Electric cars?

[Value Collector]

Interesting, I wonder what has caused the brakes to be applied, battery material cost?

Tesla Cybertruck pulled from sale in Australia, thousands of customers owed refunds

The controversially-styled Tesla Cybertruck electric pick-up is no longer available to order on Tesla Australia's website. What happens now to the customers who paid a $150 refundable deposit?

www.drive.com.au

Electric-car giant Tesla has slammed the brakes on the sharply-styled Cybertruck for Australian customers.
Overnight, the Tesla Australia website stopped accepting $150 deposits for customers to place orders – and instead replaced the tab with a message that says "Get Updates" (see screenshot below).
As exclusively reported by Australian-based electric-car website The Driven: "The Tesla Cybertruck can no longer be reserved in Australia, after Tesla shut off reservations for the Cybertruck for markets outside North America."
The sudden shutdown of the Tesla Cybertruck's online ordering portal in Australia comes after repeated speculation the Cybertruck may be deemed too big for Australia – and follows reports there may not be a right-hand-drive version.
Tesla boss Elon Musk has also previously hinted the company might produce a slightly smaller pick-up for global markets such as Australia.

I think it’s taking them longer than anticipated to bring it to production, they are focusing on ramping up the model Y production.

Maybe they just think the pre order book is getting to large, we have already seen other EV makers stop taking new orders.

 

[sptrawler]

I think it’s taking them longer than anticipated to bring it to production, they are focusing on ramping up the model Y production.

Maybe they just think the pre order book is getting to large, we have already seen other EV makers stop taking new orders.

Yes the supply of all vehicles is slowing to a snails pace, a mate ordered a Hyundai i20N in January, still no arrival date.

It makes me wonder if the manufacturers are deliberately slowing down the manufacturing of ICE cars, while they crank up the manufacturing of E.V's, the problem for them is they will have to support the ICE cars for a further 10 years after production ceases that is a hell of a millstone around their necks.
With Tesla they don't have that issue, but they are still in the infancy of high volume car production, so the ramp up will be stop go due to supply constraints IMO.

 

[Value Collector]

volvo has cancelled all orders (including mine) for the XC40 recharge.
The driven.io

not a happy chappy after doing a lot of research and talking to EV owners.
I still fail to see why they keep pushing the idea that a lack of emissions standards is why we dont get more EV,s.
Is it so that as the ICE engines become uncompetitive, it allows the EV to be able to increase prices?
mick

Maybe it’s like light bulbs, in that the LED and compact fluorescent bulbs we more expensive up front, especially because production was not to the scale of the cheap and nasty incandescent bulbs.

But the government new that install the modern types was cheaper for consumers over the long run and better for the environment, so they banned incandescent bulbs.

Once incandescents were banned the modern globes actually dropped in price due to scale production.

 

[Value Collector]

This article might be of interest to those on here, who have recently bought a Tesla model 3.

2021-2022 Tesla Model 3 recalled in Australia

A fault could cause the onboard computer to fail, according to the manufacturer.

www.drive.com.au

That’s the awesome thing about over the air updates, this “Recall” just requires the driver to have their over the air updates activated, and the software issue will be fixed.

So even though it’s called a “recall”, you don’t actually have to bring your car in to the dealership, unless for some reason you don’t have access to wifi and you can’t hotspot from your mobile

 

[sptrawler]

volvo has cancelled all orders (including mine) for the XC40 recharge.
The driven.io

not a happy chappy after doing a lot of research and talking to EV owners.
I still fail to see why they keep pushing the idea that a lack of emissions standards is why we dont get more EV,s.
Is it so that as the ICE engines become uncompetitive, it allows the EV to be able to increase prices?
mick

I would say the margin on E.V's is tight as batteries are supplied by third parties and they have seen a huge cost increase, as the legacy manufacturers have the double problem of trying to gear up E.V production and also make them cost competitive with their ICE offerings, it is becoming a real balancing act.
Make enough money on an ICE, to cross subsidies the E.V ramp up and also reduce the attractiveness of the ICE to reduce demand, while maintaining profit margin.
I think that is what all the delay is, they are only making vehicles to order, not on spec anymore.
So the delay time and exposure to supply line shocks is very high a bit like the building company issue lock in a contract then all your supply cost sky rocket and leave you exposed.
It will be interesting if there is a price increase on what you ordered, did you sign a purchase contract and put down a deposit? Or was it a deposit to reserve a right to purchase, when available.

Volkswagen Australia increases prices again on most models

Volkswagen Australia has given many of its models price increases ranging from $500 to $3600 due to production, supply, and transport costs.

www.carexpert.com.au

Renault raises prices again

French importer set to raise prices across the range from July 1

www.goauto.com.au

Mercedes-Benz Australia increases vehicle prices for the fourth time in 15 months

45 models receive an average price increase of 3.72 per cent

www.whichcar.com.au

Massive Increase in Kia Prices- Again | CarSpiritPK

Lucky Motor Corporation (LMC) has given yet another push to the prices of Kia cars in Pakistan. This is the third time since the beginning of 2022 that Kia prices have witnessed an increase…

carspiritpk.com

Up and up! 2022 MG 3, ZS, ZST and HS price rises confirmed - but another round coming soon for Kia Rio, Mitsubishi ASX, Hyundai Kona and Toyota RAV4 rivals

MG Australia has just increased the pricing of several 2021-built variants of the MG3 light hatchback, ZS/ZST small SUV and HS mid-size SUV – but another round of cost tweaks is coming soon alongside 2022 examples

www.carsguide.com.au

Price rises hit Mitsubishi Australia with 2022 Outlander, Pajero Sport, ASX and Eclipse Cross now more expensive - Car News

Most of Mitsubishi Australia's models have just increased in price, with the likes of the ASX, Outlander and Pajero rising $500, and the top-spec Triton ute jumping up by as much as $2450.The reason for the price increase?

www.carsguide.com.au

 

[sptrawler]

That’s the awesome thing about over the air updates, this “Recall” just requires the driver to have their over the air updates activated, and the software issue will be fixed.

So even though it’s called a “recall”, you don’t actually have to bring your car in to the dealership, unless for some reason you don’t have access to wifi and you can’t hotspot from your mobile

Absolutely ridiculous that all E.V's cant do that.

 

[Value Collector]

Absolutely ridiculous that all E.V's cant do that.

Or even just all cars in general

 

[sptrawler]

Or even just all cars in general

Yes just another rort, I got an airbag system fault in my jeep, plugged in the 'bluedriver' obd2 reader, problem driver side seat airbag open cct.
It is only a two wire device and the seat had just been moved fully forward to fit something in the back.
Long story short, I couldnt get down to check the connector due to stuffed knees.
Jeep $200 to read code and push plug back together.
It is $175 just to plug in the scan tool, what a joke.

 

[basilio]

Something to think about.
A self propelled electric trailer. Hi tech from top to bottom
An electric RV again hi tech from top to bottom.

There goes the weekend..

 

[SirRumpole]

Or even just all cars in general

There is a lot more to cars than software.

If your electric motor blows, try fixing that over the internet.

 

[Value Collector]

There is a lot more to cars than software.

If your electric motor blows, try fixing that over the internet.

Of course, but as SP pointed out, it would be good to be able to get the car diagnosis done without having to plug it in, Also software is a bit part of cars, I am sure there is multiple ways ICE cars could be improved with over the air updates, even if it was just to their navigation software, etc.

With a Tesla, if you have any sort of problem the first thing you do is go to the service section of the Tesla app and they will try and diagnose the problem before you have to come in to the “shop”, depending on what the issue is they can either fix it remotely, send out a mobile service guy, or request you to bring the car in.

 

[SirRumpole]

Of course, but as SP pointed out, it would be good to be able to get the car diagnosis done without having to plug it in, Also software is a bit part of cars, I am sure there is multiple ways ICE cars could be improved with over the air updates, even if it was just to their navigation software, etc.

With a Tesla, if you have any sort of problem the first thing you do is go to the service section of the Tesla app and they will try and diagnose the problem before you have to come in to the “shop”, depending on what the issue is they can either fix it remotely, send out a mobile service guy, or request you to bring the car in.

Yes, that's very nice, the way it should be done with the least trouble for the owner.

 

[JohnDe]

There is a lot more to cars than software.

If your electric motor blows, try fixing that over the internet.

I'd like to see how many drivers can fix a modern engine or transmission I'd hazard a guess and say almost none. First there are the specialized tools required to remove and install parts, then their is the complexity. Google the 2012 Subaru CVT transmission.

 

[SirRumpole]

I'd like to see how many drivers can fix a modern engine or transmission I'd hazard a guess and say almost none. First there are the specialized tools required to remove and install parts, then their is the complexity. Google the 2012 Subaru CVT transmission.

Indeed so. If there is a clunking in a modern engine it's a trip to the dealer. Maybe 20 years ago people could fix it themselves but not today.

 

[mullokintyre]

Geez, I just can't seem to win.
After having my order for the XC40 cancelled, I now find that the same thing is happening with polestar.
I had put a $1000 deposit about two months ago, not expecting to get one of the 'soon to be available" polestart 2 in RHD.
From The Driven

Polestar is the latest electric vehicle maker to report it will have to reduce its production targets as a result of the global pandemic, which could result in delivery delays for Australian customers.
In a statement on Friday, the Volvo offshoot said will make 30% less vehicles in 2022, a cut that is “100% attributable” to lockdowns due to the pandemic in China.
The production cut comes just one day after Volvo said it had cancelled 166 orders for its 2022XC40 Pure Recharge in Australia.
The popular Polestar 2 is made at the same Geely/Volvo factory as the XC40 Recharge in Luqiao, China. The Lynk & Co 01, a disruptive EV brand aimed at a new generation of drivers via a subscription-based ownership model, is also made at the same factory.

Looks like it will be ICE for some time yet for us.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

Geez, I just can't seem to win.
After having my order for the XC40 cancelled, I now find that the same thing is happening with polestar.
I had put a $1000 deposit about two months ago, not expecting to get one of the 'soon to be available" polestart 2 in RHD.
From The Driven

Looks like it will be ICE for some time yet for us.
Mick

Sounds like the subscription based ownership model has very few subscriber protections.
Have you received your $1,000 back?

 

[Smurf1976]

Of course, but as SP pointed out, it would be good to be able to get the car diagnosis done without having to plug it in, Also software is a bit part of cars, I am sure there is multiple ways ICE cars could be improved with over the air updates, even if it was just to their navigation software, etc.

I'm in the middle on this one.

On one hand yes, use technology to do updates remotely.

On the other hand, well I learned long ago that the IT industry is prone to releasing code changes without comprehensive testing and that makes me wary of having the ability to update at will.

 

[JohnDe]

Who else thinks that Volvo’s first attempt was pathetic? 165 EVs . No wonder they canceled, the cost to drive them on the boat would take half their profit.

Tesla is going to have a party. One month of Tesla sales equals a year of all the other manufacturers.

 

[Value Collector]

I'm in the middle on this one.

On one hand yes, use technology to do updates remotely.

On the other hand, well I learned long ago that the IT industry is prone to releasing code changes without comprehensive testing and that makes me wary of having the ability to update at will.

I am glad they regularly send updates, my car is nearly 3 years old, and it’s basically a different car to the one I picked up 3 years ago, there has been a steady flow of improvements to everything from the autopilot system through the the window wiper performance, and of course many other fun things like video games and music options etc.

 

[qldfrog]

I'm in the middle on this one.

On one hand yes, use technology to do updates remotely.

On the other hand, well I learned long ago that the IT industry is prone to releasing code changes without comprehensive testing and that makes me wary of having the ability to update at will.

Especially when you can not control when this happens.
Look at the operating system on your apple or windows machine as a guide
Better not install the latest update of your car just before this 2 week driving tour...
Every loss of control is a potential danger to your interests