Electric cars?

[mullokintyre]

Elon has said that they will be standard power points, they have said the purpose is that you can run your equipment from the truck rather than run a generator.

110 Volt in the USA and 220-240 else where.

Well I guess that means they must be installing Inverters into the vehicles. Do you know if they are made by tesla, or do they source them externally.
From memory, one of the issues with inverter/generators and indeed some cheaper inverters is that they don't produce a pure sine wave.
This doesn't master for most applications, such as tools, lights, etc, but some more sensitive high end appliances do not like a modified sine wave.
I found this out when we were away two years ago in the van and the 12 volt lead nor the TV broke when the wife wanted to watch something important. (The batchelorette or something like that).. Not to be deterred, I switched on the inverter and connected the TV to the inverter 240 Volt output. TV did not like it much, there were horizontal or vertical lines flickering through the screen. She was forced to read a book.
Have never used the inverter since as we had no need.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

with wireless electricity currently under research
maybe we can even charge it while we are waiting for the red light?

That from post number # 20 on page 1 of this thread in 2011.
Now look at the latest news.

2022 Genesis GV60 to launch with world-first wireless charging system – report

Unwieldy electric vehicle cables could soon be a thing of the past.

www.drive.com.au

From the article:
The upcoming 2022 Genesis GV60 will be compatible with wireless charging infrastructure when it launches next year, according to a new report from Green Car Reports.
It is believed the groundbreaking technology – which allows the electric SUV's lithium-ion battery pack to be automatically topped up when parked over a magnetised plate – was designed and developed by US-based start-up WiTricity.
The company has previously collaborated with Hyundai, the parent company of Genesis and Kia, on a 2018 concept. It claims its products are capable of charging at rates of up to 11kW entirely through induction.

A spokesperson for Genesis in Australia was unable to comment on the local implications of the report when approached by Drive, however it’s likely wireless charging capabilities will initially be exclusive to the Korean market.
A wider international roll-out – including in Australia – is expected at a later date. It is currently unclear if the system will be deployed in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6, both of which are underpinned by the same E-GMP platform as the Genesis SUV.
Wireless vehicle charging is not a new concept, however the technology is yet to be offered from the factory in a mass-produced car – BMW and Daimler (parent company of Mercedes-Benz) have been trialling no-contact systems since at least 2017, while representatives for Tesla have also previously discussed the development of a similar project.

 

[Value Collector]

Well I guess that means they must be installing Inverters into the vehicles. Do you know if they are made by tesla, or do they source them externally.
From memory, one of the issues with inverter/generators and indeed some cheaper inverters is that they don't produce a pure sine wave.
This doesn't master for most applications, such as tools, lights, etc, but some more sensitive high end appliances do not like a modified sine wave.
I found this out when we were away two years ago in the van and the 12 volt lead nor the TV broke when the wife wanted to watch something important. (The batchelorette or something like that).. Not to be deterred, I switched on the inverter and connected the TV to the inverter 240 Volt output. TV did not like it much, there were horizontal or vertical lines flickering through the screen. She was forced to read a book.
Have never used the inverter since as we had no need.
Mick

I am unsure whether they are made in house or not.

But Tesla already has the power wall product, that uses a battery to power your house, so that would be the same technology as would be required to run the power sockets in the Cyber truck.

Also, Tesla’s Solar panels no longer need an external inverter if you are also using a power wall, the power wall takes the DC from the solar panels and chargers the batteries directly, and it’s built in inverter converts the DC from the battery/panels into Ac for use in the house or export.

I would not worry about Tesla, they know what they are doing with this stuff, at this stage I would say it’s like breathing for them.

 

[qldfrog]

That from post number # 20 on page 1 of this thread in 2011.
Now look at the latest news.

2022 Genesis GV60 to launch with world-first wireless charging system – report

Unwieldy electric vehicle cables could soon be a thing of the past.

www.drive.com.au

From the article:
The upcoming 2022 Genesis GV60 will be compatible with wireless charging infrastructure when it launches next year, according to a new report from Green Car Reports.
It is believed the groundbreaking technology – which allows the electric SUV's lithium-ion battery pack to be automatically topped up when parked over a magnetised plate – was designed and developed by US-based start-up WiTricity.
The company has previously collaborated with Hyundai, the parent company of Genesis and Kia, on a 2018 concept. It claims its products are capable of charging at rates of up to 11kW entirely through induction.

A spokesperson for Genesis in Australia was unable to comment on the local implications of the report when approached by Drive, however it’s likely wireless charging capabilities will initially be exclusive to the Korean market.
A wider international roll-out – including in Australia – is expected at a later date. It is currently unclear if the system will be deployed in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6, both of which are underpinned by the same E-GMP platform as the Genesis SUV.
Wireless vehicle charging is not a new concept, however the technology is yet to be offered from the factory in a mass-produced car – BMW and Daimler (parent company of Mercedes-Benz) have been trialling no-contact systems since at least 2017, while representatives for Tesla have also previously discussed the development of a similar project.

you do not want a person wearing a pace maker, or even a smartphone walking past that area

 

[divs4ever]

you do not want a person wearing a pace maker, or even a smartphone walking past that area

an interesting question , indeed

i remember a discussion over a decade ago about pacemakers and Wi-Fi ( back when 3G was new ) and the potential mishaps weren't where you expected , now smart-phones that may not be a serious ( but MIGHT be costly ) problem

 

[sptrawler]

you do not want a person wearing a pace maker, or even a smartphone walking past that area

Yes, I was wondering how an expensive watch would go, I'm into watches. The balance springs don't like strong magnetic fields, unless it's an Omega co axial, they use a silicon balance spring.

 

[Value Collector]

Yes, I was wondering how an expensive watch would go, I'm into watches. The mainsprings don't like strong magnetic fields, unless it's an Omega co axial, they use a silicon mainspring.

The magnet would just be used to align the “charging pad” with the part of the car that accepts the charge wouldn’t it? So it wouldn’t be a massive magnetic field.

 

[divs4ever]

haven't worn a watch in years , one of the few uses i have for the smugphone when i take with me ( and NO the smugphone isn't welded to my hand or pocket , so often it stays home )

but as (electro) magnetic fields get strong more things will be affected

 

[sptrawler]

The magnet would just be used to align the “charging pad” with the part of the car that accepts the charge wouldn’t it? So it wouldn’t be a massive magnetic field.

I,ve never looked into it, but i would imagine it is an inductive power transfer, so there could well be a magnetic field present. At 7KW power transfer, it would be a strong magnetic field, whether it is shielded or not I don't know. But I wouldn't be wearing a Rolex, while sitting in a car being charged.

Just looked it up:
Wireless battery charging uses an inductive or magnetic field between two objects which are typically coils to transfer the energy from one to another. The energy is transferred from the energy source to the receiver where it is typically used to charge the battery in the device.
Here is the wiki of it.

Inductive charging - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[divs4ever]

The magnet would just be used to align the “charging pad” with the part of the car that accepts the charge wouldn’t it? So it wouldn’t be a massive magnetic field.

describe 'massive' for a delicate instrument ( or electronic device )

most electronic devices have a shielding mechanism but that shielding only covers conceivable ranges ( when the device was made )( apart from nuclear blasts )

 

[divs4ever]

I,ve never looked into it, but i would imagine it is an inductive power transfer, so there could well be a magnetic field present.

Just looked it up:
Wireless battery charging uses an inductive or magnetic field between two objects which are typically coils to transfer the energy from one to another. The energy is transferred from the energy source to the receiver where it is typically used to charge the battery in the device.
Here is the wiki of it.

Inductive charging - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

yes but some will 'leak' to any susceptible device ( like a fine watch ) now will it be a device killer or just alter the accuracy is a different question , if you wanted to be totally paranoid you might wonder about the extra cancer risks as well ( it MIGHT be tiny but there are plenty of big C risks in our current lifestyle , and one thousand tiny risks could be a life-changer )

 

[Value Collector]

describe 'massive' for a delicate instrument ( or electronic device )

most electronic devices have a shielding mechanism but that shielding only covers conceivable ranges ( when the device was made )( apart from nuclear blasts )

What I was talking about was the magnets used to align the charging pad and the receiver, It wouldn't have to be a big magnet for example the latest iPhones wireless charger uses a magnet to align the two parts.

Check out the below video at the 2.40min mark to see what I mean, thats the kind of thing I thought you guys were worried about, I thought you meant the magnets used to align the charger would be strong enough to mess with your watches.

I am not sure how bit any magnetic field would be from the actual charger, But remember this would be a slow home charger, you probably aren't going to be sitting in the car, and if you were you would have several layers of metal from the battery shielding you

 

[Smurf1976]

To the extent there's any concern about magnetic fields and human health, I'd assume plenty of research would already have been conducted in the context of aluminium smelting.

A truly huge current generates a very strong magnetic field from the potlines (it's enough that it messes with ordinary vehicles if driven inside, sets of all sorts of alarms and lights the dashboard up basically, and will erase magnetic media of any kind). If that was killing the workers well there's enough smelters in the world that there'd be a decent amount of research into it I'd expect.

So far as I'm aware though, in practice it's chemical hazards that are a bigger concern for smelter employees than magnetism.

 

[divs4ever]

To the extent there's any concern about magnetic fields and human health, I'd assume plenty of research would already have been conducted in the context of aluminium smelting.

A truly huge current generates a very strong magnetic field from the potlines (it's enough that it messes with ordinary vehicles if driven inside, sets of all sorts of alarms and lights the dashboard up basically, and will erase magnetic media of any kind). If that was killing the workers well there's enough smelters in the world that there'd be a decent amount of research into it I'd expect.

So far as I'm aware though, in practice it's chemical hazards that are a bigger concern for smelter employees than magnetism.

you would be amazed at what are 'work-place hazards ' NOW ... asbestos . particles from marble bench-tops , radiation from cathode-ray computer screens , mould spores , etc etc etc.

now sure and aluminum smelting are especially dangerous ( not that anything that deals with molten metal is remotely safe ) , i would imagine just the constant heat exposure would be dangerous ( big strain on the kidneys for one ) so if the worker's kidneys play up first , how would we spot any magnetic field damage on workers already crippled and sick

probably a better guideline would be workers on power transmission lines

and research tends to be very patchy , and outcome focused ( whereas genuine research should be looking for an answer to the unknown , not confirming an idea )

i would LOVE to see more genuine research in several areas

 

[qldfrog]

you would be amazed at what are 'work-place hazards ' NOW ... asbestos . particles from marble bench-tops , radiation from cathode-ray computer screens , mould spores , etc etc etc.

now sure and aluminum smelting are especially dangerous ( not that anything that deals with molten metal is remotely safe ) , i would imagine just the constant heat exposure would be dangerous ( big strain on the kidneys for one ) so if the worker's kidneys play up first , how would we spot any magnetic field damage on workers already crippled and sick

probably a better guideline would be workers on power transmission lines

and research tends to be very patchy , and outcome focused ( whereas genuine research should be looking for an answer to the unknown , not confirming an idea )

i would LOVE to see more genuine research in several areas

To recharge your batteries wirelessly you have an electrically generated magnetic field, true but more exactly a variation of basically a transformer with air between the 2 coils
Any coil or wire: think even electrical motor, or just a wire circuit under the type of power required to charge a car will become a power source, it will burn , heat and grill all electronics.
You can shield some components with Faraday cage principals: basically a conductive envelope of some sort but here, with the power required by car batteries, we need very strong electo magnetic fields..so i genuinely suspect that would grill all electronics.actually wonder about the car itself..but then the energy "goes" into the battery so probably ok.
On the other hand your snartphone with wireless charger ability will do "pop"?..or your heart?

 

[mullokintyre]

Don't forget we as humans spend all our lives within a very large magnetic field that is around earth.
I would expect that evolution has assisted all living things to be able to survive in a magnetic field that changes hourly, dail, yearly, and in the long term, flips its poles north to south.
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

Ford has increased increased production targets for its F150 Lightning for the second time.
From Rueters

DETROIT, Aug 23 (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co(F.N) has doubled its production target for the F-150 Lightning because of strong early demand for the full-sized electric pickup truck ahead of its 2022 launch, and the company plans to spend an additional $850 million to meet that target, several people and suppliers familiar with the plans said.

The No. 2 U.S. automaker is targeting annual production of more than 80,000 in 2024, up from its prior target of more than 40,000, according to the sources, who asked not to be identified. Shares of Ford rose 1.3% on Monday.

"They were pleasantly surprised by the demand for the Lightning," one of the sources said of Ford officials.

Industry observers have questioned whether individual buyers will give up their gas-powered pickups for electric models, but commercial customers are pushing for electric trucks and vans to reduce their carbon footprints.


The ramp to the new production target includes plans to build about 15,000 next year after the electric truck's spring launch and 55,000 in 2023, a second source said. Following the launch of the second generation Lightning in late 2025, the annual target is just shy of 160,000.

The increase is on top of the 50% boost Ford outlined last November, the sources said.
"We are excited with customer demand for the F-150 Lightning and already have 120,000 customer reservations, and we will continue to look for ways to break constraints and meet customer demand," Ford said in a statement. The company declined to comment further.

Still Vaporware like Tesla Cybertruck, but I would have a little more faith in Fords ability to get the trucks out ahead of Tesla.
mick

 

[Value Collector]

Ford has increased increased production targets for its F150 Lightning for the second time.
From Rueters

Still Vaporware like Tesla Cybertruck, but I would have a little more faith in Fords ability to get the trucks out ahead of Tesla.
mick

As I said before, it doesn’t really matter whether Ford of Tesla get their truck out first, I hope Ford does well.

Tesla is running its own race, building a factory from scratch, to produce a new design from scratch.

The cyber truck (and Tesla’s in general) is such a different product to anything Ford could offer, it’s not like the 400,000 people that have paid deposits for the cyber truck are going to buy a Ford instead.

 

[sptrawler]

Dodge, to introduce E.V's

Electric Dodge muscle car concept to debut in 2022 – report

The fuel-guzzling big-bore brand is on its way to ditching petrol engines for good.

www.drive.com.au

From the article:
As previously reported by Drive, the next-generation vehicle could be powered by dual 330kW electric motors, permitting a 0-100km/h sprint time as low as 2.0 seconds – if accurate, this would make it one of the quickest production cars ever sold.

Can't wait to take my 90 year old mum, for a spin in that. ?

 

[qldfrog]

Dodge, to introduce E.V's

Electric Dodge muscle car concept to debut in 2022 – report

The fuel-guzzling big-bore brand is on its way to ditching petrol engines for good.

www.drive.com.au

From the article:
As previously reported by Drive, the next-generation vehicle could be powered by dual 330kW electric motors, permitting a 0-100km/h sprint time as low as 2.0 seconds – if accurate, this would make it one of the quickest production cars ever sold.

Can't wait to take my 90 year old mum, for a spin in that. ?

yo might be 90 yourself by the time you can afford one in australia.
We will go to the tracks riding our bicycle together, freezing in the queensland icy drizzle but happy that CO2 levels are just 1/100th lower of what they would have been if we commoners were still flying and driving cars, and tell stories to our grand children of faraway lands of New Zealand and Bali