sptrawler said:
For the price point it sounds good, I personally think the interior will date very quickly, as it probably isn't mainstream Australian fare IMO.
But pretty impressive car IMO. I wonder if the navigation issue, is a result of the Trump ban on Google and other U.S mapping software access?
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So far, the only EV i consider here in oz...until i look at the $..but BYD still the best.
 
sptrawler said:
For the price point it sounds good, I personally think the interior will date very quickly, as it probably isn't mainstream Australian fare IMO.
But pretty impressive car IMO. I wonder if the navigation issue, is a result of the Trump ban on Google and other U.S mapping software access?
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Yes that interior is a bit 'flash gordon sci-fi style', pricing is pretty good and range is decent, but if I was looking to buy my concern would be quality, warranty and long term support.

BYD have already changed their delivery /repair dealer and back tracked on the warranty, and are still waiting for a ANCAP rating.

Watching the videos I noticed a lot of movement in the steering wheel while driving on straight roads. That is something that I do not get from my 2014 Holden SSV Ute & 2021Telsa M3.

UPDATE: 22/8/22: EVDirect has backtracked on its warranty coverage, and confirmed rated towing and roof rack capabilities while updating its website under the BYD Automotive branding from Eagers. Previously, EVDirect promised a seven-year, unlimited kilometre vehicle warranty and seven-year/160,000km battery warranty.​
 
JohnDe said:
Yes that interior is a bit 'flash gordon sci-fi style', pricing is pretty good and range is decent, but if I was looking to buy my concern would be quality, warranty and long term support.

BYD have already changed their delivery /repair dealer and back tracked on the warranty, and are still waiting for a ANCAP rating.
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I agree with you and one of the reasons I went for the Kona, dealership backup, but I only expect to keep it for 5 years, by then the landscape will have changed heaps IMO.
 
SirRumpole said:
A newbie's experience with EV's in Australia.

She's an engineer so she knows what she's talking about.

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Haven't watched the video yet, but your comment "She's an engineer so she knows what she's talking about" made me laugh.

My business deals with 'engineered' components every day, and the crew and I regularly scratch our heads at some of the engineering we see.

Just thought I'd say. Now I'll watch the video.
 
SirRumpole said:
A newbie's experience with EV's in Australia.

She's an engineer so she knows what she's talking about.

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So you save 200aud and waste 8 to 9 hours..ohhh no not wasted, instead of stopping in a nice restaurant, you can get crappy servo food while you want...
And save again on your coffee plastic cup?
I am actually shocked at how bad it is.
And will definitively not use an ev for any long trip for probably as long as charging takes an hour....
You will own nothing even your time (hint..your life). But be happy?
 
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