Electric cars?

[sptrawler]

Interesting article on EV's and their batteries.

Thousands of electric cars and home batteries are being recalled in Australia. This is what's happening to the waste

Australians may have only just started buying electric cars and household batteries – but several product recalls are showing that a national plan for dealing with renewable energy waste may already be needed.

www.abc.net.au

An interesting comment in the article, well worth highlighting, as hydrofluoric acid is extremely dangerous, so be careful when playing with lithium ion batteries:


"What sets lithium-ion batteries apart from the majority all other battery types is the electrolyte system used," he says.

"The electrolyte system consists of flammable and combustible organic solvents in which a lithium salt is dissolved, which is not only corrosive and toxic but releases hydrofluoric acid when in contact with water.

Chemical Safety - Environment, Health and Safety

The main function of the Chemical Safety section is to manage the process of improving safety through education, compliance and the constant task of identifying and evaluating potential safety hazards in order to reach the destination of a safe research … Read more

ehs.unc.edu

 

[mullokintyre]

Where one of my sons live in the dark recesses of locked down Melbourne, the majority of the old single fronted narrow houses in the area have no driveway access, so many of the locals need to park on the street. (and have a permit to dod so).
For those people, charging an EV is going to be a tad difficult, unless they can somehow run a power lead from the house across the footpath and the sometimes the road if they have to park on the opposite side of the street to their house..
Over time, these old houses are torn down and replaced with multistory units, which should give owners of EV's access to a charging point.
However, in the meantime, a chunk of potential EV users are just out of luck.
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

From Todays OZ

All new cars sold would be electric by 2035, under an ambitious new proposal from the Grattan Institute to slash carbon emissions.
Grattan’s car plan would see the average annual emissions for new passenger vehicle sales capped at 143 grams of carbon per kilometre (g/km), starting from 2024.
Under the proposal, this average annual emissions “ceiling” on new car sales would be lowered to 100g/km by 2027, and then to 25g/km by 2030. Carbon emissions from new vehicles under the ceiling should fall to zero by 2035, the report said.
e responsible for 11 per cent of Australia’s carbon emissions, and Marion Terrill, the director of Grattan’s transport and cities program and author of the report, said the plan would achieve 40 per cent of the nation’s emissions reduction task between now and 2030.

Seeing as we do not make any cars ourselves, and with most of the countries that control the making of vehicles for the OZ market already saying they will stop making ICE powered vehicles , the institute will get their wish whether the Australian government likes it or not. Like so many things, the market will take it out of the hands of the fools who think they run they run the country.

Mick

 

[basilio]

Where one of my sons live in the dark recesses of locked down Melbourne, the majority of the old single fronted narrow houses in the area have no driveway access, so many of the locals need to park on the street. (and have a permit to dod so).
For those people, charging an EV is going to be a tad difficult, unless they can somehow run a power lead from the house across the footpath and the sometimes the road if they have to park on the opposite side of the street to their house..
Over time, these old houses are torn down and replaced with multistory units, which should give owners of EV's access to a charging point.
However, in the meantime, a chunk of potential EV users are just out of luck.
Mick

There are some simple solutions for this problem

1,300 street lights converted to EV chargers in London

Lamp post chargers provide quick, easy solution to increase public EV recharging networks.

www.fleeteurope.com

 

[mullokintyre]

There are some simple solutions for this problem

1,300 street lights converted to EV chargers in London

Lamp post chargers provide quick, easy solution to increase public EV recharging networks.

www.fleeteurope.com

Yes, its a solution, but as I have remarked earlier, there are unseen problems when one tries to scale up.
Bit of a problem if the street lighting is spaced a long way apart.
There would be at least 80 to 100 metres between street lights , and sometimes they are only on one side of the road.
Second, who pays to (a) put the chargers in,
(b) pays for the electricity supply, and how do you bill them.
Mick

 

[Smurf1976]

the institute will get their wish whether the Australian government likes it or not

This is the art of politics.

Propose or promise doing what's going to happen anyway then claim credit for it.

It works so long as the masses don't realise it's going to happen regardless.

EV's or other non-petrol/diesel cars are coming no matter what, international forces are determining that, so there's no point arguing the merits in Australia just as there's no point arguing whether we ought to have anything else that's been invented and seen mass adoption.

Where any issue at that level does exist is with filling in infrastructure blackspots. That is, getting public chargers into towns where market forces alone would struggle to deliver it in a timely manner (the chicken and egg problem).

 

[Smurf1976]

There are some simple solutions for this problem

Like the concept but I'll caution that the capacity of existing infrastructure varies massively from one location to another.

In some sure, EV chargers could be installed quite easily.

In others there's literally nothing to spare and I mean that literally, there's nothing to spare in terms of capacity it was built to the absolute minimum required at the time with no thought that anything would ever be added.

So it varies hugely between locations.

 

[basilio]

Yes, its a solution, but as I have remarked earlier, there are unseen problems when one tries to scale up.
Bit of a problem if the street lighting is spaced a long way apart.
There would be at least 80 to 100 metres between street lights , and sometimes they are only on one side of the road.
Second, who pays to (a) put the chargers in,
(b) pays for the electricity supply, and how do you bill them.
Mick

It's in the article Mull. Nothing is perfect. Some solutions work better than others. But this is an elegant way of using current power and lighting infrastructure in inner city areas to also power electric cars.
Naturally that would be subject to availability of power but that can be upgraded

 

[qldfrog]

Can you imagine the amounts of money made and lost, not even thinking about the ecological cost of this crazy narrative.what a waste
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-87-billion-electric-car-210000336.html
Just say EV and money falls from the sky and factories building zip start popping up etc.
EVs have a place in society but not as a meme... maybe these EV Non producers are just targetting the virtual world of digital twins.
You will only drive the Evergrande EV in your VR helmet....

 

[sptrawler]

South Australia joining Victoria and NSW, with an E.V distance tax.

Electric car taxes 'inevitable' in Australia as SA joins the charge

Buyers of electric cars in South Australia will soon be charged for every kilometre they drive, after an electric vehicle tax was passed.

www.abc.net.au

From the article:

Key points:​

• Plug-in hybrid vehicle owners will be charged an indexed fee of 2 cents per kilometre
• Owners of any other electric vehicles will be charged an indexed fee of 2.5 cents per kilometre
• The new tax will come into effect in July 2027, or when electric vehicles make up 30 per cent of the market, whichever is earliest

 

[qldfrog]

South Australia joining Victoria and NSW, with an E.V distance tax.

Electric car taxes 'inevitable' in Australia as SA joins the charge

Buyers of electric cars in South Australia will soon be charged for every kilometre they drive, after an electric vehicle tax was passed.

www.abc.net.au

From the article:

Key points:​

• Plug-in hybrid vehicle owners will be charged an indexed fee of 2 cents per kilometre
• Owners of any other electric vehicles will be charged an indexed fee of 2.5 cents per kilometre
• The new tax will come into effect in July 2027, or when electric vehicles make up 30 per cent of the market, whichever is earliest

So obviously mandatory tracking, and illegal to hide any mvt.
Ahh the Reset..and thanks to covid scam , no one cares about privacy , freedom anymore, herds of cattles led to the slaughter house

 

[sptrawler]

Not exactly an electric car, but I have just picked up my latest electric scooter, an EMove cruiser.

 

[sptrawler]

Well the party on cheaper E.V's may well over, apparently the cost of raw materials is starting to bite.

Inexorable decline of EV battery prices coming to an end – report

EV battery costs were approaching parity with gas-powered cars, but Benchmark believes decline may be at an end as lithium prices surge 313% in a year and cobalt, nickel prices jump.

www.mining.com

From the article:
In a new note, Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, a price reporting agency and battery supply chain researcher based in London, says battery producers have begun to increase lithium ion cell prices as anode, cathode and other raw material input prices continue to rise.

Nickel sulphate prices are up 34% and cobalt hydroxide nearly 82% over the past year but the biggest culprit is lithium with the price of Benchmark’s lithium carbonate for use in batteries (ex-works China) surging by 313% since this time last year, reaching RMB185,000 per tonne ($28,675 a tonne) in mid-October.

From nearly $300 per kWh in 2014, prices for lithium ion batteries with nickel-cobalt-manganese (NCM) chemistries, have declined to close to $100 per kWH this year. $100/kWh is considered a pivotal figure as battery-powered vehicles reach parity with gasoline-powered cars, but Benchmark expects this trend to reverse:

“Battery makers appear set to pass on lithium price increases to the automotive OEMs and other downstream customers which could have a major impact on electric vehicles coming to market between 2022 and 2024.”

 

[sptrawler]

The Rivian electric ute, takes on "Hells Gate" in the moab desert, shows what electric motor torque and control can do.
The Moab desert is a big off road destination for the 4X4 fraternity



A Kia Sorrento going up the same track, a lot more speed required and off road tyres.



And this shows, it doesn't matter how good the equipment is, if the driver is hopeless.

 

[qldfrog]

hum comparing to a KIA sorento?? why not an Austin mini
but no doubt there is torque

 

[sptrawler]

hum comparing to a KIA sorento?? why not an Austin mini
but no doubt there is torque

You can only post the choices available.

I've done a lot of 4X4 driving, but I have never gone somewhere just to see if I can damage my car, if an obstacle presented itself while on the trip I tackled it.
But to go out to find a difficult obstacle, just to see if you can do it with damaging the vehicle, isn't my bag.
It is a bit like going up in a perfectly good aeroplane, then jumping out with a parachute, just to see if it will open, again not my bag.
Or free climbing up a sheer rock face 1,000 feet high, just to get there and get in the car you left in the carpark, I mean what is the best and worst outcome?

 

[Value Collector]

Where one of my sons live in the dark recesses of locked down Melbourne, the majority of the old single fronted narrow houses in the area have no driveway access, so many of the locals need to park on the street. (and have a permit to dod so).
For those people, charging an EV is going to be a tad difficult, unless they can somehow run a power lead from the house across the footpath and the sometimes the road if they have to park on the opposite side of the street to their house..
Over time, these old houses are torn down and replaced with multistory units, which should give owners of EV's access to a charging point.
However, in the meantime, a chunk of potential EV users are just out of luck.
Mick

This company can install chargers on pre existing street lights, but your son can just charge once a week outside his home at a charging station like he would have to do with petrol cars.

But there is electricity every where in our modern world, this company in the UK is installing chargers on pre exisiting street lights.

 

[qldfrog]

You can only post the choices available.

I've done a lot of 4X4 driving, but I have never gone somewhere just to see if I can damage my car, if an obstacle presented itself while on the trip I tackled it.
But to go out to find a difficult obstacle, just to see if you can do it with damaging the vehicle, isn't my bag.
It is a bit like going up in a perfectly good aeroplane, then jumping out with a parachute, just to see if it will open, again not my bag.
Or free climbing up a sheer rock face 1,000 feet high, just to get there and get in the car you left in the carpark, I mean what is the best and worst outcome?

Yes i do a lot of 4wd, but for safety on unsealed roads or on the farm tracks,to cross the creeks or climb the hills in paddocks ,never as a challenge.
I would NOT bring a kia sorrento to drive thru my farm ..nor an austin?

 

[sptrawler]

Looks like some Australian companies are trying to get in front of the curve, good on them a great example of how it can be done.

How rainwater is fuelling this fleet of green hydrogen coaches

A regional transport service in central Queensland has opted to switch its fleet of diesel-powered buses to hydrogen fuel cell electric ones in a move it says is an Australian-first for a private company.

www.abc.net.au

 

[basilio]

Lucid Air has delivered its first electric cars.

The reviews say it is a stunning performance in terms of design and power. Shares have jumped 60% in the past week.
Impressive.

2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: Brilliance Out of Nowhere

A clean-sheet design with critical components built in-house results in an impressive debut effort.

www.caranddriver.com