Electric cars?

[qldfrog]

At a technical level I'm very sure it's all doable with the right approach. I say that having crunched plenty of numbers and so on, it's not just an ideological or in principle comment. Done properly electric vehicles are workable.

On the other hand well yeah, I ain't no fan of the "you will own nothing and be a slave" crowd coming up with ways to stop anyone other than the rich driving.

Workable done properly and for certain needs and people, but need to be affordable and do the job, i can not bring any ev available in Australia thru the farm, then the idea of crossing a creek with a lithium battery under the belly is scary.and what about the millions living outside big cities in farms and small regional town when a trip to the shopping centee is a 200 or 400km run..do you just then pray not to break a leg or have a snake bite during the following day if you need to go to the hospital or see a gp?
This whole societal model is designed for european or american cities,with public transport.their answer will be to push people out of the country and back into urban ghettos, where more control is possible and more leverage available.
Once tou do things like ban ice, this is not technical but brainless ideology

 

[orr]

True in the Australian sense perhaps but there are certainly places overseas looking to ban the sale of ICE light vehicles completely.

Nuance Smurf, one important word; 'sale of new ICE light vehicals'
So lets be honest... given the fact that a model-T can still be driven today, one hundred plus years after the first was sold, anyone who'd like could continue to drive ICE vehical for centuries into the future.
Those wanting to kick themselves in the back end financially utilising ICE vehicals will have that choice and more importantly the freedom to do so for generations to come. Obviously there will be a quickly diminishing cohort of these economic imbiciles as even a cursory look at adoption curves of new and improved technogies would indicate.
Once this is acknowedged.....??? ..... What am I talking about 'acknowledged ? I sound like an idiot .... It's bleeding obvious. (to some)

 

[JohnDe]

Crossing Rivers in an Electric Rivian - Pat Callinan's 4X4 Adventures

Rivian set out to prove once and for all the all-electric R1T is capable off-road. Is this just a marketing stunt or serious capability?

mr4x4.com.au

 

[JohnDe]

Tesla are looking to build more Gigafactory's, one to be announced very soon and it is possibly Canada. If Australian governments and industry put their heads together we could offer try and get into the next round a few year from now

Some of the reasons Canada is likely to be the location for the next Gigafactory

 

[Value Collector]

Isn’t one of the first rules tradesman learn to “use the right tool for the job?

It’s a pretty easy fix, get a digger with a bigger battery or get a faster charging system.

This guys next video will be about how a lawn mowing contractor blew up his $99 ryobi whipper snipper.

Serious I don’t understand why these angry little men waste their time making these BS videos.

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Mean while, some of the largest and most powerful earthmoving equipment ever built is electric, and has been for years.

 

[SirRumpole]

True in the Australian sense perhaps but there are certainly places overseas looking to ban the sale of ICE light vehicles completely.

Yes, the ACT. Lala land if ever there was one.

 

[wayneL]

Isn’t one of the first rules tradesman learn to “use the right tool for the job?

It’s a pretty easy fix, get a digger with a bigger battery or get a faster charging system.

This guys next video will be about how a lawn mowing contractor blew up his $99 ryobi whipper snipper.

Serious I don’t understand why these angry little men waste their time making these BS videos.

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Mean while, some of the largest and most powerful earthmoving equipment ever built is electric, and has been for years.

1/ False equivalence fallacy.

2/ True, but with their own diesel generator

 

[wayneL]

Workable done properly and for certain needs and people, but need to be affordable and do the job, i can not bring any ev available in Australia thru the farm, then the idea of crossing a creek with a lithium battery under the belly is scary.and what about the millions living outside big cities in farms and small regional town when a trip to the shopping centee is a 200 or 400km run..do you just then pray not to break a leg or have a snake bite during the following day if you need to go to the hospital or see a gp?
This whole societal model is designed for european or american cities,with public transport.their answer will be to push people out of the country and back into urban ghettos, where more control is possible and more leverage available.
Once tou do things like ban ice, this is not technical but brainless ideology

Subsequent to this post one of our resident Trots floated out that we are all imbeciles unless we buy an electric sh1tbox, in spite of everything that has been said and especially in light of your observations here, Froggy.

Projection? Yes I think so. Said poster never says anything without casting aspersions via laughable word salads.

I think it say much about him/her/it/zhim/zher, or whatever ludicrous pronoun it has invented for itself.

Very good post, Sir.

 

[Smurf1976]

Nuance Smurf, one important word; 'sale of new ICE light vehicals'

I thought that was obvious - governments generally don't stop the transfer of existing property between individuals. Rules and regulations, regarding anything, generally only apply to new product being sold (with the occasional exception due to safety).

given the fact that a model-T can still be driven today, one hundred plus years after the first was sold, anyone who'd like could continue to drive ICE vehical for centuries into the future.

Technically they could but not in practice as a regular use vehicle.

It'll vary with use and the quality of the vehicle but once a car is 15 years past its original manufacturing date, the scrapping rate starts to go up and very, very few survive past 30 years. Those that do are in the hands of collectors and so on or they're rust buckets that wouldn't pass even the most basic inspection.

Statistically cars last about 20 years on average. That's the duration from first sold to scrapped, a point governments and others are well aware of when considering the ban on new sales.

 

[qldfrog]

I thought that was obvious - governments generally don't stop the transfer of existing property between individuals. Rules and regulations, regarding anything, generally only apply to new product being sold (with the occasional exception due to safety).


Technically they could but not in practice as a regular use vehicle.

It'll vary with use and the quality of the vehicle but once a car is 15 years past its original manufacturing date, the scrapping rate starts to go up and very, very few survive past 30 years. Those that do are in the hands of collectors and so on or they're rust buckets that wouldn't pass even the most basic inspection.

Statistically cars last about 20 years on average. That's the duration from first sold to scrapped, a point governments and others are well aware of when considering the ban on new sales.

I would also point the fact that ban for new ice sales are often going hand in hand with entry ban for local city center or whole shires.
Vote teal
Ban already in place in some European cities for diesel or older cars.
So rural people will not be able to drive suitable cars....unless they buy unaffordable EVs on top of their useful existing ice workhorses..yes sure..
We are talking farmers AND supporting economies, the local butcher,teachers, GPs, mechanics, good luck for EV tractors or harvesters ..
do not complain when cities start starving..but we will blaming climate change,or Putin or whoever will be the villain of the day...
And note once again that all the above could be solved using syn fuel but there is ideological reluctance at the idea that we could carry on life as usual using 0 emission fuel, there is no Reset..or extra $ profit in the right hands.
The very same people pointing to the energy cost of these.. inefficient...are often the same promoting H2 economy..which by the time it goes thru compressor or ammonia for transport is not that better.
Take your green h2,add bloody co2 if you believe it is such a poison, do synfuel and let the whole economy run as it was before, with people still able to leverage 100y of engineering and existing assets.
That should leave plenty of time for a transition to EV, cells etc when the tech is ready for widespread universal use.
As is, it is not . Still no news here from BYD after the frog subscribed to their info stream....

 

[Smurf1976]

I would also point the fact that ban for new ice sales are often going hand in hand with entry ban for local city center or whole shires.

This.

I'm in favour of EV's from a technical and resource perspective but I see straight through such city center (etc) bans for what they are and oppose them absolutely.

I thought that was obvious

Commenting on my own post that I meant to include a there.

Didn't intend to sound condescending to the comment I was responding to. Just that yeah, I mean new cars.

 

[Value Collector]

1/ False equivalence fallacy.

2/ True, but with their own diesel generator

No, they don’t need a diesel generator they can be connected directly to grid with a cable.

 

[wayneL]

No, they don’t need a diesel generator they can be connected directly to grid with a cable.

A haulpak is running around with a cable attached to it? I gotta see that to believe it.

 

[Value Collector]

A haulpak is running around with a cable attached to it? I gotta see that to believe it.

Yep, it’s very common, been that way for 50 years. you can see the cable coming out of the back of this digger in the video.

Also, depending on operating conditions some electric mining trucks never ever need charging, they just run for ever with out needing to charge.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yep, it’s very common, been that way for 50 years. you can see the cable coming out of the back of this digger in the video.

Also, depending on operating conditions some electric mining trucks never ever need charging, they just run for ever with out needing to charge.

Isn't this a bit like saying that a diesel electric train is an electric train ?

 

[wayneL]

Yep, it’s very common, been that way for 50 years. you can see the cable coming out of the back of this digger in the video.

Also, depending on operating conditions some electric mining trucks never ever need charging, they just run for ever with out needing to charge.

That's not a haulpak. A digger is more or less stationary.

Additionally we do have electric trains/trams, but they run on set tracks with overhead power supply.

We're talking here about free roving vehicles relying on battery storage.

Like cars, utes, trucks and haulpaks.

At the moment it is very successful with normal passenger vehicles, recharging limitations notwithstanding.

I like battery technology, I am using it in my business with a 2kwh Li battery setup... It's awesome and far superior to a petrol generator*for how I use it*.

It does have limitations though and there are rare occasions where I need to drag out my petrol generator.

It's the heavyweight applications as noted in the above videos... Heavy towing, large trucks etcetera.

There are no electric locomotives pulling containers across the Nullarbor for a reason, they are all diesel.

Can those battery limitations be solved? That's beyond all of pay grade, but until that is solved, while I'd happily buy a Tesla to be a virtue signalling poser (and enjoy that 3 second 0-100) I'll keep my ICE work vehicle thanks.

 

[JohnDe]

Some of the reasons Canada is likely to be the location for the next Gigafactory

Toyota to invest $US5.6 billion in electric vehicle batteries. Many projects heading into Canada & the USA, easy access to resources and stable economies. Is Australian government & industry working to get us some action on the EV supply front?

Japanese carmaker Toyota has announced a $US5.6 billion investment into producing batteries for the company’s transition into electric vehicles.

Production is set to begin some time between 2024 and 2026, with the funds being used to upgrade its plants in Japan and the US state of North Carolina.

Toyota to invest $US5.6 billion in electric vehicle batteries

Japanese carmaker Toyota has announced a $US5.6 billion investment into producing batteries for the company’s transition into electric vehicles. Production is set to begin some time between 2024 and 2026, with the funds being used to upgrade its plants in Japan and the US state of North Carolina.

www.skynews.com.au

 

[JohnDe]

As EVs drive a mining revolution, will Australia become a battery minerals superpower?

If we don't, then heads should role amongst government and industry leaders.

EV makers are so desperate for battery minerals, they're going direct to Australian mines

A cocktail of minerals is needed to make EV batteries and Australia has them in abundance. But will the country capitalise on its natural resources advantage?

www.abc.net.au

 

[Value Collector]

That's not a haulpak. A digger is more or less stationary.

Additionally we do have electric trains/trams, but they run on set tracks with overhead power supply.

We're talking here about free roving vehicles relying on battery storage.

Like cars, utes, trucks and haulpaks.

At the moment it is very successful with normal passenger vehicles, recharging limitations notwithstanding.

I like battery technology, I am using it in my business with a 2kwh Li battery setup... It's awesome and far superior to a petrol generator*for how I use it*.

It does have limitations though and there are rare occasions where I need to drag out my petrol generator.

It's the heavyweight applications as noted in the above videos... Heavy towing, large trucks etcetera.

There are no electric locomotives pulling containers across the Nullarbor for a reason, they are all diesel.

Can those battery limitations be solved? That's beyond all of pay grade, but until that is solved, while I'd happily buy a Tesla to be a virtue signalling poser (and enjoy that 3 second 0-100) I'll keep my ICE work vehicle thanks.

They have battery electric trucks too,

This one in Sweden can run for months or perhaps years without charging, sure beats an ice version. (FMG are current designing a train to pull off the same concept as the truck in the video, due to the fact that it’s mine is at a higher alltitude than its port, and it will leave the port empty but travel the down hill leg home ladder with a heavy load)

No one here is saying that current electric vehicles beat current ice vehicles in every situation 100% of the time, I think all most of us believe is that there are a lot of advantages, and a growing numbers of applications where they are better, despite what the angry little change fearing scarecrows from your videos think.

 

[qldfrog]

Wont be long before some of my ignore list read it on their ABC, but worthwhile linking here

'Bold' plan to ditch 8,000 diesel buses in Sydney for electric fleet delayed by five years because of cost

The NSW government concedes a "bold goal" of transitioning Sydney buses from diesel to electric by 2030 is no longer possible — extending the timeline to reach net zero across the transport fleet.

www.abc.net.au