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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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SirRumpole said:
So if you sell the car and the new owner doesn't want to pay the subscription. BMW comes and rips the seats out ?
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It ends like any software subscription - stop paying and the service stops after 30 days.

The BMW software will just stop activation of whatever option hasn't been paid for.
 
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SirRumpole said:
I doubt it would be too difficult to bypass the wifi and directly connect the bits to a switch, and who would know ?
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My Tesla came with heated seats in the back seat, but they didn’t work because I hadn’t selected that upgraded.

However, I’m the tesla app recently I got a notification that there was a “sale” and I could unlock the rear heated seats for $250, so I did.

Same with self driving software, they all have it but you have to pay to unlock the software, some Teslas were actually built with long range batteries due to manufacturing supply issues, but the batteries are software limited unless you paid for it.
 
Value Collector said:
My Tesla came with heated seats in the back seat, but they didn’t work because I hadn’t selected that upgraded.

However, I’m the tesla app recently I got a notification that there was a “sale” and I could unlock the rear heated seats for $250, so I did.
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Well it's obviously a marketing ploy, but if I buy a car with certain equipment then I expect it to work without paying extra.

So did you have locks on the aircon, sat nav , radio, auto drive , power windows ?

Where will it end if that sort of thing continues ?

Was the $250 a one off payment or a subscription ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Well it's obviously a marketing ploy, but if I buy a car with certain equipment then I expect it to work without paying extra.

So did you have locks on the aircon, sat nav , radio, auto drive , power windows ?

Where will it end if that sort of thing continues ?
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Choice, we all have a choice.
 
SirRumpole said:
Well it's obviously a marketing ploy, but if I buy a car with certain equipment then I expect it to work without paying extra.

So did you have locks on the aircon, sat nav , radio, auto drive , power windows ?

Where will it end if that sort of thing continues ?

Was the $250 a one off payment or a subscription ?
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One off payment of $250, it would have been $500 if I had added it when I purchased the car.

Rear Heated seats were marked as optional extras when I placed my order, and I chose not to pay $500 extra at the time.

But, due to certain manufacturing issues during the model 3 ramp up they found it easier to just put them in all the cars, and then just made it an option to unlock it.

When they offered it for half price, I decided to unlock it.

Cars have always come with optional extras and upgrades that cost extra, if a company wants to take the risk of paying to install them and hope that enough people choose to unlock them later I guess that’s a business risk they can choose to take.
 
Value Collector said:
One off payment of $250, it would have been $500 if I had added it when I purchased the car.

Rear Heated seats were marked as optional extras when I placed my order, and I chose not to pay $500 extra at the time.

But, due to certain manufacturing issues during the model 3 ramp up they found it easier to just put them in all the cars, and then just made it an option to unlock it.

When they offered it for half price, I decided to unlock it.

Cars have always come with optional extras and upgrades that cost extra, if a company wants to take the risk of paying to install them and hope that enough people choose to unlock them later I guess that’s a business risk they can choose to take.
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I can see the business logic in what they have done, I guess I'm old fashioned enough not to like having a company in control of my vehicle after I've bought it.

That's a consumer based philosophical view, it will be interesting to see how far the 'shared ownership' view that some corporations take progresses and whether it faces consumer resistance.
 
SirRumpole said:
I can see the business logic in what they have done, I guess I'm old fashioned enough not to like having a company in control of my vehicle after I've bought it.

That's a consumer based philosophical view, it will be interesting to see how far the 'shared ownership' view that some corporations take progresses and whether it faces consumer resistance.
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You can just not connect it to wifi and operate it like a normal car and never update anything if you like, but I think the benefits of updates out weigh the drawbacks.
 
sptrawler said:
The down side of high tech over the air upgradability, it sounds as though it wont be long, before they get everyone on the drip feed payment schemes. ?

www.abc.net.au

From $20 heated steering wheels to fancy exercise bike classes, beware the pitfalls of over-subscribing

With news BMW is offering subscriptions for features like heated steering wheels, customers might fear the "microtransactions" model is meant to gouge them. But that's not really the end game for sellers, writes Louise Grimmer.
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Car makers are among the first cabs off the rank, using software to turn on and off optional extras.

German auto maker BMW is offering "in-car microtransactions" to access options for car buyers in Britain, Korea, Germany, New Zealand and South Africa. A heated steering wheel, for example, has a monthly cost of NZ$20 in New Zealand, and £10 in the UK (both around $18)

Other markets including Australia will soon follow.

In the UK, seven of 13 "digital services" — from heated seats to automatic high beam and driving assistance — are now available in subscription form.
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It’s also a way to escape some of the luxury vehicle tax.

If you pay for all the upgrades upfront included in the price of the car, and that pushes the cars value over the luxury vehicle tax threshold you end up paying 26% (or what ever the rate is) in tax on all the amount over that level.

How ever, if you add those features on later you will avoid triggering the tax on those purchases.
 
Value Collector said:
It’s also a way to escape some of the luxury vehicle tax.

If you pay for all the upgrades upfront included in the price of the car, and that pushes the cars value over the luxury vehicle tax threshold you end up paying 26% (or what ever the rate is) in tax on all the amount over that level.

How ever, if you add those features on later you will avoid triggering the tax on those purchases.
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Good point but sshh, don't tell the government. ;)

Another reason why the second hand EV market will be important.

If governments electrify their fleets and turn the cars over every 3 years, they will obviously not be paying luxury tax and consumers will benefit.
 
SirRumpole said:
I can see the business logic in what they have done, I guess I'm old fashioned enough not to like having a company in control of my vehicle after I've bought it.

That's a consumer based philosophical view, it will be interesting to see how far the 'shared ownership' view that some corporations take progresses and whether it faces consumer resistance.
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Remember: you will own nothing but be happy..You will end up purchasing a lease on a car, not a car , pay the cost monthly by direct debit and be happy..no worries etc...
obviously, for this to work for the corporations, it means you will be the sucker but hey..
so your phone, your car, next your house, your land and even your money....people are happily moving to serfdom..and will so disregard the notion of property ownership...
Step by step we creep..but the reset is just conspiracy
 
mullokintyre said:
Short hop freight traffic would be an ideal proving ground, without putting the RPT customers at risk as guinea pigs.
Scalability would be an issue, the ES-19 has four engines of 400 KW each, the equivalent of around 9 base model tesla model 3.
I can find no information on aviation websites as to the battery capacity of the ES 19 , but I can imagine it would be huge, and the weight significant.
Not to mention the size of the charging cable!
Of course all this is based on Vapourware, the aircraft has not even had a test flight yet.
I guess its a bit like the Tesla Cyber truck.
Mick
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Things are moving along in the Electric Aircraft sphere.
From The evil Murdoch Empire
The race to achieve zero emissions in flight has a new contender.
Regional Express has teamed up with Sydney Seaplanes’ subsidiary Dovetail Electric Aviation to pioneer the conversion of turbine-powered aircraft to electric.

Under the partnership, electric engines will be retrofit to legacy aircraft initially for regional and general aviation flying.

It’s possible the first electric flights could be in the air as soon as 2025 over short distances.
Rex deputy chairman John Sharp said the airline was “proud and excited” to be at the forefront of developments in sustainable regional aviation, and helping with national efforts to achieve net zero emissions by 2050.

“Australia, with its very high utilisation of regional aviation and large number of aircraft capable of conversion, is a perfect incubator for the electric aviation industry,” Mr Sharp said.

“Significantly lower operating costs of electric aircraft will also help to stimulate regional aviation services between communities not currently served by scheduled flights.”

The plan was for Rex to provide an aircraft to be used as a test bed for the project, along with a raft of support facilities such as engineering expertise and technical assistance.

Sydney Seaplanes chief executive Aaron Shaw said they were delighted to be partnering with Rex for an initiative that promised to put Australia firmly on the map as a global leader in electric aircraft.

In the first instance, the battery powered planes would operate short flights such as Rose Bay to Palm Beach, while work continued on electric aircraft capable of longer distances.

“My view is you have to start somewhere, otherwise you’ll never get to your destination,” Mr Shaw said.

“Our vision is to lead regional aviation across the world into an exciting new sustainable era.”
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The short haul SAAB 340's will need to be upgraded some time in the future.
Perhaps this is the way they are going about it.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
Things are moving along in the Electric Aircraft sphere.
From The evil Murdoch Empire

The short haul SAAB 340's will need to be upgraded some time in the future.
Perhaps this is the way they are going about it.
Mick
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I have a fundamental issue with E planes as battery energy density is nowhere near fossil fuel especially aviation fuel.
It means every electric plane is heavier,can carry less and can not go as far.so we will not be able to compare fairly.
A bit like if all ev cars were only 2 seaters/ no boot space .
I know in the new world,who cares but this will definitely ensure no mass plane travel.. perfectly in line with intentions
 
qldfrog said:
I have a fundamental issue with E planes as battery energy density is nowhere near fossil fuel especially aviation fuel.
It means every electric plane is heavier,can carry less and can not go as far.so we will not be able to compare fairly.
A bit like if all ev cars were only 2 seaters/ no boot space .
I know in the new world,who cares but this will definitely ensure no mass plane travel.. perfectly in line with intentions
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Solar panels on the wings might help.
 
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