Electric cars?

[qldfrog]

Just heard that in Norway effective from 2025 people there will only be able to buy & drive an EV & nothing else.

Norway has power(hydro and oil), a strong currency, it might be possible to some workers to afford EV..and that makes sense as they can charge them overnight on hydro power available....
Not exactly our case....?
And i forgot to mention the size of the country??

 

[qldfrog]

ps: the engineer view best place for EV are small islands: Vanuatu Fidji Norfolk's..small size,fully dependent on oil imports, no repair shops but able to put wind and solar power.ideal..except for road surface and purchasing power.there is a market for an EV Jeep and 200km range at a decent price

 

[JohnDe]

Well I was there three years ago, it is an interesting place, it was more expensive to buy something with cash, than a credit card, so obviously they have a different set of parameters than most other countries.
I'm going back there next year, so I will let you know how it is progressing.

It seems that Norway are still having EV growing pains, which may be resolved by the time you get there.

"My story may sound a little grim, especially when one compares it to the seamless interoperable experience at any Tesla Supercharger in the world. Fortunately, there is hope for non-Tesla drivers in the form of ISO 15118, otherwise known as Plug and Charge, and it was much discussed at EVS35."​

Plug and Charge, the best medicine for EV charging headaches — in Norway and North America

EV Society’s Stephen Bieda took a spin around Norway in a rental EV while at EVS35. Turns out even the world’s leading country in EV adoption struggles with a fragmented public charging network, Bieda tells Electric Autonomy Canada
Norway is widely known as the global epicentre of electric vehicles and for good reason.

With the highest EV adoption rate (and 79 per cent of new car sales), the greatest number of EV brands available, a tremendous deployment of charging stations across the country (many of which are DC Fast chargers) and the largest EV owner’s association in the world with over 115,000 members, Norway feels like a home away from home for a Canadian EV driver.

From June 11 to 15, Oslo was the location for EVS35, the world’s largest electric vehicle conference. While there were many technologies and companies featured, charging infrastructure and the EV customer charging experience was the most prominent theme throughout the agenda.

Erik Lorentzen is the head of analysis and advisory services at the Norwegian EV Association. In a feature session during EVS35, Lorentzen explained that, based on responses from a member survey, the golden rules for EV-friendly charging are: build enough chargers; make sure stuff works; and the customer is always right.

In terms of user feedback, the top items on Norwegian EV drivers’ wish lists were to have credit card payment enabled for charging stations, easy-to-use EV network roaming solutions in place and transparent charging pricing information.

EV rental road trip
At home, I’m a Kia EV6 driver and so, while attending EVS35, I decided to rent an EV: the brand-new Ford Mustang Mach-E. But owning an EV and driving it in your native English-speaking country is a very different experience than renting an EV in Norway, I soon found out.

Five days and 450 km into my trip, I had downloaded nine parking and charging apps and my public charger success rate was less than 50 per cent.

Ironically, the Circle K site that I tried, owned by Canadian company Couche-Tard did not accept my Canadian credit card. The Mer Connect Sverige — a charger finding application and a charging network — required multiple attempts to setup as it didn’t like my French-based cell phone SIM card. EasyPark was far from easy due to language translation issues. The Recharge station at Kiwi Mini Pris was “out of order.” And Vipps required an 11-digit “identity number or d-number.” (I wasn’t sure what ID number was required, but I tried my Canadian driver’s licence. No surprise, it did not work.)

My story may sound a little grim, especially when one compares it to the seamless interoperable experience at any Tesla Supercharger in the world. Fortunately, there is hope for non-Tesla drivers in the form of ISO 15118, otherwise known as Plug and Charge, and it was much discussed at EVS35.

The key feature of Plug and Charge is that smartphones and related apps are replaced with IT certificates which communicate autonomously, seamlessly and securely between the car and the charging station, said Steffen Rhinow, the head of Plug and Charge at Hubject, maker of an e-roaming charging payment app, when I met him at Hubject’s EVS35 booth.

Plug and Charge eliminates the friction from EV charging by enabling a digital handshake between a Plug and Charge-capable vehicle and charger. Essentially, the charging process starts automatically without any input from the driver.

Right now, there are only a few models of EVs that are Plug and Charge ready. On the network side, while many charging network providers in the EU offer Plug and Charge, in Canada, only Electrify Canada has adopted it so far.

A bridge to Plug and Charge
Plug and Charge is in its infancy right now. But the Norwegian EV Association has developed an app to bridge the gap between my struggle and fully scaled Plug and Charge technology.

While (sadly) only available to member Norwegian drivers, the Association’s app extends charging network roaming services using an RFID tag. The RFID tag works at many of the popular charging networks. More networks will be added to make it truly great, but members seem to love it already.

For non-Norwegian EV rental customers, though, the charging experience in Norway has room for improvement. Plug and Charge will be a major step forward, but it could be some time before the industry gets there.

In the meantime, Canada should take a leaf out of Norway’s book and employ a similar interim solution like RFID tags while we wait for Plug and Charge technology to arrive en masse. With Canada being about 31 times bigger in size than Norway, having the freedom to easily and reliably travel across any area of the country with access to a robust and seamless charging network is a powerful tool for nationals and visiting EV drivers alike.

 

[mullokintyre]

@JohnDe and @mullokintyre do yourselves a favour and see the latest Top Gun movie in the cinema, Im not a big movie fan, but if you are into planes, it is un bloodi believable.

I never saw the original, so unlikely to see the latest one.
Stopped watching TV and movies years ago because I hate violence of any sort, real, staged or CGI.
Last film I saw was when I took kids to see Toy story 1.
Can see all the real flying skill I want flying formation with other pilots.
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

I don't know what all the other "progressive" states are doing, but Victoria has introduced an EV tax.
From RACV

The Victorian government’s road user charge for zero and low-emissions vehicles (ZLEV) was passed by parliament late last month. That means from July 1 this year, any Victorian who owns a ZLEV will be charged a fee to use the road. Here are 10 things you need to know about road user charging and what the new laws mean for Victorian owners of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles.

All motorists that drive petrol and diesel-powered cars – also known as internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles – pay the fuel excise, which is about 42 cents per litre. Much of the revenue the government collects from the fuel excise is used to pay for new roads, road maintenance and infrastructure.
Given EVs are battery powered and don’t require fuel, EV owners don’t pay the fuel excise. The government says it introduced the road user charge as a way for EV owners to pay their fair share for road maintenance and infrastructure.

How much will it cost?
Owners of battery electric (EV) and hydrogen fuel-cell electric vehicles (FCEV) will be charged 2.5 cents per kilometre driven, while plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV) will be charged 2.0 cents per kilometre.
According to Vicroads, light vehicles in Victoria travel an average of 13,100km per year. That means EV owners are looking at an annual charge of about $330 and PHEV owners will pay about $260.

Its a bit rich for the state government to complain about missing out on a tax that they don't even collect, seeing as the excise is a federal one.
I guess then at least the road tax on EV's will be signifcantly lower than the Excise on diesel, petrol or gas.

What will the road user charge revenue be used for?
The Victorian government says the money raised from the charge will be used to help fund a $100 million package of policies and programs designed to encourage the uptake of ZLEVs.
The proposed package includes funds for subsidies for purchasing an electric vehicle, increasing electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the state, an electric public bus trial, a study looking at EV readiness of new buildings, and more.

Yeah right. It will go into consolidated revenue and we will still be left with **** roads and the state government bleating about not getting their fair share of federal funding for major roads programs. And of course, as RV's get more and more numerous, the amount goes up, the requirements for studies will be gone, so the coffers will get filled.

How do you pay the road user charge?
The charge will be payable through Vicroads. ZLEV owners will need to provide Vicroads with their odometer readings to determine the charge, and it will be payable quarterly, half-yearly or annually. Vicroads says it will contact owners with more information on how to report odometer readings and the billing and payment process.

And who is going to check these readings?
Will we have Vicpol pulling over cars and checking the readings of the odometer?

According to the Department of Transport, motorists driving a ZLEV that is registered in Victoria are required to pay the road user charge for all kilometres travelled within Victoria and interstate.

There will be no road user charges for travel off-road (such as on private property farm tracks), but drivers must provide evidence of off-road use.

They don't say what level of proof is required. Especially for some ag vehicles that have an hour meter rather than an odometer.
I can see border residents registering their EV's in cross border jurisdictions to evade it.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

It looks as though the battery supply issue is starting to bite.

Musk says Tesla's new car factories 'losing billions of dollars'

Tesla's new car factories in Texas and Berlin are "losing billions of dollars" as they struggle to increase production because of a shortage of batteries and China port issues, CEO Elon Musk said.

www.reuters.com

From the article:
SAN FRANCISCO, June 22 (Reuters) - Tesla Inc's (TSLA.O) new car factories in Texas and Berlin are "losing billions of dollars" as they struggle to increase production because of a shortage of batteries and China port issues, Chief Executive Elon Musk said in an interview published on Wednesday.

"Both Berlin and Austin factories are gigantic money furnaces right now. Okay? It's really like a giant roaring sound, which is the sound of money on fire," Musk said in an interview with Tesla Owners of Silicon Valley, an official Tesla-recognized club, in Austin, Texas, on May 31.
Musk said Tesla's Texas factory produces a "tiny" number of cars because of challenges in boosting production of its new "4680" batteries and as tools to make its conventional 2170 batteries are "stuck in port in China." read more "This is all going to get fixed real fast, but it requires a lot of attention," he said.
He said its Berlin factory is in a "slightly better position" because it started with using the traditional 2170 batteries for cars built there.
He said the COVID-19-related shutdowns in Shanghai "were very, very difficult." The shutdown affected car production not only at Tesla's Shanghai factory, but also at its California plant, which uses some vehicle parts made in China, he said. read more

Tesla plans to suspend most production at its Shanghai plant in the first two weeks of July to work on an upgrade of the site to boost output, according to an internal memo seen by Reuters.

 

[JohnDe]

BYD ATO 3 still doesn't have approval for the ANCAP 5 star crash rating. Sounds like a good reason for customers to ask for a discount.

While the vehicle is expected to pass routine regulatory safety requirements before it can go on sale locally, it is yet to be assessed by the independent safety authority ANCAP (Australasian New Car Assessment Program), which sets a higher safety bar.​

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Representatives for BYD in Australia say the BYD Atto 3 will launch locally with a five-star safety score.​

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However, it may initially go on sale "un-rated" until ANCAP completes a series of crash tests and collision-avoidance assessments.​

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Some car companies complete ANCAP crash tests before a newly introduced vehicle arrives in local showrooms, so they can advertise a five-star score from day one.​

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And some car companies wait several months after a newly-introduced car has gone on sale locally – due to production or development delays – before a vehicle is submitted to ANCAP tests and issued with a star rating.​

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BYD Atto 3 yet to be crash-tested despite five-star safety claim

The next Chinese car brand to launch in Australia says it will arrive this year with a new model and the promise of a five-star safety rating. However,

www.drive.com.au

 

[wayneL]

 

[Value Collector]

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Shows the versatility of Ev’s doesn’t it, much better than a standard ICE vehicle, because that Tesla can run on both Diesel, Unleaded and also coal, crude oil, natural gas, solar, Wind, Hydro, Nuclear, Bio mass, Land fill methane and many others. ?

Such flexibility in fuel source is going to be increasingly attractive. As we speak we have a beautiful sunny day in Qld and my car is charging directly from my solar panels replacing the 35% of my battery a used last night ? energy independence has long been a dream for people, and It’s finally possible, in fact even though I am charging my car and doing a load of washing, I am still exporting electricity to the grid and earning some tax free $$$.

 

[wayneL]

Shows the versatility of Ev’s doesn’t it, much better than a standard ICE vehicle, because that Tesla can run on both Diesel, Unleaded and also coal, crude oil, natural gas, solar, Wind, Hydro, Nuclear, Bio mass, Land fill methane and many others. ?

Such flexibility in fuel source is going to be increasingly attractive. As we speak we have a beautiful sunny day in Qld and my car is charging directly from my solar panels replacing the 35% of my battery a used last night ? energy independence has long been a dream for people, and It’s finally possible, in fact even though I am charging my car and doing a load of washing, I am still exporting electricity to the grid and earning some tax free $$$.

Can't argue that one

The vid I put up in the energy thread talks a bit about that

 

[qldfrog]

Can't argue that one

The vid I put up in the energy thread talks a bit about that

As i get more technically involved in the EV area, i can not help seing the analogy between EV and Europe energy crisis.
If China takes over Taiwan, Tesla goes bankrupt, EV from Europe have no batteries,and my MG or BYD EV order will be blocked by our governments
How to shoot oneself in the foot.and fxxk oneself all in one go..
Replacing oil dependence by Chinese interest..what can go wrong..do you prefer "persuading" BJ or Venezuela/Koweït ?

 

[bk1]

I see a future for electric....
Now we are talking.
We shall see in 2024, allegedly....

 

[JohnDe]

I see a future for electric....
Now we are talking.
We shall see in 2024, allegedly....

Agreed, unless someone comes up with a non-polluting petrol/diesels alternative that is dirt cheap to produce, sell, and can distribute huge quantities across the globe in less than 5 years. I strongly doubt that any such fuel is coming.

The headline grabbers will learn that soon enough, read more than one article before jumping.

Musk said supply chain disruptions have been interfering with the company's ability to ramp production up at the two new facilities. But while that interview was just released Wednesday, the comments were made several weeks ago. Tesla hasn't changed its guidance target for producing 1.5 million vehicles this year, and investors looking past the headlines probably helped the stock bounce back from its initial drop on Thursday.

 

[sptrawler]

The EV charging trials, that have been going on over the last year or two, are starting to get useful data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06...ic-car-increase-demand-origin-arena/101156686
From the article:
Electric cars could increase demand on the power grid during the evening peak by at least 30 per cent unless households adopt smart charging, a new trial shows.
"At the moment our electricity grid is not coping at all," she said.

"If we were to add another 30 per cent of peak load to the grid during those periods of high prices and constraints on the network, this would require significant investment to increase capacity."

To manage the looming threat, Origin and ARENA have been trialling "smart charging", with results published yesterday.

Smart chargers, costing between $2,000 and $3,000, were installed in homes of 150 EV users and baseline data was captured.
It found that without intervention, 30 per cent of charging was done in the evening peak, between 3pm and 9pm.
Trial one saw participants given a 10-cent-per-kilowatt-hour credit on their electricity bill for charging off-peak.

That reward reduced charging in the evening peak to 10 per cent, or a 67 per cent decrease from the baseline.

Trial two saw Origin take the reins of charging times to limit it to mostly off-peak through a "plug-in and forget" method.

They could even nimbly respond to "critical peak events", as seen early last week, to switch off any charging.

This method reduced the evening peak usage to only 6 per cent, or an 80 per cent decrease from the baseline.
Despite the incentives leading to significant behavioural change, EV drivers still charged in the evening peak between 6 and 10 per cent of the time.

"If that 6 per cent is all located in one network patch, then that will have a magnified impact on that local substation or the local connection," Mrs Le said.
Mrs Le said the third part of the trial, which is ongoing, would see Origin work with power distributors (Citipower, Powercor and United Energy) to understand if the grid would need to be upgraded to meet the baseline usage seen in the trials, once mass adoption of EVs takes place.
Mrs Le pointed to research that showed that if EVs made up 80 per cent of new car sales by 2030, and all were plugged in the evening peak, the instantaneous load would double peak electricity demand.
The final paper of the trials is due in December, but Mrs Le said early results demonstrated that financial rewards worked to get drivers to charge off-peak.

 

[qldfrog]

The EV charging trials, that have been going on over the last year or two, are starting to get useful data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06...ic-car-increase-demand-origin-arena/101156686
From the article:
Electric cars could increase demand on the power grid during the evening peak by at least 30 per cent unless households adopt smart charging, a new trial shows.
"At the moment our electricity grid is not coping at all," she said.

"If we were to add another 30 per cent of peak load to the grid during those periods of high prices and constraints on the network, this would require significant investment to increase capacity."

To manage the looming threat, Origin and ARENA have been trialling "smart charging", with results published yesterday.

Smart chargers, costing between $2,000 and $3,000, were installed in homes of 150 EV users and baseline data was captured.
It found that without intervention, 30 per cent of charging was done in the evening peak, between 3pm and 9pm.
Trial one saw participants given a 10-cent-per-kilowatt-hour credit on their electricity bill for charging off-peak.

That reward reduced charging in the evening peak to 10 per cent, or a 67 per cent decrease from the baseline.

Trial two saw Origin take the reins of charging times to limit it to mostly off-peak through a "plug-in and forget" method.

They could even nimbly respond to "critical peak events", as seen early last week, to switch off any charging.

This method reduced the evening peak usage to only 6 per cent, or an 80 per cent decrease from the baseline.
Despite the incentives leading to significant behavioural change, EV drivers still charged in the evening peak between 6 and 10 per cent of the time.

"If that 6 per cent is all located in one network patch, then that will have a magnified impact on that local substation or the local connection," Mrs Le said.
Mrs Le said the third part of the trial, which is ongoing, would see Origin work with power distributors (Citipower, Powercor and United Energy) to understand if the grid would need to be upgraded to meet the baseline usage seen in the trials, once mass adoption of EVs takes place.
Mrs Le pointed to research that showed that if EVs made up 80 per cent of new car sales by 2030, and all were plugged in the evening peak, the instantaneous load would double peak electricity demand.
The final paper of the trials is due in December, but Mrs Le said early results demonstrated that financial rewards worked to get drivers to charge off-peak.

And obviously,if you need to go for a long trip tomorrow morning,you can not wait past the peak to charge and need that 7h full charge...more or less the standard full charge from empty .
So it should not be acceptable to be forced off without overriding option.

 

[sptrawler]

And obviously,if you need to go for a long trip tomorrow morning,you can not wait past the peak to charge and need that 7h full charge...more or less the standard full charge from empty .
So it should not be acceptable to be forced off without overriding option.

What may happen to cover that scenario, may be you will have to go to a paid charge point e.g a fuel station that has E.V charging. They may be required to have generator backup, there is one thing for sure, certain areas will face the issue, as weaknesses in the LV(low voltage) distribution system are highlighted by the increased demand.
They wont all be able to be sorted at once, so a stop gap fix will be required, it will all depend on how fast the uptake of EV's is and how concentrated the uptake is.
These issues are what a lot of people don't understand, not only are we trying to replace the power stations at the front end of the H.V(high voltage) system, we are also changing the demand and strain on the LV side of the system, the issues can't be fixed with a magic wand.
IMO it will take a lot of manhours and money before this is bedded down.

 

[qldfrog]

Byd atto 2/dolphin

 

[JohnDe]

The EV charging trials, that have been going on over the last year or two, are starting to get useful data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06...ic-car-increase-demand-origin-arena/101156686
From the article:
Electric cars could increase demand on the power grid during the evening peak by at least 30 per cent unless households adopt smart charging, a new trial shows.
"At the moment our electricity grid is not coping at all," she said.

"If we were to add another 30 per cent of peak load to the grid during those periods of high prices and constraints on the network, this would require significant investment to increase capacity."

To manage the looming threat, Origin and ARENA have been trialling "smart charging", with results published yesterday.

Smart chargers, costing between $2,000 and $3,000, were installed in homes of 150 EV users and baseline data was captured.
It found that without intervention, 30 per cent of charging was done in the evening peak, between 3pm and 9pm.
Trial one saw participants given a 10-cent-per-kilowatt-hour credit on their electricity bill for charging off-peak.

That reward reduced charging in the evening peak to 10 per cent, or a 67 per cent decrease from the baseline.

Trial two saw Origin take the reins of charging times to limit it to mostly off-peak through a "plug-in and forget" method.

They could even nimbly respond to "critical peak events", as seen early last week, to switch off any charging.

This method reduced the evening peak usage to only 6 per cent, or an 80 per cent decrease from the baseline.
Despite the incentives leading to significant behavioural change, EV drivers still charged in the evening peak between 6 and 10 per cent of the time.

"If that 6 per cent is all located in one network patch, then that will have a magnified impact on that local substation or the local connection," Mrs Le said.
Mrs Le said the third part of the trial, which is ongoing, would see Origin work with power distributors (Citipower, Powercor and United Energy) to understand if the grid would need to be upgraded to meet the baseline usage seen in the trials, once mass adoption of EVs takes place.
Mrs Le pointed to research that showed that if EVs made up 80 per cent of new car sales by 2030, and all were plugged in the evening peak, the instantaneous load would double peak electricity demand.
The final paper of the trials is due in December, but Mrs Le said early results demonstrated that financial rewards worked to get drivers to charge off-peak.

I almost signed up for one of those trials, it was through AGL. They offered me a free EV charging system and free installation, but my solar feed-in tariff rate would have dropped to $0.05. I wasn't happy with that, since I have one of the highest because I was an early adopter.

The free system was a nice incentive but having the Tesla charge overnight with the supplied adapter has not been a problem. Yes it takes longer than the system that they would have supplied, however, that is not a problem because I plug in 3 or 4 times a week.

Charging an EV using the home 10A plug is similar to having a fridge or freezer on. Whereas a fast charger is similar to a large ducted reverse cycle air conditioner.

I set up the Tesla to charge between about 10pm to 6 am.

My next purchase will be the Tesla home battery system. It is independent of the grid, so no black outs, charges from the solar and tops up from the grid if required and off peak, if things get dire it can use the power from the EV. I'm looking forward to when supply catches up to demand.

 

[Value Collector]

The EV charging trials, that have been going on over the last year or two, are starting to get useful data.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06...ic-car-increase-demand-origin-arena/101156686
From the article:
Electric cars could increase demand on the power grid during the evening peak by at least 30 per cent unless households adopt smart charging, a new trial shows.
"At the moment our electricity grid is not coping at all," she said.

"If we were to add another 30 per cent of peak load to the grid during those periods of high prices and constraints on the network, this would require significant investment to increase capacity."

To manage the looming threat, Origin and ARENA have been trialling "smart charging", with results published yesterday.

Smart chargers, costing between $2,000 and $3,000, were installed in homes of 150 EV users and baseline data was captured.
It found that without intervention, 30 per cent of charging was done in the evening peak, between 3pm and 9pm.
Trial one saw participants given a 10-cent-per-kilowatt-hour credit on their electricity bill for charging off-peak.

That reward reduced charging in the evening peak to 10 per cent, or a 67 per cent decrease from the baseline.

Trial two saw Origin take the reins of charging times to limit it to mostly off-peak through a "plug-in and forget" method.

They could even nimbly respond to "critical peak events", as seen early last week, to switch off any charging.

This method reduced the evening peak usage to only 6 per cent, or an 80 per cent decrease from the baseline.
Despite the incentives leading to significant behavioural change, EV drivers still charged in the evening peak between 6 and 10 per cent of the time.

"If that 6 per cent is all located in one network patch, then that will have a magnified impact on that local substation or the local connection," Mrs Le said.
Mrs Le said the third part of the trial, which is ongoing, would see Origin work with power distributors (Citipower, Powercor and United Energy) to understand if the grid would need to be upgraded to meet the baseline usage seen in the trials, once mass adoption of EVs takes place.
Mrs Le pointed to research that showed that if EVs made up 80 per cent of new car sales by 2030, and all were plugged in the evening peak, the instantaneous load would double peak electricity demand.
The final paper of the trials is due in December, but Mrs Le said early results demonstrated that financial rewards worked to get drivers to charge off-peak.

Smart chargers are obviously a great idea, however I think even just communicating with EV owners and asking them to set their cars to charge at midnight would be a good start.

In the 3 years I have owned my car the power company has never contacted me or send an communication at all informing me about the need to charge my car during lower demand times, So the majority of Ev owners probably don’t even know it’s a problem.

Of course I understand it due to my own research and discussions here, but the average Joe wouldn’t.

Also, smart chargers controlled by the power company are going to be a great asset allowing the power company to time charging with periods of rock bottom power pricing, so I think it shouldn’t be 100% the cost of the ev owner, either the chargers should be subsidised by the power company, or the low rates past along to those people that invest in smart chargers.

 

[Value Collector]

I almost signed up for one of those trials, it was through AGL. They offered me a free EV charging system and free installation, but my solar feed-in tariff rate would have dropped to $0.05. I wasn't happy with that, since I have one of the highest because I was an early adopter.

The free system was a nice incentive but having the Tesla charge overnight with the supplied adapter has not been a problem. Yes it takes longer than the system that they would have supplied, however, that is not a problem because I plug in 3 or 4 times a week.

Charging an EV using the home 10A plug is similar to having a fridge or freezer on. Whereas a fast charger is similar to a large ducted reverse cycle air conditioner.

I set up the Tesla to charge between about 10pm to 6 am.

My next purchase will be the Tesla home battery system. It is independent of the grid, so no black outs, charges from the solar and tops up from the grid if required and off peak, if things get dire it can use the power from the EV. I'm looking forward to when supply catches up to demand.

The 10amp charger is more like running a heater or boiling a kettle than it is running a fridge.

It pulls about 2000 watts/H where as a fridge uses about, 50watts so charging the Tesla is like running 40 fridges.