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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    197
2, as you accelerate on and pick up speed above say 20km the petrol engine kicks in and the petrol and electric work together,

That depends on how hard you accelerate and the condition of the battery. I have driven quite a few new Camry hybrids and when driving in suburban streets I can maintain full electric motor function to 60km/h.
 
Come .........on ........now................wash your mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!;)

If you want a JAP import


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As yet Bentley unfortunately have not produced an EV and I enclose the form for those ASF members who persistently appear in the top ten of the Monthly Comp who may be interested in purchasing one.


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I am so glad I'm an ASF member.

He repeats this frequently, I know very little about ICE or EV. Even less about Prius.

Thank you both.

I might wager $50 he is wrong next time it comes up.

I still reckon its a better option for us in Regional Australia than an EV.

gg
The problem with tbe Prius from what I've heard, from my son in the Goldfields, is once you are over 80kl/hr it is 100% ICE.
So if most of your driving is around town that's ok, if most of your driving is on the highway, not so good.
 

NEW Aussie Government claims EV prices SLASHED


"Fringe benefit tax will reduce the price if you buy it that way, most people don't do it that though....5% of the import tax will be passed on to the consumer... what do I think? No, in the short term you will get zero... The brands will keep all this money as what? A mark up, why because we have so much demand for electric cars here in Australia right now that the manufactures know they don't need to sell to us at a discount. I mean BYD originally promised to sell there electric cars the BYD Ato 3 at a price that they didn't follow through with it. Why did they not follow through with it , simply because they didn't need to ... frankly because there is so much demand for it that they knew they could sell it for a higher price than what they originally said the car would cost, which was under $40,000 and yeah it's a lot more than that. Because there is so much demand. They were right. Hey look, I ordered one, many of you have ordered one..."
 
The problem with tbe Prius from what I've heard, from my son in the Goldfields, is once you are over 80kl/hr it is 100% ICE.
So if most of your driving is around town that's ok, if most of your driving is on the highway, not so good.
My experience is that even on the freeway at 100km it’s still switching between the different functions.

Eg, if you hit a slightly down hill section to might go into regen mode or just maintain speed using the electric, sometimes it will be 50/50, if the battery runs down the petrol will kick in for a while to drive the car but it also charges at the same time.
 
My experience is that even on the freeway at 100km it’s still switching between the different functions.

Eg, if you hit a slightly down hill section to might go into regen mode or just maintain speed using the electric, sometimes it will be 50/50, if the battery runs down the petrol will kick in for a while to drive the car but it also charges at the same time.
In W.A it is fairly flat, my son lived near Kalgoorlie and his next door neighbour had a Prius, apparently on the 1,200 km trip to Perth and back at 110 km/hr it mainly ran on the ICE motor.
I don't think he said it did much 50/50 running.
Apparently around town it was ok.
The other thing with the Prius, they early ones ran a NiMh battery I'm not sure when or if they changed and updated, so that also would be worth checking.
I guess what I'm saying is do your research and know what you are buying.
 
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In W.A it is fairly flat, my son lived near Kalgoorlie and his next door neighbour had a Prius, apparently on the 1,200 km trip to Perth and back at 110 km/hr it mainly ran on the ICE motor.
I don't think he said it did much 50/50 running.
Apparently around town it was ok.
The other thing with the Prius, they early ones ran a NiMh battery I'm not sure when or if they changed and updated, so that also would be worth checking.
I guess what I'm saying is do your research and know what you are buying.
I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t be using the battery, Maybe the battery is stuffed.

While it’s driving using the engine the battery should be charging, then when the battery gets near full it should switch to the 50/50 mode for a while to drain the battery, that’s how I noticed it.

I was driving in Florida which is also pretty flat.
 
I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t be using the battery, Maybe the battery is stuffed.

While it’s driving using the engine the battery should be charging, then when the battery gets near full it should switch to the 50/50 mode for a while to drain the battery, that’s how I noticed it.

I was driving in Florida which is also pretty flat.
There may have been something wrong with it, but they said once it was over about 90km/hr it just ran 100% ICE.
 
Infrastructure investment is required in Australia, not tax cuts for EVs.

Anxiety The Problem, Not EV Range

A recent report from the United Kingdom highlights a maturing charging network and a reduction in range anxiety. The Automobile Association (AA) reports that the percentage of breakdown callouts for low battery has halved in the past 12 months. They have found that range anxiety does not match reality — half of the callouts were for anxious drivers who had not actually run out of range but from drivers panicked when their cars warned them that the battery was low. Having been I a similar situation in Queensland’s far west, I can understand the concern.

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A little planning and using a phone charging app (like PlugShare) can go a long way. Part of the story is also learning and trusting the car. Most EVs will warn you when the charge is low. Tesla has the yellow triangle of death and will tell you to get to the nearest charging point. The electric vehicle ecosystem is evolving and expanding very rapidly, and some of the early adopters’ concerns are no longer valid. The situation is different in every state, in every country.

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Yellow triangle of death
The AA said the top one third of breakdowns for EVs are exactly the same faults as with internal combustion engine vehicles, with those being 12V battery problems and tyres. Other EV faults are different, however, and cover things such as charging equipment, warning lights, battery monitoring systems, or key transponders.

“Electrification is going mainstream and potential EV owners shouldn’t be put off by myths about range. Once you have tried an EV it is hard to go back,” Edmund King, AA president said.

An AA survey has found similar concerns to what we have here in Australia, and, I would hazard a guess, worldwide — charging spaces need to be wheelchair friendly, and charge post design should consider users with limited mobility and/or disabilities. As I get older and stiffer (I think I inherited my mother’s arthritis), I feel the need to open the car door completely in order to enter and exit. A wide parking space is preferred.
 
Infrastructure investment is required in Australia, not tax cuts for EVs.
On Friday, despite the cancelling of late 2022 manufactured deliveries we re signed for the Volvo XC40, but the new model with slightly longer range designated a MY23 build.
We did not have to put a further 5k down as deposit, and it is due in November.
Our biggest problem is that there are no fast chargers between where we live and Melbourne without doing some detours to get to Euroa.
Plug share shows a few 10 amp wall chargers, but I can't park for ten hours while it recharges.
Really need some fast chargers at Wahring, Seymour, Broadford, Wallan etc.
Mick
 
On Friday, despite the cancelling of late 2022 manufactured deliveries we re signed for the Volvo XC40, but the new model with slightly longer range designated a MY23 build.
We did not have to put a further 5k down as deposit, and it is due in November.
Our biggest problem is that there are no fast chargers between where we live and Melbourne without doing some detours to get to Euroa.
Plug share shows a few 10 amp wall chargers, but I can't park for ten hours while it recharges.
Really need some fast chargers at Wahring, Seymour, Broadford, Wallan etc.
Mick
Just as well its not a horse without feed, Mick.

There was movement at the station, for the word had passed around
That the colt from Old Regret had got away,
And had joined the wild bush horses - he was worth a thousand pound,
So all the cracks had gathered to the fray.
All the tried and noted riders from the stations near and far
Had mustered at the homestead overnight,
For the bushmen love hard riding where the wild bush horses are,
And the stock-horse snuffs the battle with delight.

gg
 
Choose your investments in the materials sector carefully -

As first reported by Bloomberg, analysts say they expect the cost of cobalt, lithium, and nickel to decline in the next two years in response to over-investment in green energy ventures. Market corrections will drive down prices for the abundant supply of the metals, with lithium anticipated to experience the greatest adjustment.

Investors have continued to flock to the EV battery market, as the automotive industry expands its efforts into sustainable vehicles and away from gas-fueled cars. Concern over shortages of the materials in recent months — particularly amid the pandemic and Russia's invasion of Ukraine — further amplified investments for the metals, Insider's Alexa St. John reported.

While Goldman Sachs said the EV battery market will continue to thrive, analysts said "fundamental mispricing has in turn generated an outsized supply response well ahead of the demand trend," Bloomberg reported. According to McKinsey, the EV battery market is anticipated to reach $360 billion by 2030.

 
On Friday, despite the cancelling of late 2022 manufactured deliveries we re signed for the Volvo XC40, but the new model with slightly longer range designated a MY23 build.
We did not have to put a further 5k down as deposit, and it is due in November.
Our biggest problem is that there are no fast chargers between where we live and Melbourne without doing some detours to get to Euroa.
Plug share shows a few 10 amp wall chargers, but I can't park for ten hours while it recharges.
Really need some fast chargers at Wahring, Seymour, Broadford, Wallan etc.
Mick
It isn't just having fast chargers in towns, it is also having them working especially when they are strategic.
The Chargefox fast charger at Mandurah, which really is the only major town between Perth and Bunbury 200km away, hasn't been working for a month or so. There is only the one in Harvey which is off the beaten track , so anyone coming up from the S/W really would have to be careful, there just aren't enough of the chargers in W.A.
A lot of the people who live in the country towns have to travel to Perth as there aren't a lot of services in the country towns.
 
On Friday, despite the cancelling of late 2022 manufactured deliveries we re signed for the Volvo XC40, but the new model with slightly longer range designated a MY23 build.
We did not have to put a further 5k down as deposit, and it is due in November.
Our biggest problem is that there are no fast chargers between where we live and Melbourne without doing some detours to get to Euroa.
Plug share shows a few 10 amp wall chargers, but I can't park for ten hours while it recharges.
Really need some fast chargers at Wahring, Seymour, Broadford, Wallan etc.
Mick
I should add that prior to resigning for the XC40, we visited the hyundai /Kia dealer in FTG.
Drove the Kia Niro, but neither my wife or I thought it came anywhere near the XC40.
Seats were good, but unless you put it into sport mode, the response was somewhat underwhelming.
Seats were comfortable, air conditioning seemed lacking in volume even on a very mild Melbourne afternoon.
Was also a lot smaller vehicle than the wife wanted.
Would be good as a run bout in the city, but probably not for us regional folks.
The top of the line was about 75,000, not much cheaper than the dual motor XC40 at 88k drive away.
Had a look at the EV6 while were there, but could not get a drive of one.
Looked really good, and the GT version has a claimed range of 6650 km.
The salesman also said the wait time for them had gone out beyond 2 years even if we ordered right there on the spot.
And the price for he GT line ended up being higher than the XC40 anyway.
So thats why we settled on the XC40.
Will be the first volvo I have ever owned.
Need to get a hat.
Mick
 
CarTell.tv

In this video, Jenny checks out the all-electric Volvo XC40 Recharge. The team at CarTell.tv has always held the XC40 in high regard. It is one of the best cars in its class and actually has been for a while.

You will also know we like the whole electric car movement. So, we should really love the XC40 in its full-EV guise.

We always have loved the boxy, yet quirky Scandinavian minimalism of the XC40. There are two electric motors with a combined power of 300 kW and 660 Nm of torque. There are also the petrol and plug-in hybrid versions, but we’re not here for those today.

The official range is 418 km, which is not bad at all. The one thing that’s not really praiseworthy is energy consumption. Sure 418 km of the official range is nice, but it packs a 78 kWh battery. 0-100km/h is listed as 4.9 seconds.

 
In this video, Jenny checks out the all-new Kia EV6. An all-electric SUV that is based on the Hyundai IONIQ 5 platform. In itself, the Hyundai IONIQ 5 is already a fantastic choice when it comes to an all-electric vehicle.

The RWD EV6 has one motor which produces 168 kW and 350 Nm. The AWD version has two motors and they add up to 239 kW and 605 Nm of that lovely EV torque.

Both have a 77.4 kWh battery under the floor that weighs almost 480 kg. Charging the EV6 from 10-100% with an 11kW AC charger lasts 7h and 20mins. 50kW DC charger fills from 10-80% in 73 minutes, while the 350kW DC charger does the same thing in just 18 minutes.

Lastly, the official range of the RWD models is between 504 and 528 km while the AWD one covers 484 km.

When it comes to choosing an electric car for 2022 the EV6 from KIA stacks up well against its rivals like the Tesla Model X, the Hyundai Ioniq5, and the Volkswagen ID.4.

 
On Friday, despite the cancelling of late 2022 manufactured deliveries we re signed for the Volvo XC40, but the new model with slightly longer range designated a MY23 build.
We did not have to put a further 5k down as deposit, and it is due in November.
Our biggest problem is that there are no fast chargers between where we live and Melbourne without doing some detours to get to Euroa.
Plug share shows a few 10 amp wall chargers, but I can't park for ten hours while it recharges.
Really need some fast chargers at Wahring, Seymour, Broadford, Wallan etc.
Mick
Melbourne to Euroa and back should be easy on a single charge shouldn’t it? What’s the range of the Volvo?
 
Problem is, we don't normally go via Euroa, we don't hit the Hume until Seymour.
Going via Euroa adds a bit over 40 kms to the one way trip to Melbourne.
Can do the trip one way without recharging, cannot reliably do it as a round trip without recharging.
Will need to recharge somewhere in Melb before we return.
Mick
 
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