My thought is "get on with it".it will start with exploring network tariff reform
Car manufacturers have found themselves in the unusual position of asking for the government to impose limits on how much their cars can pollute.
After saying electric cars would "end the weekend", Prime Minister Scott Morrison has shifted gears.
- Australia is one of the only developed nations without an emissions standard for car makers
- Overseas, car brands are punished for high emissions and rewarded for low emissions
- Brands are not sending their limited EV stocks to Australia because there is no incentive
After announcing the government's "future fuels" strategy, he is saying Australians will soon rush to buy them as they become more affordable.
The car-making world is going electric, with many manufacturers planning to sell only zero-emissions cars by 2030.
But leading car brands say the lack of regulation on their emissions in Australia is hindering their ability to bring electric vehicles (EVs) here.
Volkswagen, for example, will sell about 400,000 electric vehicles this year — none of them will be in Australia.
The Australian head of Volkswagen, Michael Bartsch, said despite Australians wanting electric VWs, the company's head office in Germany would not agree to send any here.
"We still allow manufacturers to dump and sell in Australia dirty, old technology," Mr Bartsch said.
Looks remarkably a set of emission standards to me.Australian emission standards are based on European regulations for light-duty and heavy-duty (heavy goods) vehicles, with acceptance of selected US and Japanese standards. The long term policy is to fully harmonize Australian regulations with UN ECE standards. The development of emission standards for highway vehicles and engines is coordinated by the National Transport Commission (NTC) and the regulations—Australian Design Rules (ADR)—are administered by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport.
The emission standards apply to new vehicles including petrol (gasoline) and diesel cars, light omnibuses, heavy omnibuses, light goods vehicles, medium goods vehicles and heavy goods vehicles, as well as to forward control passenger vehicles and larger motor tricycles. They also cover off-road passenger vehicles (but not off-road engines, such as those used in construction or agricultural machinery).
That is so true Mick, they say that Australia will get dirty engines, no it won't, the major car manufacturing companies don't have assembly lines dedicated to dirty engines, they make an engine for a series of cars.From ABC News
I would take issue with some of that
Firstly, australia is one of the only developed nations that does not have en emission standards for car makers
Here is a link from Emisson Standards
Looks remarkably a set of emission standards to me.
I find it a bit rich for somebody from Volkswagen complaining a lack of emission standards when Volkswagen spent years cheating on the vehicle emissions anyway.
What they are really saying is that they want subsides for the EV vehicles.
They are happy to wait until either the Fed government subsidises their margins, or they wait until the manufacturers stop making ICE powered vehicles, then they can charge what they like.
The Chinese will beat them to it with much cheaper EV vehicles anyway.
Mick
One thing about emission standards is they're a trade-off. In short lower NOx and particulates comes at a price, that price being higher fuel consumption and CO2 emissions than could otherwise be achieved with the same engine in the same car.I would take issue with some of that
Firstly, australia is one of the only developed nations that does not have en emission standards for car makers
Not bad for starters.Tesla-rival Rivian has opened for trading at $106.75 (a 36% premium to its $78 IPO price).
That opening price values the company at over $90 billion, that is bigger than GM and Ford. On a fully diluted basis, including options and restricted stock units, Rivian is valued at more than $112 billion.
This is the largest IPO on U.S. exchanges since Alibaba in 2014 and the largest by a company based in the U.S. since Facebook in 2012.
The listing is the biggest globally this year, and the sixth-largest ever on a U.S. exchange, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
The Ute they released has got a lot of features. Some are quirky but useful. I'd actually buy stock in this company.
I just want the Ute.The Ute they released has got a lot of features. Some are quirky but useful. I'd actually buy stock in this company.
A little more on this issue.It looks as though the proposed Latrobe Valley electric car industry, has been a still birth. I guess the initial announcement served its purpose.
From the article:Electric vehicle factory plan collapses and with it the promise of 500 Victorian jobs
SEA Electric tells the Victorian government it won't be building an EV factory, which was announced with great fanfare by Premier Daniel Andrews in 2018.www.abc.net.au
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced the deal with SEA Electric ahead of the 2018 election.
The deal was meant to create jobs in the region, which is home to Victoria's coal-fired power stations, after the Hazelwood plant closed in 2017.
News of the project's demise comes amid a renewed focus on electric vehicles after the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow
Documents released to the ABC under Freedom of Information show the factory was meant to be built by December 2019.
But amid questioning before Parliament's Public Accounts and Estimates Committee (PAEC) yesterday, the government revealed SEA Electric had advised it last month of its desire to end the agreement.
The government has refused to say how much money had been paid to the company or whether any had been repaid, saying the matter was commercial in confidence.
A briefing paper prepared for then Industry and Employment Minister Ben Carroll, released under FOI, shows the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Region's Investment Committee classified the project as "high risk" before the grant was approved.
The papers also show there was no guarantee the project would have created 500 jobs.
Community groups and the opposition began questioning whether the project would eventuate when no site was secured.
SEA Electric is now well established overseas with its headquarters in LA.President and founder Tony Fairweather has long expressed his frustration towards the government relating to the deal, writing urgent correspondence as early as the start of last year.
In a letter to secretary of the department of jobs, precincts and regions Simon Phemister in March 2020, seen by Margin Call, Fairweather escalates a number of issues, requesting an urgent meeting with Andrews and his then-regional development minister Jaclyn Symes to address the urgent need for working capital via the government’s prior commitment.
“I am incredulous that, in the current calamitous environment, your team has made it clear, in writing, that the state will not advance the funds to SEA that have been agreed with your personal imprimatur – or consent to the new facility. These funds are critical to maintaining and securing jobs in Victoria,” Fairweather wrote.
“Indeed, it is our clearest intention that manufacturing jobs will remain in Victoria and we are doing everything humanly possible to achieve this.”
The rest is history, with SEA Electric then proceeding to shift its operations to Los Angeles where it now churns out its electric drive systems for commercial trucks across several continents.
Seriously? 20 lives a year..a whole policy,millions if not billions of $ unexpected consequences like new cars being too dear/ dearer forcing people to keep their older cars longer and cascading down the second hand market to more real bombs on the road.Not E.V specific, but we have talked a lot about the advent of autonomous driving vehicles in the thread, recently we mentioned about active speed monitoring and data logging becoming mandatory, well another one that is becoming mandatory is autonomous emergency braking.
Where the car brakes, if you don't.
This IMO, will be another nail in older ICE vehicles coffins, because older cars will start to have much higher statistics in rear end accidents, furthering the call to have them taken off the road.
What is the old saying "slowly, slowly, catch the monkey?
From the article:Autonomous emergency braking will be compulsory in Australia from 2023
The move will save approximately 20 lives every year, according to the Federal Government.www.drive.com.au
Autonomous emergency braking (AEB) – a technology that uses radar to automatically apply the brakes when a driver gets too close to the car in front – will be mandated Australia-wide in all newly-introduced models from March 2023 onwards.
From March 2025, the safety feature will be required in all new vehicles outright (including existing models). It will apply to all passenger cars, SUVs and light commercial vehicles with gross vehicle mass ratings below 3.5 tonnes, and must also include pedestrian detection.
According to the Federal Government, the move will save approximately 20 lives – and prevent 600 serious injuries – every year.
AAA estimated the cost of accidents in the tens of billions 4 years ago:Seriously? 20 lives a year ..a whole policy,
In fact cars are getting cheaper and safer every year. Chinese BEV market starts with cars from AU$7K (the Wuling).millions if not billions of $ unexpected consequences like new cars being too dear
The cost of the extra electronics is minimal, generally less than the extra cost of getting a coloured paint on a new car. The suite nowadays on cars can includedearer forcing people to keep their older cars longer and cascading down the second hand market to more real bombs on the road.
The transition has been occurring for years now and here's the trend (and the government's target:How many death extra will it create during the transition
The evidence is clear on what the technology does, so you are out of step.Sure it is great for some but let's stop pretending it is to save lives..
Mandate it for all vehicles!Step one should be to mandate it on heavy vehicle...
It will be mandated for all E.V's IMO, installing safety devices to control an electric motor is simple and has been used in industry for many years.Mandate it for all vehicles!
Plus, mandate addition features for all heavy vehicles, such as proposed by NSW.
If you followed the trends in vehicle manufacture then you would discover that Toyota is so far behind the BEV manufacturing curve that it will be largely relegated to its Japanese ICE vehicle base by 2030.Not everyone is giving upon internal combustion engines.
From the article:
The coalition will see the five companies develop carbon-neutral fuels for racing, meanwhile Toyota and Mazda will together to develop a 1.5-liter Skyactiv-D engine powered by biodiesel. Subaru will work with Toyota for 2022’s Super Taikyu Series endurance season, with both companies collaborating to make a biomass-derived synthetic fuel. Furthermore, Yamaha and Kawasaki are considering working on a hydrogen engine for motorcycles.
oyota clearly believes other solutions such as hydrogen will play their part in a sustainable future, an idea Tesla CEO Elon Musk has labelled “mind-bogglingly stupid” in the past. Despite all this, Toyota still intends to compete in the BEV space through the bz4x crossover which will arrive in mid-2022.
Toyota released the following statement after the announcement of the coalition:
"By promoting further collaboration in producing, transporting and using fuel in combination with internal combustion engines, the five companies aim to provide customers with greater choice."
Sounds like when the iPhone came out, and some people thought the Black Berry still had a future because there would be Better Berry phones coming out, and iPhones were really just a toy, not for serious business folk.Not everyone is giving upon internal combustion engines.
From the article:
The coalition will see the five companies develop carbon-neutral fuels for racing, meanwhile Toyota and Mazda will together to develop a 1.5-liter Skyactiv-D engine powered by biodiesel. Subaru will work with Toyota for 2022’s Super Taikyu Series endurance season, with both companies collaborating to make a biomass-derived synthetic fuel. Furthermore, Yamaha and Kawasaki are considering working on a hydrogen engine for motorcycles.
oyota clearly believes other solutions such as hydrogen will play their part in a sustainable future, an idea Tesla CEO Elon Musk has labelled “mind-bogglingly stupid” in the past. Despite all this, Toyota still intends to compete in the BEV space through the bz4x crossover which will arrive in mid-2022.
Toyota released the following statement after the announcement of the coalition:
"By promoting further collaboration in producing, transporting and using fuel in combination with internal combustion engines, the five companies aim to provide customers with greater choice."
The analogy has some differences so here's some pluses and minuses.Sounds like when the iPhone came out, and some people thought the Black Berry still had a future because there would be Better Berry phones coming out, and iPhones were really just a toy, not for serious business folk.
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