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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
From abc..the great deceiver.
Back to reality, I went and looked at the MG PI hybrid...nice car BUT disappointed by the fact that there is not braking recharge of the battery ..WTH???
so you just charge it and when battery is empty run on gas..Better off buying the MG3 below 20K driveway as a second car.availability of the full EV will be end of year at best now as all shipped EV arriving soon are presold.
2y waiting list for some non MG model I also inquired about..no kidding..crazy, you purchase a new car with the latest colour and it is outmoded by the time you step in it...
no point changing efficiency standard or adding charger, you can hardly get a car delivered..even ICEs..the slow move to the Argentina-tion of Australia as I pointed 15y or so ago..we are getting there
 
2y waiting list for some non MG model I also inquired about..no kidding..crazy, you purchase a new car with the latest colour and it is outmoded by the time you step in it...
A mate ordered an ICE Hyundai i20N on the 9 December, when he ordered it they showed him a list of 5 available cars, he wanted white with white roof, the only white one had a black roof it was $1,000 extra but the cars are on the ship.
So he ordered it, now remember it was there on a print out on a ship, he received the car last week, so that is 9 December to mid June 6 months.
My guess, they are not building anything until there is an order, with a deposit.
 
Another article on real life range of various E.V's, I think these actual tests are much better indications of expected range, than the windscreen sticker numbers.

 
I am absolutely fine with an ev tax being addded “eventually” but it definitely shouldn’t be more than petrol cars pay, after all there is already GST on electricity.

Mean while I just got back from NZ, these fuel prices made me miss my Tesla while I was there.

 
Yes and from a W.A perspective, tax by stealth, the W.A Govt ( who are saints ATM), are putting a 2.5c /km tax on E.V's for the loss of(cough) fuel tax.

But they own the electricity system, so they get the money from charging the EV's, and charge the EV's 2.5c/km for the loss of a tax they don't currently get.
Also they now get paid for the fuel people use, rather than the petrol companies, does it matter? Obviously not.

Oh well at least we can't blame the Feds anymore.

I bet that doesn't hit the media news, I'm old enough to be cynical.?
 
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"If you want to see how technology and deglobalisation are changing the global economy, there are few better places to look than the car industry.....Big Auto wants to be more like Tesla, the world’s undisputed ev champion."
As Jim Farley, Ford’s current boss, recently declared, “The most important thing is we vertically integrate. Henry Ford…was right.”


 
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Its not an electric car, but an electric plane.
From Swedish All electric aircraft
They don't say what size the battery pack will need to be, but it will be large.
At least the chargers only have to be in selected places (airports), and they will have to be BIG!
REX could replace their aging SAAB 340's with these and still do most of their regional flights.
The really interesting part is how the likes of FAA and CASA deem the "minimal fuel requirements" that are present for RPT aircraft.
Mick
 
This is an interesting video about electric planes and where they fit in to the grand scheme of air travel.


At least the chargers only have to be in selected places (airports), and they will have to be BIG!

Not really, if you look at the way planes are fulled at most air ports, I truck big pump truck with a big hose just turns up and connects to an underground pipe or tank and fills the plane up, it could be very similar e.g. some one just rolls up with a power cable, and plugs the plane into an under ground power circuit, and charges the plane, given that the plane is going to sit there for normally a minimum of 30 mins while it loads and un loads, the output of the charging circuit would only need to be about the same as Teslas Truck charger.

 

It will be a long time before we see viable flights of commercial EV planes.

"Over the past few years, the battery industry has largely focused on cars, yielding steady, incremental improvements to a particular scientific approach. This involves lithium ions that move between a cathode composed of a few metal oxides—including nickel, cobalt, manganese, and iron—and an anode made of graphite. This classic recipe has gotten pretty good.
But as they approach the theoretical limit of how much energy they can store, lithium-ion batteries remain well short of what’s required for most aircraft.
The aviation industry has been grappling with this problem for a while. They need enough power for takeoff, then enough energy to safely cruise over long distances. It’s possible that it will never be practical—and that greener aviation will require other approaches, like hydrogen or synthetic jet fuel."


 
It will be a long time before we see viable flights of commercial EV planes.
I would not be so sure of that.
six years ago I flew an all electric two seater aircraft after the US Oshkosh air show.
The checklist is significantly smaller than a conventional piston engined plane, no engine runups to warm up oil etc, no cycling props, no mixture controls..
Just press the go button and the acceleration was more than surprising.
There are many advantages in using Electricity for planes apart from the big cost reductions in the engine and ongoing maintenance as mentioned in the article..
There are no limitations on the performance of the engine as altitude increases, there are no changes in C of G as there is no burn off of fuel, no expensive fuel dumps if an aircraft has to return to base.
Pilot workload would be much lower as there are significantly fewer engine management systems as well as fuel management to worry about.
The Maximum Take off Weight and Maximum Landing Weight can be the same, the decrease in exhaust noise helps overcome EPA regs and maybe even curfews.
The almost instant torque from the motors will provide good acceleration such that they expect to operate from runways less than a thousand feet compared to say a Dash 8 that requires 2700 foot runways.
it would help airlines offset their carbon emissions from the Avtur burning long haul aircraft and allow them a bit of virtue signalling.
And of course they would be tad cheaper to run.
Short hop freight traffic would be an ideal proving ground, without putting the RPT customers at risk as guinea pigs.
Scalability would be an issue, the ES-19 has four engines of 400 KW each, the equivalent of around 9 base model tesla model 3.
I can find no information on aviation websites as to the battery capacity of the ES 19 , but I can imagine it would be huge, and the weight significant.
Not to mention the size of the charging cable!
Of course all this is based on Vapourware, the aircraft has not even had a test flight yet.
I guess its a bit like the Tesla Cyber truck.
Mick
 

Yes, for small single engine aircraft there is a nearby future.

However, for commercial passenger & goods aircraft there is an issue with the size & weight of the battery pack required. The battery is prohibitive to profit, especially for long haul transport.
 
Yeah , but as the article said, they are targetting the short haul regional hop, where you spend a lot of energy getting to the flight levels and immediately have to start your descent.
These aircraft can fly efficiently at lower levels almost as well as flight levels.
Mick
 
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I visited the EV expo yesterday in Noosa.
Interesting, still believing not a financially sensible choice but technology was interesting.i liked the EV scooters and motorbikes.
Some beauties there at an affordable cost.
Was able to see first hand a polestar.
beautiful, and personally prefer to Tesla.
if i had to buy an EV today, i would go BYD but that is personal choice.
After talking to the owner of an Hyundai EV, he mentioned an interesting point which would be valid for MG ev as well.
If you buy an EV version of an ICE, a lot of parts..headlights etc are shared and changing these after an accident is not an expensive issue, whereas a new headlight for a Tesla is an expensive drama.
Otherwise, some of the price tags and waiting list time bringing tears to my eyes...
 
Just heard that in Norway effective from 2025 people there will only be able to buy & drive an EV & nothing else.
Well I was there three years ago, it is an interesting place, it was more expensive to buy something with cash, than a credit card, so obviously they have a different set of parameters than most other countries.
I'm going back there next year, so I will let you know how it is progressing.
 
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