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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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divs4ever said:
LOL

i could beat them in the 1970's on a bicycle ( standing start and across an intersection , big or small ) ( and overtake them on selected stretches sometime road camber counts )
but there was no outbreak in racing bike purchases in the next 10 years

a true petrolhead loves their beast for various reasons ( i have known several of them ) , but sure some just love rapid acceleration and they MIGHT swing to EVs as road rules become more draconian

( my first driving experience was a home-made go-kart and they are just awesome when maneuverability counts and no slouch on the zero to 100 mile an hour metric )

but the V8 was more about picking up girls than real performance (otherwise European super cars would be the dominant male toy )
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Check out this video from the 11.30 mark, the first 11.30 are all about super charging Ferraris and general petrol head talk, but then at the 11.30 mark both guys admit they now own Tesla's and love them, to hear a guy that has owned countless Ferraris and other super cars describe Teslas as a "happiness machine" and the best cars they have owned shows that they will appeal to the petrol heads.

 
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of course the poor will be taxed ( extra ) , the super-rich pay donations to the political parties and lobby groups ( AND they can afford to pay for the best accounting expertise )

i am also starting to wonder whether Australian election results are true and untainted ( after it is now obvious US elections have been tainted for at least 20 years )

unless the public starts a massive move into minority/independent players the two-party paradigm will ensure the masses will only get promises ( yet to be delivered )
 
no point selling me on vehicles , with the meds i am on i joke with the GP one day i will be allowed to have a wheel chair

BTW , i still have a racing bicycle , well and truly out-of-date , but still a formidable piece of tech ( but not as good as the previous one in sheer performance )
 
JohnDe said:
Post a link of a new 2021 MX-5 convertible, with pricing. It was you that mentioned the car for under $30,000.
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Has qldfrog been banned? Posts are gone and I can't find his user name.

qldfrog -
"A long rant after following the previous exchanges
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Tell me when i can spent less than 30 k and i can get an ev matching the pleasure driving of my wife mx5 convertible,or when i can get a ute to drive in my paddocks, cross our creeks drag a 2.5t delivery machine from a dip,pull a trailer load of gravel that the tradie hilux could not pull up the steep driveway in my place.
Current value of that ute on redbook below $10k, 200k km on clock so can easily do another 10y .8l diesel or colza oil per 100km..i am sure where the money get its best value.
As an engineer and quite tech progress minded, i like EVs. For the concept. Charge on home solar, takeoff speed ,ease of maintenance,easy integration for autonomous driving and sever us from oil consumption and related wars
But at this stage,if using lithium batteries, they are city and highway cars so more comparable to the mini cars at 20k, cost far far too much to be a decent alternative to the masses and ate not green in any way if recharged on the grid.
It is a wet greenwash dream of the same crowds who would have bought Mercs and beemers decades ago.
Nice little woke toys for an inner city crowds who can not hold its joy of putting the commoners back in public transports,living in housing commissions with a shared garden and fresh coat of paint to become social sustainable housing, while they cruise the now empty city highways in their EVs.
Part and integral component of the Reset.but ultimately even Stalin henchmen ended hanging or shot...

You can like the technology but never forget the narrative,why and the impacts..look at what social media became..
EVs stlll need subsidies and now mandatory shutting of ICE to be produced after decades of recent developments
that says it all.
Tesla is soon going to be able to make 1million car a year.
While 73 millions were built this year .....
So more suppressing and mandatory "choices" ahead. We will indeed see more EVs as we as peons of the west will have no choice.
like Covid jabs..your choice as long as you do not want to work. live.?
In Europe, it works with ICE bans in areas, obviously taxes and now laws.
I know that history has always found that government mandated choices mostly end up badly.
Be happy in your self driving EVUber freeing you to watch funny YouTube cat videos or hate posting against these bastards still owning lands and houses,or wearing clothes,eating meat or fleeing tracking

In short, i think looking at EVs on a pure technical value is missing the point.
I like computer technology,worked on AI tracking. Face recognition, gait tracking,etc..amazing powerful technology well past what most people even imagine possible.. but the use of it, the what and why..ohh the nightmare
I retired..EVs are the same.make no mistake. A mean to an end."
 
Smurf1976 said:
Political suicide until such time as the only people still using them are rich collectors rather than unemployed or low income with 20 year old cars.

A tax on the poor is what it would amount to if anyone did it in the 2030’s - I think both sides have got the message the voters don’t accept that sort of thing.
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I don’t doubt a Labor- Green government with would implement this type of tax.
 
moXJO said:
@Joe Blow
Find the frog
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I am here, but see no point raising facts so just out.
I could discuss/argue with a kid/younger person, but someone in his 50es raising the wog and green card and all the usual ABC style **** with me against twisted arguments i did not even write.no point;
Life is too short
Still follow the technical advances/prices post etc;
I am not a believer in lithium batteries due to metal scarity, not trusting h2 directly as too leaky but who knows..h2 fuel cells,
or better ammonia (fuel cells or ICE) with green hydrogen..perfect..current batteries are a transition, technically not suited to mass production on the world stage and definitively not sorting the environment issues.
Great for some gold chain wearing Ferrari riders converting to weed smoking baggy yogis driving tesla , the woke crews and as well convertion of old models for the fun...
Thinking myself about converting an old quad or farm buggy when I have time.
.ok I push a bit (a lot) but I am a wog, so have to go the extra mile :)
 
While I will personally be buying an ev and most likely multiple evs. I can see they are a bit of an elitist wankfest at the moment.

Poor routinely buy cars for $600 - $1000. Unless we see huge battery changes that won't happen with evs.

Petrol heads (and I don't mean the rich wankerss buying Ferraris) tend to like to work on their cars. I'll do maintenance on mine. Literally will get fried if you play around with electric. I understand the upgrades that you can do, but hardly satisfying. Also understand electric won't need as much servicing.

These things will be great for me because I have money. Not so great for everyone else at the early stages.

And I could rattle off a list of reasons why. Especially with poorer, large families. I've been dirt poor and these things would be a pipe dream.

Lithium batteries are never going to cut it in the long run for mass adoption. These things are outright dangerous when damaged or faulty.
 
moXJO said:
Hey I was a ngger back in the 80s. So you have to stand behind me on the 'minority scale'. Actually you wogs got classed as white oppressors now:laugh:
Way to miss out.
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I know ..what a priviledge guyi was, landing white male with my backpack,and with no welfare..just show isn't it .?100% agreement with your previous post
 
LOL i was raised on the city fringe , people came in two genders ,a whole lot of colours , but we were nearly all poor there were a couple of families that were there early ( land-holders before the city surrounded them but they were the tiny minority )

our area seemed more interested in paying the bills and a half-filled stomach
 
time will tell but i see a decreased pressure to own a personal vehicle at all ( especially if somebody squashes street crime , since the world seems to have gone soft and scared )

maybe urban authorities will even get public transport up to scratch ( and reduce the need for private transport even further )
 
divs4ever said:
time will tell but i see a decreased pressure to own a personal vehicle at all ( especially if somebody squashes street crime , since the world seems to have gone soft and scared )

maybe urban authorities will even get public transport up to scratch ( and reduce the need for private transport even further )
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Yes in cities, the trouble is the reset has no place for country people.
Put people in rabbit hutches and housing estates, living virtual lives. And just food production areas outside mega cities with a few national park nature reserves outside..
No private cars for the commoners
remember Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (1932)
No individual transport or individuals..
 
there will be a push towards robot farms ( highly automated ) and probable population extinction ( but i should be gone first )
 
moXJO said:
While I will personally be buying an ev and most likely multiple evs. I can see they are a bit of an elitist wankfest at the moment.

Poor routinely buy cars for $600 - $1000. Unless we see huge battery changes that won't happen with evs.

Petrol heads (and I don't mean the rich wankerss buying Ferraris) tend to like to work on their cars. I'll do maintenance on mine. Literally will get fried if you play around with electric. I understand the upgrades that you can do, but hardly satisfying. Also understand electric won't need as much servicing.

These things will be great for me because I have money. Not so great for everyone else at the early stages.

And I could rattle off a list of reasons why. Especially with poorer, large families. I've been dirt poor and these things would be a pipe dream.

Lithium batteries are never going to cut it in the long run for mass adoption. These things are outright dangerous when damaged or faulty.
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Current EV production and pricing is about where ICE vehicles were in the early 1900's; only high wage earners could afford a new one. Until Henry Ford came along with the Model T.

Tesla is attempting the same feat that the Model T Ford did; bring the cost down for the masses. The Tesla M3 was introduced as an affordable mid-luxury model. There have been a couple of price drops by Tesla over the past couple of years, and next year there will be a smaller budget model.

I am a member of a couple of Tesla Facebook sites, most of the owners in those groups are average middle income earners.

The cost of purchase is on the higher side compared to your Camry's and Mazda's, and on par or lower than a comparable BMW 3 series or Mercedes C series.

Add the savings of not having to replace engine oil and filters, spark plugs and belts, brake pads and disc rotors, the savings continue.

If you like to do your own maintenance, that is still possible and safe. There will be no maintenance required on the electrical system, other than the conventional lead acid 12V battery (soon to be replaced with a Lithium), so no risk of electrocution.
You will be able to change your own Cabin filter and brake fluid and windscreen washer fluid. That's all there is to maintain.

As for battery fires, well that is always a possibility, just like a petrol fire. though it is very rare. I'd be more concerned about hybrids, which use fuel and lithium.

"Every year, car fires cause over a billion dollars of property damage losses and kill hundreds of people, with collisions causing the majority of fatal vehicle fires. Hybrid vehicles have the most vehicle fires per 100K vehicle sales, followed by gas vehicles. Despite the recent concern about electric vehicle fires, they have the fewest fires per 100K vehicle sales and had only two model recalls for fire risks in the past year."

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