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That's exactly the scenario I've been concerned about right from the start.more than 60 per cent of participants prior to the trial had been plugging their car batteries into standard sockets in their garages, usually during the evenings.
Which is what we have been saying, if the governments incentivises the purchase of BEV's, before we have the infrastructure and charging systems worked out it will be absolute madness IMO.That's exactly the scenario I've been concerned about right from the start.
EV's, if people just do what they naturally would and put it on charge when they get home, will break the grid that's a given.
The same EV charged smartly isn't a problem at all so there's a need to get this right, and get it right from the start, not wait until there's a crisis.
That is the post in March, I was looking for.Wont be long before you will be able to sell some of your BEV capacity to the grid.
From the article:AGL seals tech deal with Britain’s OVO as energy shake-up looms
The new partnership, which will adapt OVO’s tech platform for the Australian market, comes as AGL prepares to brief shareholders about how it will reshape its business as the rise of renewable energy weighs on power prices.www.smh.com.au
AGL and OVO, which is Britain’s third-largest energy provider, said Australia had one of the world’s highest levels of rooftop solar generation. Kaluza’s software would help address grid challenges by “intelligently shifting” device charging to times of lower demand. It could also present customers with financial incentives to dispatch energy from their batteries and electric cars when needed.
but most EV will need to be charged by night, retirees like me are exception and will not affect the grid as we will use free PV from roof panel, But the average Joe, will arrive home at 6 at the earliest and be gone potentially at 6 or 7,with maybe a run for the kid's soccer or shopping so he will not plug before 8PM or so,at a period with 0 solar input, and less than 10h free for loading, loading taking 6 to 10h or so..not much room at the present so ideally you charge the cars at work or at the parking, in the street...yet good luck for that...That's exactly the scenario I've been concerned about right from the start.
EV's, if people just do what they naturally would and put it on charge when they get home, will break the grid that's a given.
The same EV charged smartly isn't a problem at all so there's a need to get this right, and get it right from the start, not wait until there's a crisis.
the average Joe, will arrive home at 6 at the earliest and be gone potentially at 6 or 7,with maybe a run for the kid's soccer or shopping so he will not plug before 8PM or so,at a period with 0 solar input, and less than 10h free for loading, loading taking 6 to 10h or so..not much room at the present so ideally you charge the cars at work or at the parking, in the street...yet good luck for that...
FWIW there's a big difference between countries there.Technically ok, socially> a failure in waiting if you expect sharing public access power-points..look howeven phone booths were treated 30y ago, at a time where people were much better "behaved"
Fully agree,would be interested to see what happened in France to these.FWIW there's a big difference between countries there.
I've seen a line of EV's parked at night, outside on a street, in France and nobody seemed to be interfering with them. They were all plugged in and this was a public street out in the open with anyone (eg me) walking past.
More extreme, I've seen public mobile phone charging stations overseas located outside in the open with an umbrella like covering and yes they supply the cable. That sort of thing probably wouldn't survive a single day in Australia unfortunately but it didn't seem to be a problem in Qatar when I spotted it. Charging station just sitting there and all the cables for different phones were there with it.
Cultural issues will preclude some options in some places I think yes.
No idea about those but whilst not an EV charger, a phone charger would seem far more vulnerable to vandalism but in some countries at least that doesn't seem to be a problem.Fully agree,would be interested to see what happened in France to these.
So the green paradise: sharia law to allow EV development otherwise the permissive western societies will be unable to maintain required infrastructureNo idea about those but whilst not an EV charger, a phone charger would seem far more vulnerable to vandalism but in some countries at least that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Spotted this one in Qatar (back in the days before the pandemic....) and note the cables, which are far more flimsy than anything used with an EV, just hanging there ready for use.
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Also one of the few places in the country where there's any such thing as a lawn. They don't really do grass there - too hot and dry.
So it seems a real shame if people vandalising etc is going to stop the use of EV chargers in public.
I wouldn't go quite that far.....So the green paradise: sharia law to allow EV development
It’s one of the easiest problems to solve, definitely not a deal breaker for EV’s.That's exactly the scenario I've been concerned about right from the start.
EV's, if people just do what they naturally would and put it on charge when they get home, will break the grid that's a given.
The same EV charged smartly isn't a problem at all so there's a need to get this right, and get it right from the start, not wait until there's a crisis.
The company, called Bell Resources, will install solar panels and a battery at each car wash, and use them to power ultra-fast chargers ranging from 175 to 350 kilowatts.
How can one invest in this type of company that is not on the ASX ?Converting car washes to EV charging stations. Practical and clever.
Ex-Liberal leader in new venture to convert 60 car washes to EV charging stations
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A new company chaired by former NSW Liberal leader Kerry Chikarovski has bought up 60 car washes around Australia, and plans to transform them into ultra-fast electric vehicle charging stations.
The company, called Bell Resources, will install solar panels and a battery at each car wash, and use them to power ultra-fast chargers ranging from 175 to 350 kilowatts.
The company’s chief executive, Mark Avery, told The Driven the chargers would eventually be able to charge EVs to 80 per cent in well under 10 minutes.
He said initially the plan would be to install around 100 kW of solar capacity at each site, but as demand grew, more capacity would be added by leasing space on neigbouring buildings, and other places. The batteries, built by Swedish firm ABB, would start at around 200kWh with the potential to increase in 100kWh blocks as demand grew, he said.
Avery said the car washes were mostly small operators, but would be brought under the uniform “Bell Hub” branding, and upgraded to resemble petrol stations, complete with “barista coffee” facilities and boards out the front advertising the going rate by the kilowatt.
The self-serve car wash facilities – which he said were often highly profitable – would remain there, though customers would not be able to charge and wash their car simultaneously.
Avery said the batteries would allow the company to set dynamic pricing, meaning at certain times – when the battery is well charged but demand is low – the cost per kilowatt could fall as low as 10 cents.
Ex-Liberal leader in new venture to convert 60 car washes to EV charging stations
Sixty car washes around Australia are going to be turned into ultra-fast EV charging stations, with onsite batteries and solar panels.thedriven.io
How can one invest in this type of company that is not on the ASX ?
Agreed it’s easily solved.It’s one of the easiest problems to solve, definitely not a deal breaker for EV’s.
The easiest way to get consumers to charge when you want them to charge is to offer them a plan with pricing that incentivise them to charge during off peak times.Agreed it’s easily solved.
The concern I have, and which is also becoming a concern of energy companies, is about it actually being done since research suggests that to very considerable extent it isn’t in practice.
I’ve used the analogy of rubbish bins in explaining it to others.
Dead simple as a concept and absolutely proven technology but despite that in practice litter is still a problem.
Something being possible is one thing, getting people to actually do it isn’t always so straightforward and that’s the concern - not just of me but of some rather big companies as well who’ve noticed the gap between possible and actual.
That’s a marketing and consumer behaviour problem rather than a technical one so far as solutions are concerned.
Simply adjusting power prices appropriately for peak vs off peak (or even three tiers) will make people self smart-charge.That's exactly the scenario I've been concerned about right from the start.
EV's, if people just do what they naturally would and put it on charge when they get home, will break the grid that's a given.
The same EV charged smartly isn't a problem at all so there's a need to get this right, and get it right from the start, not wait until there's a crisis.
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