Electric cars?

[Value Collector]

Telsa model Y is now available for order in Australia.

This is the one that Mrs VC wants to replace the Model 3 with eventually, it’s built on the same base as the model 3 but has a much bigger boot among other improvements that give it more space and storage.

 

[basilio]

This is how North Carolina Republicans intend to (not) progress electric cars.
You have to read the article. Something else..
I wonder what they would do if electric charging cost was amended to a dime per charge ?

This US state’s radical anti-electric car proposal to ban free EV charging​

North Carolina is facing a House Bill that will effectively spell the end of free public electric car charging.

This US state's radical anti-electric car proposal to ban free EV charging

North Carolina is facing a House Bill that will effectively spell the end of free public electric car charging

www.drive.com.au

 

[Value Collector]

This is how North Carolina Republicans intend to (not) progress electric cars.
You have to read the article. Something else..
I wonder what they would do if electric charging cost was amended to a dime per charge ?

This US state’s radical anti-electric car proposal to ban free EV charging​

North Carolina is facing a House Bill that will effectively spell the end of free public electric car charging.

This US state's radical anti-electric car proposal to ban free EV charging

North Carolina is facing a House Bill that will effectively spell the end of free public electric car charging

www.drive.com.au

That’s the dumbest thing I have heard, but what should we expect from a state that has already brought in an annual EV tax that means every EV owner has to pay a set amount each year regardless of how much they drive which is equivalent to the fuel tax that a hybrid petrol car owner would spend if they drove 67,000 km per year.

 

[basilio]

That’s the dumbest thing I have heard, but what should we expect from a state that has already brought in an annual EV tax that means every EV owner has to pay a set amount each year regardless of how much they drive which is equivalent to the fuel tax that a hybrid petrol car owner would spend if they drove 67,000 km per year.

FMD!! That is beyond reason.. Do you have a link for that story please ?

 

[JohnDe]

Our governments should take a page out of the proposed US National EV Charging Network, instead of just throwing tax cuts for well funded people to buy EVs -

FACT SHEET: Biden-⁠Harris Administration Proposes New Standards for National Electric Vehicle Charging Network​

JUNE 09, 2022STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Investments to Enable Families to Plug-In, Charge Up, and Drive Across America
Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is announcing new steps to meet President Biden’s goal to build out the first-ever national network of 500,000 electric vehicle chargers along America’s highways and in communities, a key piece of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
The Department of Transportation, in partnership with the Department of Energy, is proposing new standards to make charging electric vehicles (EVs) a convenient, reliable, and affordable for all Americans, including when driving long distances. Without strong standards, chargers would be less reliable, may not work for all cars, or lack common payment methods. The new standards will ensure everyone can use the network –no matter what car you drive or which state you charge in.
The proposed standards, along with new coordinated federal actions on EVs, support President’s Biden’s priorities to lower costs for families, create good-paying jobs, and combat climate change. He is pressing Congress on his plan to provide tax credits that make EVs more affordable, so families’ budgets aren’t hurt by volatile gas prices. The actions will spur good-paying jobs with strong workforce requirements for America’s steelworkers, electrical workers, and laborers to build, install, and maintain the network. And, making chargers and EVs more accessible will help tackle the climate crisis – reducing emissions, increasing cleaner air, and advancing the President’s Justice40 Initiative.
Thanks to President Biden’s bold vision, leadership, and actions EV sales have doubled since he took office, and there are now more than two million EVs and 100,000 chargers on the road. The Biden Administration has positioned the United States to lead the electric future and make it in America:

• Secured historic investments in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law – $7.5 billion for EV charging infrastructure and more than $7 billion for the critical minerals supply chains necessary for batteries, components, materials, and recycling.
• United automakers and autoworkers around an ambitious target for 50% of new vehicles sold in 2030 to be electric.
• Triggered a string of investment commitments of over $100 billion from private companies to make more EVs and their parts in America, create jobs for our autoworkers, and strengthen our domestic supply chains.
• Activated the purchasing power of the federal government to procure 100% zero-emission light-duty vehicles by 2027 and all vehicles by 2035.
• Finalized the strongest passenger vehicle emissions and fuel economy standards in history.

Historic Infrastructure Investments in Charging
The $7.5 billion for EV charging infrastructure in President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law will build a convenient and equitable charging network through two programs. The National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program will provide $5 billion in formula funding to States to build out charging infrastructure along highway corridors – filling gaps in rural, disadvantaged, and hard-to-reach locations while instilling public confidence in charging. Today’s minimum standards and requirements will guide States on how to spend federal funds in a way that makes chargers function the same from state-to-state, easy to find, use, and pay for, no matter who operates chargers. The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law also provides $2.5 billion in competitive grants to support community and corridor charging, improve local air quality, and increase EV charging access in underserved and overburdened communities. DOT will open applications for this program later this year.
These federal charging programs were designed to catalyze additional private sector investments that complement the build-out of a user-friendly, cost-saving, and financially sustainable national EV charging network. Together, President Biden’s leadership is mobilizing public and private charging investment to accelerate the adoption of EVs and create good-paying jobs across manufacturing, installation, and operation. These chargers will also make sure the new renewable electricity sources like solar and wind can power the cars we drive and reduce energy costs for families.
Setting the Standard
The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law also established a Joint Office of Energy and Transportation to work hand-in-hand with States, industry leaders, manufacturers, and other stakeholders to meet the President’s goals. And to ensure that this electric transformation is both timely and equitable, Vice President Harris launched an EV Charging Action Plan that fast tracks federal investments and targets equity benefits for disadvantaged communities – and the Department of Transportation released a Rural EV toolkit to help ensure all Americans, regardless of where they live, have the opportunity to benefit from the lower operating costs, reduced maintenance needs, and improved performance that EVs provide. These investments, steered by the standards proposed today, will create a public charging system that meets our goals of being reliable, affordable, equitable and seamless between states and networks. They will also use workforce standards such as the Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Training Program (EVITP) to increase the safety and reliability of charging station’s functionality and usability – creating and supporting good-paying, highly-skilled union jobs in communities across the country.
Additional Steps to Drive Progress
Today, as part of an Administration-wide strategy, the Biden-Harris Administration is announcing a fleet of actions from nine federal agencies across the charging ecosystem to complement the NEVI program – creating good-paying jobs in the U.S., reducing emissions, and putting us on a path to net-zero emissions by 2050.

• The Joint Office of Energy and Transportation announced the formation of a new Federal Advisory Committee called the EV Working Group that will be a key advisory body to “make recommendations regarding the development, adoption, and integration of light-, medium-, and heavy-duty electric vehicles into the transportation and energy systems of the United States,” including on infrastructure topics. The 25 members will be selected in the coming months. The joint office also announced a partnership to support EV charging with the American Public Power Association, Edison Electric Institute, and National Rural Electric Cooperative Association to inform electric system investments and support state planning.
• The Department of Energy announced $45 million through its “EVs4ALL” program to develop very fast charging batteries to complement the rollout of the public charging network. They are also preparing multiple funding topics for projects that offer EV charging solutions for drivers who lack access to home charging or who live in underserved communities. DOE’s Vehicle Technologies Office anticipates up to $30M in funding opportunities to support clean energy mobility pilots and demonstration in underserved and rural areas. The opportunity will seek projects to deploy EV charging solutions for drivers with no home charging and projects that will engage underserved communities to develop community-driven EV charging plans and install EV chargers in locations that maximize benefits to underserved communities.
• The Department of Agriculturedeveloped an EV charging resource guide and funding eligibility infographic for rural property owners, states and territories, Tribes, municipalities, cooperatives, and non- and for-profit entities to assist those looking to make the transition to electric. They also developed a climate smart schools guide that includes information on funding for charging for rural school districts. In addition, USDA signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Department of Energy to address EV supply equipment and related charging infrastructure.
• The General Services Administrationcreated Blanket Purchase Agreementsfor federal agencies and other eligible users to seamlessly acquire an array of EV chargers and services at federally owned, managed, and occupied facilities. They also published a ‘Guide to Building Owners’ that details the relationship between EV charging and building electricity loads – ensuring that buildings are equipped to handle new charging infrastructure, and optimize existing chargers. Through their Green Proving Ground program, GSA is working closely with the Department of Energy to install and pilot EV charging innovations, including managed and bidirectional charging, at selected GSA facilities and to accelerate market acceptance. In addition, GSA’s Public Buildings Service established an Interagency Agreement with the Department of Veterans Affairs to install EV charging stations at approximately 60 Veterans Affairs locations at a value greater than $40 million.
• The National Park Service established an interdisciplinary EV Working Group that is developing a national strategy for electrifying their government fleets, public-serving transit fleets, and public-use charging infrastructure. They are in the process of transitioning Zion National Park’s transit fleet to battery-electric buses with $33 million in funding from the Department of Transportation’s Nationally Significant Federal Lands and Tribal Projects program – with plans to pursue the same program to electrify transit at Grand Canyon National Park next year. In addition, NPS is working with State DOTs to fill charging gaps in corridors and routes that serve as gateways to national parks.
• The Department of Housing and Urban Development has continued to support the inclusion of EV charging infrastructure as part of its green building standards through several of its housing financing programs. In addition, they are exploring the installation of EV chargers in multi-family rental housing as part of their Green Mortgage Insurance Premium incentive – lowering annual premiums for participants.
• The Environmental Protection Agencycreated a Clean School Bus Program through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law to replace the nation’s fleet of dirty diesel buses, with clean, American-made, zero-emission buses. EPA released $500 million in the first round of funding for this $5 billion program, and schools can use portions of this funding to build-out needed EV charging infrastructure for these new, clean school buses. In addition, there are now 300 different Level 2 EV charger products available under the EPA’s ENERGY STAR program.
• The Department of Defense launched a pilot project to install 20 Level 2 EV chargers for government fleet vehicles at the Pentagon along with a planning study for future additional installations. The Senior Pentagon Climate Working Group also created a sub-working group focused solely on removing barriers to installing EV charging infrastructure that supports the Department’s zero-emission vehicle acquisition goals.
• The Department of Commerce is supporting the build-out of the domestic EV charging supply chain and promoting foreign direct investment in American EV charging and supply equipment manufacturing. At the end of June, they will host the 2022 SelectUSA Investment Summit – the highest-profile event promoting foreign direct investment in the U.S. – where they will highlight investment opportunities in EV charging catalyzed by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. In addition, DOC’s Hollings Manufacturing Extension Partnership provides hands on assistance to manufactures across 51 centers, in every state and Puerto Rico, to address unmet needs in the EV charging supply chain and help traditional automotive suppliers diversify their customer base and enter into the EV charging market.

 

[Value Collector]

FMD!! That is beyond reason.. Do you have a link for that story please ?

Here is a link with the breakdown of all the states in the USA that charge additional fees for EV’s

In the USA petrol users pay 4.8 cents per Litre (18cents per gallon), in North Carolina the charge Ev’s an additional EV tax of $140 / year which doesn’t sound that much until you realise that to generate that revenue from the petrol tax at 4.8 cents a Litre a Hybrid using a little under 4L / 100 km needs to drive over 60,000 km.

https://www.myev.com/research/inter...rge-extra-fees-to-own-an-electric-vehicle/amp

 

[qldfrog]

I talked to a number of PHEv owners here in the sticks, and the general consensus was that the ICE was running 90% of the time.
On the freeway at 110 they tended to run out of Ev power very quickly and the iCE came on and stayed on.
Fine for short trips at 60 l around town, but not for sustained regional driving.
Mick

Basically, ute can not be replaced but for the daily run to the post office, cafe and occasional shopping, a 50km or 60km pure ev range is plenty and that would be the purpose.but true considering the price difference, why not going fulll bbq starter?.
I just hate producing power and giving away for basically free..and as i still plan to move soon, not ready to go full off grid with battery..so a PI hybrid or pure EV is a half way which can move with us....
But not at Tesla price.i never bought a beemer to be a gold wearing white shirt wxxxer, so no interest to be a green woke one either?

 

[mullokintyre]

My wife and I were in WA for a few weeks recently, and hired an MG to travel around the south west.
Had originally booked a Subaru Forester but got a brand new MG instead.
Neither of us were very impressed.
The headlights were terrible - the fancy overhang they have at the front created a black spot either side of the beam.
The cruise control surged something chronic, and the auto gearbox was never quite sure when to change from 1st to second after takeoff resulting in a sort of hesitation around 20k an hour.
The cruise control stalk is placed underneath the steering wheel binacle such that you cannot see it when driving, it has to be operated by feel. Not great on the ergonomics.
The USB charging ports worked intermittently even after we went and bought a new cable thinking ours was faulty.
The good part, the seats were comfortable, and the climate control worked well.
I would not be looking at an MG based on that trial.
Mick

 

[qldfrog]

My wife and I were in WA for a few weeks recently, and hired an MG to travel around the south west.
Had originally booked a Subaru Forester but got a brand new MG instead.
Neither of us were very impressed.
The headlights were terrible - the fancy overhang they have at the front created a black spot either side of the beam.
The cruise control surged something chronic, and the auto gearbox was never quite sure when to change from 1st to second after takeoff resulting in a sort of hesitation around 20k an hour.
The cruise control stalk is placed underneath the steering wheel binacle such that you cannot see it when driving, it has to be operated by feel. Not great on the ergonomics.
The USB charging ports worked intermittently even after we went and bought a new cable thinking ours was faulty.
The good part, the seats were comfortable, and the climate control worked well.
I would not be looking at an MG based on that trial.
Mick

Thanks,will make sure i test drive before buying

 

[JohnDe]

Not exactly E.V but along the mobile electric pathway, the EU has legislated that all mobile phones must have the same charger, hooray.
I wonder if the enlightenment will flow through to E.V's?

An iPhone without Lightning is inevitable, but Apple’s stalling for time

Apple may be forced to ditch the iPhone’s proprietary Lightning port in the coming years thanks to incoming EU laws.

www.smh.com.au

Apple may be forced to ditch the iPhone’s proprietary Lightning port in the coming years, as European lawmakers have reached a deal on legislation that would oblige all portable tech to use USB-C for wired charging. But while Apple has pushed back against the proposed laws, the regulatory push shouldn’t be a surprise for the iPhone-maker.
The European Union has been campaigning for a common charging connector for more than a decade, finally announcing its intention to legislate in September last year. And for almost as long, Apple has been using its Lightning port, which it introduced for the iPhone 5 in 2012.

"Can Eurocrats be blamed for craving a bit of the spotlight their national counterparts enjoy? The phone-charger rule provoked more headlines than decades of sensible proposals on regulating chemicals or life insurance ever have, and for which Brussels deserves more credit than it gets. Mandating how phones are juiced is a case of the eu getting closer to the daily concerns of citizens—but also further from where it can be most useful."​

Tough luck for iPhone users as Europe imposes a standard phone charger​

Love it or loathe it, the measure will bring attention to the EU​

What has the European Union ever done for us? Well, the single market is jolly useful, as anyone running a business can attest. Structural funds have financed roads, electricity grids and whatnot in poorer bits of the continent. Rather urgent plans to achieve net zero carbon emissions within a generation have been hashed out at eu level, lest anyone forget. You can cross most of its borders without a passport, too, though people take them on holiday anyway. Not to mention antitrust rules devised then enforced in Brussels to prevent big firms from bilking consumers. Oh and there is peace, at least within the bloc.

Charlemagne could go on. The problem is, few Europeans know about much of this, or give the eu credit for it. Most of what affects their daily lives—education, tax rates, housing benefits, fixing potholes—is decided by national governments or local ones. Beyond the odd summit of leaders discussing the fate of the world (or at least the euro) much of what happens in Brussels is noted primarily by policy wonks. Only occasionally does the great hulking regulatory machine there, including a 32,000-strong European Commission and 705 meps, find a way of doing something that will be both noticed by citizens and for which the eu can claim credit. One such example was agreed on June 7th: by 2024 makers of devices including smartphones and cameras will have to switch to a single type of charger mandated by Brussels.

European plans for a common plug for electronics are nearly as old as the gizmos themselves. The idea was already floating around in 2006, before the iPhone came to market. Since then every nerd from Lisbon to Helsinki has squirreled away a box full of tangled wire, kept just in case a 12-year-old Nokia brick might need to be revived. The avoidance of such electronic waste is one putative motive for imposing a common charger. The model selected is known as usb-c, an industry standard which most manufacturers already use. The big exception is Apple, which has stuck to its own system. It will either have to make Europe-only gadgets with a usb slot (which many Apple tablets and laptops already feature) or switch over all its iPhones globally to suit the edict.

This electronic-waste line of reasoning is itself as antiquated as a flip-phone. Handset chargers used to be fist-sized bundles of metal; now they are mere cables that connect to interchangeable plug slots. Most people already have plenty of them. A mooted cut of 1,000 tonnes of binned electronics avoided per year sounds impressive, but represents about 0.002% of the global figure. Another justification put forward is the carbon footprint of chargers. Taken together, all those produced for Europeans every year will generate life-cycle emissions of around 900,000 tonnes of CO2 equivalent. Yet that is less than is spewed by a single Boeing jet. Expected consumer savings of €250m ($267m) a year mean each eu citizen can look forward to a bonanza of roughly €1 every two years, not much of a dent in the cost-of-living squeeze.

The final argument is one of convenience, for firms and consumers alike. Politicians used to hesitate before telling companies and people what was good for them, even in Europe. But the eu is in a dirigiste mood these days (the official leading the charge on chargers, Thierry Breton, is the French internal-market commissioner). Companies stand accused of having failed to gauge the impact of their actions: all that outsourcing to China, say, might prove one day to be as harmful as dependence on Russian gas is today. Public money is pouring into investments, from microchips to semiconductors, which the private sector is apparently too short-sighted to back without subsidy. Spelling out to companies that designed the phones (and chargers that keep them lit) how best to do that fits that politicians-know-best mould. Needling American tech behemoths is an added bonus.

The downside of regulation seems to have been ignored. Standardising chargers might make sense if they have reached the end-state of their development, like electric plugs. But have they? Phone cables have evolved markedly within recent memory, for example when it comes to downloading data as well as juice. Now what innovation might come will have to be agreed by a technical committee that signs off on the usb standard. Apple has taken out patents on a plug-in charger that would improve the water-resistance of its devices: it may as well bin them now, at least in Europe. A similar one-size-fits-all approach will in time be applied to wireless charging, the next big thing in keeping your smartphone alive beyond 3pm. Whoever invents the best system will have to convince officialdom, not consumers, that it is indeed better.

Battery low: connect your device​

The balance between innovation and purported convenience is incidental here. What matters is that however people feel about the move, they are at least bound to notice it. In so far as Europeans hear about what Brussels has done for them, it is mostly when they cross borders. The capping of mobile-phone roaming charges agreed over a decade ago is still brought up as one of the bloc’s signature achievements (and a painful drawback for Brits as they get clobbered with enormous bills for streaming Netflix to while away the hours spent in non-euqueues at Tenerife airport). Like passport-free travel or Erasmus university exchanges, this only affects people who travel. But an eu survey commissioned to justify the end of roaming charges found that most Europeans seldom did, and over a third had never left their own country. In contrast just about everyone has an electronic device these days.

Can Eurocrats be blamed for craving a bit of the spotlight their national counterparts enjoy? The phone-charger rule provoked more headlines than decades of sensible proposals on regulating chemicals or life insurance ever have, and for which Brussels deserves more credit than it gets. Mandating how phones are juiced is a case of the eu getting closer to the daily concerns of citizens—but also further from where it can be most useful. ■

 

[sptrawler]

Hyundai going autonomous driving in one of Seoul's busiest districts.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/hyundai-goes-autonomous-gangnam-style

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like Victoria is picking up the pace with E.V infrastructure roll out, hopefully W.A follows the elad.

Sparkies to upskill ahead of the decade of electric vehicles

Five hundred electricians will take part in a new free pilot program to install and fix charging stations for electric vehicles.

www.theage.com.au

From the article:
Demand on public charging stations is increasing, with the number of EVs on Victorian roads tripling over just three years. Data from the state government released in March shows there were 10,311 registered electric vehicles in Victoria in June 2021, up from 3398 vehicles in June 2018.
There are now more than 960 charging stations in Victoria, according to EV charger map Plugshare.com.

Minister for Training and Skills Gayle Tierney said there was “momentum” building up around EV purchases in Victoria, and the infrastructure needed to grow as demand increases.


The Victorian government has promised a further 141 EV chargers at 116 sites installed by July 2023, with just under 2500 rebates of $3000 still available for EVs bought for less than $68,740 in the state.

 

[sptrawler]

I wonder if this situation is across the board, it sounds as though it is becoming common place, hopefully the buyer can cancel the contract if the increase puts them in financial difficulty.

Most LDV Australia prices to increase next month

Prices across most LDV G10, T60, D90 and V80 models will increase on July 1 – and only buyers that take delivery before June 30 will be exempt.

www.drive.com.au

Prices across most LDV G10, T60, D90 and V80 models will increase on July 1, for all buyers that haven't taken delivery before the end of June – no matter how long you've been in the queue.
Chinese brand LDV will increase prices across four of its five model lines from 1 July – and only buyers who take delivery before the end of this month will be free from the price increases.
From 1 July, prices of the LDV's seven-seat D90 SUV, T60 Max ute, V80 van, and most G10 van variants will increase for private buyers and ABN holders by between $500 and $1053, depending on variant – attributed to increased manufacturing and shipping costs.
LDV's Australian distributor Ateco will offer "price protection" for buyers – but only if their vehicle is "delivered" before the end of this month, irrespective of when they placed an order, or when the vehicle was built.

 

[sptrawler]

An article that lists approx range for E.V's available in W.A

Every electric car in Australia, ranked by range

How far can you drive in an electric car? There’s no easy answer – but we’ve attempted to simplify things by ranking every model available in Australia by

www.drive.com.au

 

[rederob]

If there is one thing that I especially enjoy, it has to be reading crap from people who are regarded as experts.
The linked Bloomberg intelligence global battery electric vehicle report: Automakers race to the top, has VW ahead of Tesla by 2025:

VW are so far behind they have no hope:

To get ahead you have to plan ahead, and that's what Tesla and BYD have done, much better than VW. Both these companies have been sorting out their supply chains and building new battery and EV manufacturing factories, while VW still has a massive ICEV legacy to shake off.

So as we stand, VW has to get ahead of 3 competitors, 2 of whom are just starting their global EV product launches: BYD and SAIC are already knocking out inexpensive (but not "cheap") EV's and Tesla doesn't need to because their cars sell themselves.

What Bloomberg forgets is that Tesla has something like 2M pre-orders to satisfy, while BYD's numbers continues to climb, standing around 500K at the moment. Those numbers are testimony to demand, and VW has nothing comparable.

Topping off their shambolic analysis is their view that China will have a 25% market share of BEVs in 2025, but in April China already had a 29% EV share, and only BYD's

 

[rederob]

... and only BYD's PHEV numbers need to decline for the BEV percentage to hit 25% in 2023 at the latest.
(BYD has retained a PHEV platform so as to maintain sourcing parts for its legacy ICEVS. It's a pretty smart move, especially during a period where charging station rollouts do not yet cover western China's distances that well.)

 

[qldfrog]

Going to see a MG dealer today.
Have a look at what they have,more interested in the byd atto3..after researches on line
but each time, my financially aware mind tells me: it makes no sense.

I looked at my daily run .not the road trips which can not be done with an ev anyways as we do dirt road out there trips when we do
I average around 200km a week for these or $32 a week fuel which could be free on EV/pi hybrid via rooftop
Let's say $50 a week if petrol goes up and up..but at that price, i can run on vegetable oil from aldi.
50x$52=$2.5k a year saving on fiel for runabout.
The first year saving..with current fuel price will go in smoke when i buy a charger and have it installed.
In 10y my battery is gone, probably more 7y but let's be optimistic
so i need to pay back the difference in 9 years at $2.5k max a year.
And that is wo km extra tax and fully free energy from PV
22.5k is the maximum extra i can spend on an ev or pi hybrid vs normal runabout.
Min price driveway for ev/PI is around 47 k so any car available below 25k driveway save me money.
And these will consume less than 8l per 100
Plenty to choose....remember, we are talking shopping/coffee run..not interstate travel and the above numbers are attrociously chosen to be pro EV as i like the tech and toy factor.
If you add the fact i already have 2 cars and do not need to buy a brand new one for a runabout, this is even crazier.
In 2022, EV or PI hybrid makes no $ sense..and not even sure environment wise...there are better ways to spend/waste your money to save the planet
Anyway,will go and see if i can be pushed to buy an EV ..after all, not all decisions are rational choices.

 

[moXJO]

If there is one thing that I especially enjoy, it has to be reading crap from people who are regarded as experts.
The linked Bloomberg intelligence global battery electric vehicle report: Automakers race to the top, has VW ahead of Tesla by 2025:
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VW are so far behind they have no hope:
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To get ahead you have to plan ahead, and that's what Tesla and BYD have done, much better than VW. Both these companies have been sorting out their supply chains and building new battery and EV manufacturing factories, while VW still has a massive ICEV legacy to shake off.

So as we stand, VW has to get ahead of 3 competitors, 2 of whom are just starting their global EV product launches: BYD and SAIC are already knocking out inexpensive (but not "cheap") EV's and Tesla doesn't need to because their cars sell themselves.

What Bloomberg forgets is that Tesla has something like 2M pre-orders to satisfy, while BYD's numbers continues to climb, standing around 500K at the moment. Those numbers are testimony to demand, and VW has nothing comparable.

Topping off their shambolic analysis is their view that China will have a 25% market share of BEVs in 2025, but in April China already had a 29% EV share, and only BYD's

Bloomberg has numerous articles that are very poorly researched. Can't trust anything these days.

 

[SirRumpole]

That’s the dumbest thing I have heard, but what should we expect from a state that has already brought in an annual EV tax that means every EV owner has to pay a set amount each year regardless of how much they drive which is equivalent to the fuel tax that a hybrid petrol car owner would spend if they drove 67,000 km per year.

Yes, it is pretty stupid, but it' a forerunner to what's in store for EV owners there and here.

Governments have to replace the fuel tax revenue somehow, otherwise there have to be cutbacks in other areas.

Maybe you have some suggestions as to a fairer method of replacing fuel tax revenue ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Ferrari to go 50% electric by 2030.

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